Venturi Posted April 17, 2016 Posted April 17, 2016 Axis has nothing to do with the way this game treats the stab. I can "game" the stab just as well with buttons on the 190 as the axis on the 109. When will people learn. I have no idea IF the stab should react like this, but the fact is it does in this game. Try it out. Go in a 700 kmh dive and try pulling the stick, then press and hold up trim. Hold on to your socks cause your climb straight up, and probably black out from Gs. Yes, the problem is the rate of change, not the fact that trim can do this. Although the real plane and the real pilots did use the stab trim to get out of fast dives and compressibility, the real plane had a very slow trim wheel. A pilot would be hard pressed to move the trim the way it needed to be to get reversal in 10 seconds, let alone the mere 1 second it takes to totally reverse the trim in game. This slow rate of change is modeled correctly in another previous version of Il-2 which feature British and German fighters. It is simply a matter of modelling it correctly by limiting the rate of change.
216th_Lucas_From_Hell Posted April 17, 2016 Posted April 17, 2016 (edited) I gave the Fw-190 a couple of tries on QM but there's not much I can say that's useful - I don't have experience with it. Flying clean with the ball centred even at continuous power kept my speed pretty high, and while continuous or high AoA horizontal turning was clumsy, vertical manoeuvrability was joyful. I could make one pass on the target, pour lead into it, climb straight up and use combat power while they struggled to catch up then come down at the enemy again. A rational approach to fighting was successful. Considerations: it didn't like going too slow, but it was also hard to go slow in it. Theoretically, a contemporary Soviet fighter could match it with ease on a head-to-head meeting with the same altitude and speed. The catch, however: the Fw-190 can fly at much higher cruise speeds at cruise settings, so it is likely that the Soviet pilot is coming in some 50-100km/h slower and unless the Soviet pilot manages to secure an advantage before the merge it will end up in an unfavourable tactical position since the Fw-190 pilot can quickly climb using its speed reserves and start dictating the fight. You may have some trouble against an La-5 coming in hot since it climbs better and flies at similar speeds, but unlike the Fw-190 it needs a more competent pilot to achieve its full performance. In short, yadayada, get altitude, speed up, aim, shoot. Not very helpful, I know. Edited April 17, 2016 by 55IAP_Lucas_From_Hell
Venturi Posted April 17, 2016 Posted April 17, 2016 I find the 190 to be a wonderful plane and superior in nearly every way except horizontal maneuverability to all the Russian birds. The La-5 might have it beat in very low level straightline speed once the FW exhausts its "emergency power" time quota, but it is close. And at anything higher than 2km, the FW is much faster. The Mig-3 might have it beat in speed at altitudes over 6km, but that's rarely encountered. In any case right now it's probably the second-best fighter in the game - behind every 109. FWIW, IMHO, take $.02 and all that. :D
Crump Posted April 17, 2016 Posted April 17, 2016 the real plane had a very slow trim wheel. Surely you have some measured data to share! It would be interesting to see!
1CGS LukeFF Posted April 17, 2016 1CGS Posted April 17, 2016 Surely you have some measured data to share! It would be interesting to see! I'm sure he'll share it with you after YOU share how YOU fly the 190 in BoS. 1
BlitzPig_EL Posted April 17, 2016 Posted April 17, 2016 Crump doesn't fly simulations, he just pokes his head in to their forums to be the big fish in the little pond. Done this for years.
216th_Lucas_From_Hell Posted April 17, 2016 Posted April 17, 2016 Keep the personal stuff to the PM - Murf's thread is for tactics.
VBF-12_Snake9 Posted April 17, 2016 Posted April 17, 2016 Yes, the problem is the rate of change, not the fact that trim can do this. Although the real plane and the real pilots did use the stab trim to get out of fast dives and compressibility, the real plane had a very slow trim wheel. A pilot would be hard pressed to move the trim the way it needed to be to get reversal in 10 seconds, let alone the mere 1 second it takes to totally reverse the trim in game. This slow rate of change is modeled correctly in another previous version of Il-2 which feature British and German fighters. It is simply a matter of modelling it correctly by limiting the rate of change. Exactly! To answer herr, anyone with any basic software knowledge can program a keystroke (trim ) to activate when stick is pulled more than 40 percent, and release that keystroke when stick is relaxed. Then reverse the process when pushing the stick. Walla. Trim on your stick! No different. Until the devs fix the speed at which this happens, we will have to deal with it. Blaming axis is just not smart.
Wulf Posted April 17, 2016 Posted April 17, 2016 (edited) I find the 190 to be a wonderful plane and superior in nearly every way except horizontal maneuverability to all the Russian birds. The La-5 might have it beat in very low level straightline speed once the FW exhausts its "emergency power" time quota, but it is close. And at anything higher than 2km, the FW is much faster. The Mig-3 might have it beat in speed at altitudes over 6km, but that's rarely encountered. In any case right now it's probably the second-best fighter in the game - behind every 109. FWIW, IMHO, take $.02 and all that. :D So Venturi, you must have fought Manfred by now I'm guessing? And, I assume from your positive endorsement of the 190 that it went very well. Cool, good for you. So do you have a recording of the combats. I'd love to see how it went. Sounds like you must have a few tricks up your sleeve. Edited April 17, 2016 by Wulf
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