For those that can't/will not Taxi, PLEASE USE CAUTION!!!!

[Dakpilot]

Yea, I think a lot of people simply don`t think when they go online or just don`t care.

 

 

Or both 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Rolling_Thunder]

Or both 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

Oh the snobbery! Whine whine why are there so few people playing online? Whine whine why do folk not play the way I want them too? Whine whine our niche is dying!

Have a word with yourselves. Welcome to the internet and more importantly welcome to the human race. Everybody is an individual. We all do things differently and have different definitions of what constitutes fun. If you want a regimented "fun" time open your own server and dictate to your hearts content. If you are not willing to do that you need to accept other folk for what they are, other folk, individuals. The world does not share your passion for doing things by the book. Some folk just want to jump in an aircraft and get into the sky. Let them or move on. Complaining on a forum, especially one that likes to censor is going to give you a false sense of the reality beyond the http:

[Dakpilot]

Some people play driving/racing games online and seem to insist on driving the wrong way round the track, while on a public server it is their right, I do feel that these people don't care and/or don't think

 

Talking about a similar thing in Flight combat sim is not so different and not a form of 'snobbery'

 

re-arrange these words...pill a take chill...did you not see the smiley?

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Rolling_Thunder]

Some people play driving/racing games online and seem to insist on driving the wrong way round the track, while on a public server it is their right, I do feel that these people don't care and/or don't think

 

Talking about a similar thing in Flight combat sim is not so different and not a form of 'snobbery'

 

re-arrange these words...pill a take chill...did you not see the smiley?

 

Cheers Dakpilot

And folk who line up their squadron on the runway while on a public server I do feel are doing exactly the same thing, not caring and or not thinking about the general population of the server. It is of course their right to do so on a public server. To complain that the other guy is spoiling the immersion is snobbery.

[Asgar]

i feel like some War Thunder comment would be appropriate 

[[CPT]Pike*HarryM]

There was a guy on the other night on WoL in a 109, takes off from the spawn area and smashes straight into the windsock pole and explodes. Stronk pole! Wish I had been recording. 

[Rolling_Thunder]

There was a guy on the other night on WoL in a 109, takes off from the spawn area and smashes straight into the windsock pole and explodes. Stronk pole! Wish I had been recording.

 

Exactly, it's funny to watch.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Yesterday we took three LaGG-3s to the runway together and from the first entering the runway to the last starting to roll, the whole thing took 30 seconds.

 

Above all, the thread politely suggests that if you must scram through, look both ways before doing it. Collisions don't help anyone.

[Capt_Stubing]

It's been mentioned before in this thread but for whatever reason the Devs want to make taxing very difficult even with differential braking.  Using 10-20 percent power causing multiple ground loops is silly.  Braking above 5 mph can't stop a plane from ground looping.  I'm not sure why they feel this is realistic modeling.  Hence people get frustrated and hit the throttle once their engine has started.   Also the silly off taxiway and runway terrain is only adding to the frustration. 

[seafireliv]

And folk who line up their squadron on the runway while on a public server I do feel are doing exactly the same thing, not caring and or not thinking about the general population of the server. It is of course their right to do so on a public server. To complain that the other guy is spoiling the immersion is snobbery.

Don`t you think there should be a certain level of etiquette?

 

What you seem to be asking for is chaos. How can a person even play on a server if nobody cares about anything? Come on man, there is such a thing as basic manners, ie, wait for a guy who happens to be in front of you to take off. Or do you just ram head first into anything whenever you takle off?

 

I find that hard to believe. I have seen plenty of manners from people online in free open servers. It sounds to me you`re raging against something else, like the `idea` of order.

Edited April 5, 2016 by seafireliv

[Rolling_Thunder]

Does this philosophy only apply for you online?

 

If you were at a public beach, is it acceptable to walk over people's stuff, kick sand-castles over, and push through the queue at the ice-cream booth?

 

I think there's always room to show manners and respect to those around you.

 

Yes runways should not be blocked, but I don't think I've ever had to wait more than 5 minutes ever.

 

I think you miss what squads are about too; they like to engage with each other, as a 'team sport' essentially, and mostly this is all about mutual respect.

 

I think you miss the point of mutual respect.  While folk have no quarrel about how squads play and respect that, you seem to lack the required mutual respect for those folk that do not wish to play the game how you want to play it. While public beaches are governed by the laws of the land and peoples property is protected by those same laws, a public server is not. If one was to open ones own server, with ones own rules and regulations your point would have some value. However we are talking about a public server where there are no rules only the individuals sense of what is important to the individual.

[seafireliv]

I think you miss the point of mutual respect.  While folk have no quarrel about how squads play and respect that, you seem to lack the required mutual respect for those folk that do not wish to play the game how you want to play it. While public beaches are governed by the laws of the land and peoples property is protected by those same laws, a public server is not. If one was to open ones own server, with ones own rules and regulations your point would have some value. However we are talking about a public server where there are no rules only the individuals sense of what is important to the individual.

