He-177A-5/R2 in game (later in the year)

[SOLIDKREATE]

Specifications (He 177 A-5/R2)

 

Data from Griehl and Dressel 1998, pp. 223, 229.

 

 

General characteristics

 

Crew: 6
Length: 22 m (72 ft 2 in)
Wingspan: 31.44 m (103 ft 1¾ in)
Height: 6.67 m (21 ft 10 in)
Wing area: 100.00 m² (1,076.40 ft²)
Empty weight: 16,800 kg (37,038 lb)
Loaded weight: 32,000 kg (70,548 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Daimler-Benz DB 610 24-cylinder liquid-cooled piston engines, 2,900 PS (2,133 kW) each

 

Performance
Maximum speed: 565 km/h (351 mph) at 6,000 (19,685 ft)
Stall speed: 135 km/h (84 mph)
Combat radius: 1,540 km (957 mi)
Ferry range: 5,600 km(3,480 mi)
Service ceiling: 8,000 m (26,246 ft)
Rate of climb: 190 m/min (623 ft/min)
Wing loading: 303.9 kg/m² (62.247 lb/ft²)

Armament

 

Guns:

**1 × 7.92 mm MG 81 machine gun in "fishbowl" nose glazing 1 × 20 mm MG 151 cannon in forward ventral Bola gondola position
1 × 13 mm MG 131 machine gun in rear ventral Bola gondola position
2 × 13 mm MG 131 machine guns in FDL 131Z remotely operated forward dorsal turret, full 360° traverse
1 × 13 mm MG 131 machine gun in manned Hydraulische Drehlafette HDL 131I aft dorsal turret
1 × 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon in tail position

 

Bombs:

Up to 6,000 kg (13,227 lb) of ordnance internally/7,200 kg (15,873 lb) externally or up to 3 Fritz X or Henschel Hs 293 PGMs (w/FuG 203 Kehl MCLOS transmitter installed) 48 × 50 kg (110 lb) bombs (2,400 kg/5,291 lb total)
1 × 2,500 kg (5,511 lb) bomb (2,500 kg/5,511 lb total)
12 × 250 kg (551 lb) bombs (3,000 kg/6,613 lb total)
6 × 500 kg (1,102 lb) bombs (3,000 kg/6,613 lb total)
2 × 1,800 kg (3,968 lb) bombs (3,600 kg/7,936 lb total)
2 × 1,800 kg (3,968 lb) bombs + 2 × LMA III mines (4,600 kg/10,141 lb total)
10 × 500 kg (1,102 lb) bombs (5,000 kg/11,023 lb total)
2 × 1,000 kg (2,204 lb) bombs + 2 × 1,800 kg (3,968 lb) bombs (5,600 kg/12,345 lb total)
6 × 1,000 kg (2,204 lb) bombs (6,000 kg/13,227 lb total)
2 × FX 1400 Fritz X + 1 × FX 1400 Fritz X under the wings and fuselage (w/FuG 203 Kehl MCLOS transmitter installed)
2 × Hs 293 or 294 + 1 × Hs 293 or 294 under the wings and fuselage (w/FuG 203 Kehl MCLOS transmitter installed)
2 × 500 kg (1,102 lb) bombs internally + 2 × Hs 293 under the wings (w/FuG 203 Kehl MCLOS transmitter installed)
2 × LT 50 torpedoes under the wing

 

 

Here are some example below.

 

 

Edited November 19, 2013 by Erg./JG54_SPEKTRE

[Lord_Haw-Haw]

All for this aircraft, although looking at the poll, there is someone who prefers fighters only......hope that stays a minority!

[Sternjaeger]

I suppose there are other aircraft that would need to be implemented before the Grief? I'm not against it mind you, it's just not the first aircraft that springs to mind when you think of new planes to implement..

Edited November 19, 2013 by Sternjaeger

[Furio]

I suppose there are other aircraft that would need to be implemented before the Grief? I'm not against it mind you, it's just not the first aircraft that springs to mind when you think of new planes to implement..

 

My opinion is exactly the same. As good as it looks on paper (and in pictures), the Greif had an undistinguished career, coming in service when Luftwaffe didn't need bombers anymore.

[Lord_Haw-Haw]

I suppose there are other aircraft that would need to be implemented before the Grief? I'm not against it mind you, it's just not the first aircraft that springs to mind when you think of new planes to implement..

Agree with that, the 177 is welcome at a later period, but before hand there are many aircraft that played a major role before the He 177 made its appearance that should take

priority.

[LLv44_Mprhead]

It would be really nice to have this at some point. Before that there is quite a few others that I at least think as more important planes, both fighters and bombers.

[Bf-110]

Well,the Greif is kinda notorious,so,yes.BTW,I wonder how LW bombers were used during the late war.

[Feathered_IV]

Very interesting aircraft, but a daft choice for BoS I'd say.

[Cybermat47]

Yes, but after the Ju-52.

[Matt]

These "do you want the [insert single plane] in BoS" polls don't really help.

 

I think there should be official polls about this including all sorts of planes (prferably grouped into bombers, ground-attack, fighters, transport, recon etc.), so that the devs can set priorities on which planes to add next. That's pretty much impossible with a simple yes/no vote.

 

They also stated previously, that they don't plan to add many single planes (like in RoF for instance), but they try to focus on expansion sets with a buch of planes included in that. So having a poll about the next package would make the most sense imho.

 

Yes, of course i would like to see the 177 in BoS or any of the expansions. After a dozen of other planes (including both German and Russian planes btw, and no, not just fighters and i would prefer if the next "package" would have a higher non-fighter ratio than BoS will have).

Edited November 22, 2013 by Matt

[SOLIDKREATE]

I see your point Matt but I think the polls do help. The DEV's see these and now they know what we desire. Maybe they will do it or not budget depending. I think if this bomber did come out it would most likely be around $20.00 USD because of all of its weaponry combinations it can carry.

[BeastyBaiter]

Voted no but not because I'm opposed to adding it at some point. I simply think that for the next year or two, there are more important planes to add. Surely you can admit it would be downright weird to have an oddity like the He-177 and not have a mainstay like the Ju-88?

[Lord_Haw-Haw]

Voted no but not because I'm opposed to adding it at some point. I simply think that for the next year or two, there are more important planes to add. Surely you can admit it would be downright weird to have an oddity like the He-177 and not have a mainstay like the Ju-88?

You are aware that with other aircraft the He 177 was used as a transport to Stalingrad?

Although I too am all for the Ju 88, but having dealt with flight sims, from the earliest to now, it is always so that you have

a ratio of one bomber to about five or six fighters. And even though the masses of fighters might give the impression everyone

is for fighters, there are plenty who don´t give a care for those aircraft, but would be over happy for every multi engined aircraft

added, even though in every sim they are told, their favorite aircraft take up too much resources and that for every bomber you could have

three fighters. Maybe so you can understand the strong feelings for these large aircraft?

[Matt]

I see your point Matt but I think the polls do help. The DEV's see these and now they know what we desire.

I think the contrary is true. As you can see, there are even people here who voted no for the He-177, because they would like to see other bombers added before that. Yet this yes/no result could actually lead to the idea that bombers in general are not popular.

 

Anyway, fortunately we'll already have the most popular/common fighters available, so there is lots of room for other types of planes. I wouldn't mind if the next 10 planes added after BoS would be bombers, transport, ground-attack etc. and since they plan to focus on expansions, selling these planes shouldn't be as much of a problem as releasing them one at a time.

[Kurfurst]

I would love to see it even if the He 177s role at Stalingrad was marginal at best... maybe as a paid addon. Its such a pity that in all flight sims, you always see just the early war He 111H-6 or Ju 88A-4, but never the interesting mid war types like the He 177, Ju 188 or Me 410..

[Lord_Haw-Haw]

I would love to see it even if the He 177s role at Stalingrad was marginal at best... maybe as a paid addon. Its such a pity that in all flight sims, you always see just the early war He 111H-6 or Ju 88A-4, but never the interesting mid war types like the He 177, Ju 188 or Me 410..

+1

[Meteor2]

+1

+ 1 !

[SOLIDKREATE]

+ 1 !

 

+1

[Flyingpencil]

There is a long list of other aircraft that need to be done first, but eventually yes.