I think you`re over reacting and need to relax concerning this issue.

[Rolling_Thunder]

Don`t you think there should be a certain level of etiquette?

 

What you seem to be asking for is chaos. How can a person even play on a server if nobody cares about anything? Come on man, there is such a thing as basic manners, ie, wait for a guy who happens to be in front of you to take off. Or do you just ram head first into anything whenever you takle off?

 

I find that hard to believe. I have seen plenty of manners from people online in free open servers. It sounds to me you`re raging against something else, like the `idea` of order.

 

I always show manners when online and have been rammed many times when trying to take off. I did not start frothing at the mouth in an angry tantrum and head straight to the forums to complain. I laughed, yes every time. You see, I play this game to have fun. I accept others play this game to have fun. It's supposed to be entertainment and I get entertained by it. If I worked myself into a froth every time someone chose not to use the runway to take off I would hang up my joystick because the fun would obviously be missing from my participation.

[Rolling_Thunder]

I see. Genuinely interesting. I disagree as pushing in a queue is not against the law, just disrespectful, but of course do realise that people do have their own opinions and that the internet is a pretty daft place to discuss things.

 

Have fun flying however you wish, although I hope not to see you on the same server to avoid either one being displeased!

 

Reading comprehension seems to be an issue with you, maybe English is not your first language. I have no issue with how anybody plays the game. I've made that clear, to most folk, some folk are at a disadvantage of course. If I find myself in the same server as you I will not be displeased. I will be enjoying the game. If however you find yourself displeased that I am in there with you I suggest a different past time as the stress of online gaming may very well lead you to a heart attack in the future. Life is too short to take a game so seriously.

I see these forums have the same defensive mentality that lead me to take a break from them.

If somebody disagrees with you its ok. It's no big deal. I think some folk would do well with a short course of therapy. A defensive personality leads to a lonely life.

[Rolling_Thunder]

Erm ok. What I mean is people lining up on a runway vs those zooming across it. The two opposing attitudes that are at ' conflict' and can lead to antagonism on both sides; I seem to have wrongly assumed you were of the ' cross country take-off' attitude, apologies if that is not the case.

But the point stands: I would rather not have someone broadside me as I roll down a runway and therefore would rather be on a different sever.

As your tone seems to be a little further down the line from the original 'suk it up' we're not going to get to a mutual understanding through civil discussion are we.

Apology accepted.

There is a culture of assuming the worst on the internet. It is quite prevalent here on these forums. I was mearly saying folk should accept how other folk play the game without the antagonism. It is mearly a game, a release from stress. If the game gets stressful the beauty of it is one can put down ones joystick and find something else less stressful.

[wtornado]

All of this would disappear for me if we had lobby with easy co-op access chosing who flew in co-ops with

you.Many were thrown out of my co-ops when they misbehaved.

 

The online dogfight servers were a free for all I never played them.

 

To each their own.

 

An easier FMB would of been nice too.

[Asgar]

enjoy! 

 

 

[6./ZG26_Emil]

Damn the 'I can't wait dweebs' will be triggered!

 

Well guys.....it's 2016 after all

[6./ZG26_Custard]

 

 

enjoy!

 

Triggered by all this airfield activity? Safe spaces are needed!

[Trooper117]

Now, seeing all those 88's lined up just adds to the immersion for me...  I have no problem giving them the time and the space to form up and get airborne, looks good too.

[seafireliv]

Now, seeing all those 88's lined up just adds to the immersion for me...  I have no problem giving them the time and the space to form up and get airborne, looks good too.

Agreed. Love stuff like that and am always impressed to find bomber pilot players with the patience to set up like that - I tell you it isn`t easy and takes a certain amount of dedication!

 

I don`t have that kind of patience to be a bomber pilot which is why I fly fighters, but I will always make the effort to cover these kinds of guys if they ask- Oh and will gladly wait for them.

Edited April 6, 2016 by seafireliv

[jaydee]

Apology accepted.

There is a culture of assuming the worst on the internet. It is quite prevalent here on these forums. I was mearly saying folk should accept how other folk play the game without the antagonism. It is mearly a game, a release from stress. If the game gets stressful the beauty of it is one can put down ones joystick and find something else less stressful.

I totally agree with you. Nobody has the right to tell others "How" they must play....If you want to Slam the throttle and take off from the Spawn point...........That is your way of Playing. That's Fine.

But when YOU  cut across or slam into other Pilots (That want to Take off properly coz that's how They like to Play). Now You are DICTATING to Others How they HAVE to Change the way they Play because of You !

As Chief said, its just common Courtesy...and Consideration of the Fact that WE ALL enjoy BOS in DIFFERENT ways.