[PolackInAPlane]

I love that aircraft. Now to get a Me-323 in teh game

[==LD==Lemsko]

[Finkeren]

It's a "No" from me, at loeast for now. It's far too obscure. BoS should focus on the aircraft that were available in large numbers as a first priority. Secondary will come aircraft which were fairly rare but filled a role, that can not be adequately filled by other, more common aircraft (such as the Hs 129). 

[AndyJWest]

Would I like to see a He 177 in BoS? Certainly. Do I think it is a priority? No. The Ju 88 is the obvious choice for the next Luftwaffe bomber, and I'd suggest the Do 217 would probably be the logical follow up if the intention is to expand BoS beyond Stalingrad. I think it is important to model aircraft that played a more significant role first.

[Zettman]

 

Powerplant: 2 × Daimler-Benz DB 610 24-cylinder liquid-cooled piston engines, 2,900 PS (2,133 kW) each

 

 

S!

 

I would love to see the He 177 implemented. But are you sure it had only two engines? I always thought it was one of the few 4 engined bombers the Luftwaffe had (even if it only had 2 propellers).

 

Zettman

[==LD==Lemsko]

2 engines fitted together with 1 gearbox for 1 propeller, so technically a 4 engined bomber.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Is it possible in future? Yes it is, why not. I f the devs have the ressources or attempt to include some 3rd party work like with Ilya Morumets (only with Lemskos stunningly detailed model instead ) they might even save some good work while making profit of it being a purchaseable addon aircraft.

 

Does it practically fit into BoS? Well, I fear not. Despite it's real demands for being a multipurpose aircraft, including a tank buster and even dive bomber, Heinkel knew for sure this was to be only a strategic bomber.

 

The current envirounemt doesn't really support the though about strategic, long range bombers due to lack of flight space and proper targets apart from solem supply dumps. One can even argue medium bombers like the e 111 don't even really work out the way they should be.

 

So would I like to have a flyable Heinkel? Yes, if there's a proper envirounment with realistic bombing scenarios for it there's no doubt it'd be a joy. As it currently stands I have my interest but realisticly can't see the need for it.

[Lusekofte]

I am divided, I think a flyable JU-52 and C-47 transports , P-39, HS-129 , HS- 123, SU-2, TU-2, IL-4, DB-3, P-40, Storch, FW-189, JU-88G6 and ME-210/410 are better suited for this concept 

 

 

PS : And read my signature

Edited December 8, 2014 by LuseKofte

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[LLv26_Junnu]

I would love to see it even if the He 177s role at Stalingrad was marginal at best... maybe as a paid addon. Its such a pity that in all flight sims, you always see just the early war He 111H-6 or Ju 88A-4, but never the interesting mid war types like the He 177, Ju 188 or Me 410..

Exactly.

[BlitzPig_EL]

I am divided, I think a flyable JU-52 and C-47 transports , P-39, HS-129 , HS- 123, SU-2, TU-2, IL-4, DB-3, P-40, Storch, FW-189, JU-88G6 and ME-210/410 are better suited for this concept 

 

 

PS : And read my signature

 

I have to agree with this.

 

There are far more important, useful, and easier to model aircraft that should have a higher priority.

[SOLIDKREATE]

I really hope all those planes you listed come to this SIM. I wish they would allow third party 3D models that conform to their standards. Th Bf-110G-2 has a formidable armament package. But I don't think we'll see this model.

• 4 x WgFr 210mm Mortars
• 37mm flak gunpod
• MG151/20 20mm dual gunpod 400rpg
• It can also change its main battery from 2 x 20mm 350rpg + 4 x 7.7mm 1000rpg to 2 x 30mm 60rpg? + 4 x 7.7mm in the nose.

 

Major Heinz-Wolfgang Schnaufer, flew it exclusively, and claimed 121 victories in 164 combat missions.

 

ALTHOUGH I think only the Bf-110D served in limited use on the front by ZG1(ZG26 later) and SKG210. I believe the Bf-110C-7 served as well.

 

SKG210 1942

 

 

5./ZG1 1942

 

 

4./ZG1 1942

 

Edited January 4, 2015 by SPEKTRE76