~S~

PS Anyone Remember taking off from the Carrier in Old Il2 ?...By the time I unfolded my wings I got rammed !....But, I loved it coz it was just a matter of Timing...

~S~

[7.GShAP/Silas]

Reading comprehension seems to be an issue with you 

 

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A defensive personality leads to a lonely life.

 

 

 

Hmm

[SharpeXB]

This issue is really a question for the server admins. Although many find this behavior objectionable, it's not listed as a rule that I can see on any servers. Making it an actual rule would be the first step towards correcting the problem. Some DCS servers, for example, enforce this rule.

 

Question forwarded here.

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/21985-question-wol-admins-regarding-runway-behavior/

[1./ZG1_ElHadji]

In case the Ju 87 pilot on the WoL server that I smashed into when starting my taxirun last night reads this - I'm sorry!

 

I can't say that I enjoy the ground handling as it is now. Especially not on snow. And having planes spawning right in front of me JUST as I get my 110 rolling doesn't help to improve the experience.

 

I can understand why people ignore the taxiways. I don't like it. I don't think it is OK. But I totally understand it.

 

Btw, has anyone seen my ground friction? I seem to have lost it somewhere...

[SharpeXB]

I can understand why people ignore the taxiways. I don't like it. I don't think it is OK. But I totally understand it.

 

I can't understand it myself at all. If you're playing on a server like WoL, it means you want a certain style of gameplay. That means taking off and landing. If you want air starts and fast action, go over to the dogfight server. That's what I do when I've got limited time to be online. In many cases when people blast off across the field, the runway is just a few feet away. But they're oblivious to everything around them so they don't even look. I have people blasting off right across my path when taxiing.

 

It's time to put a stop to this behavior but it needs to be a posted rule first. Otherwise forget about it.

[1./ZG1_ElHadji]

Don't get me wrong Sharpe - I think it is unacceptable as well. But think about the poor guy in the Stuka I crashed into. Say he has an hour to spend online. He isn't a "fast action" guy just like you and me and he likes realism just like you and me. Here is what happend to him:

 

1. He spawns. A Ju 88 ground loops and crashes into him while he is parked.

2. He spawns a second time. A 109 collides with a Ju 88 and blocks him in.

3. He spawns a third time. A 110 (not me) ground loops and crashes into him.

4. He spawns a fourth time. Right in front of me JUST as I start rolling (I DID check before moving my throttle).

5. He spawns a fifth time and now he manages to get to the runway and takeoff.

 

99.9% of what happend to him wasn't because of overly wreckless players. It happend because of weird ground handling and strange physics and if he had gotten frustrated enough to turn his plane around and taken off the wrong way I wouldn't have blamed him. Ground handling isn't very realistic at this point and it is not realistic not knowing where to taxi (since external views are disabled) which is the case for newcomers on a server. So I can understand if the occasional armchair pilot says "F this - I'm off!".

 

But basically I agree with what you say - server rules for taxiing, takeoffs and landings would be very welcome.

[SharpeXB]

People should practice in single player before going online. If you can't handle your plane on the ground, don't go on servers where you're expected to do that. It just takes practice and that's why there's SP

[Aap]

And how does flying SP solve any of the four examples that ElHaji gave? Besides, many people like to fly online, against other humans.

I think it would be good if external views would be on when on ground or a button that gives you a layout of the airfield and a "you are here" spot, so people could at least get an idea which way they are supposed to taxi.

[SharpeXB]

You can practice ground handling offline. There's no need to go into multiplayer to practice taxiing. That's just common sense. There are probably training servers I imagine. But WoL is not one of those.

The developers already provided a solution on the Moscow map that shows you the airfield layouts if you zoom in on the map. They plan to do that to Stalingrad as well. I agree that's a big challenge sometimes but it's still not an excuse to blast off across the field.

It's really up to the sever admins to regulate though. Start handing out bans and the problem will stop quickly.

Edited April 12, 2016 by SharpeXB

[Gambit21]

All of this would disappear for me if we had lobby with easy co-op access chosing who flew in co-ops with

you.Many were thrown out of my co-ops when they misbehaved.

Right - and when the known ass-hat showed up next time, I just booted him from the mission before we took off while everyone was selecting their AC.

I miss Hyperlobby.

[seafireliv]

You can practice ground handling offline. There's no need to go into multiplayer to practice taxiing.

QED.

 

Even in my first early days of online flying years ago, I would not touch an MP server until I could take off and land offline. It really is common sense.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

We have a test server running which requests people to behave respectfully and to use runways and taxi ways.

 

Feel free to join...it  might not be balls to the wall action but the Moscow map and plane set are awesome and there's plenty of stuff to do and see....plus  you can shoot our 88s down :D

 

I don't blame the servers myself even though it's easy to make snide comments about X server....it's the players. Once people realise they're not welcome they will soon sort their sh*t out

Edited April 13, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Emil