For those that can't/will not Taxi, PLEASE USE CAUTION!!!!

[Haza]

Guys,

 

Has anybody else encountered those that think once you start engine(s) you can slam the throttle(s) forward and go hell for leather.  During a game last night I was rammed at least 4 times by single seat guys on the dispersal pan and as soon as they hit somebody they would re spawn to start it again.  At one stage there were at least 8 collisions with people just slamming into other guys.  I was also hit from behind by a 110 on the threshold prior to T/O and although I checked for damage, just after I had taken off, the Vert Stab fell off and the JU88 went into an inverted spin at <200m.  Needless to say, I was killed.

 

Therefore, this is a request to ask that before you taxi PLEASE make sure your path is clear!!

 

Thank you

 

Haza

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Or Get off stupid Dogfight Servers where people don't give a hoot, and onto something like DED Random Expert Beta, where Aircraft are actually valuable because it punishes you for lost aircraft. 

Almost nobody on that Server behaves anywhere even close to as bad as Wings of Liberty or others. 

[Blakhart]

So cute...

[Haza]

Klaus,

 

I wouldn't say any server is stupid, however, I agree with your view regarding the life imposed on some servers and have played on there a few times.  However, surely if we were to try and better educate players it would make for a better community for all, as learning to taxi for the first time takes a bit of practice!   I realise that if I do not like a server I can leave, but joining a server with 75 players when compared with 3 players does mean a little bit more action.  All I'm asking is that people use a little bit more caution.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Klaus,

 

I wouldn't say any server is stupid, however, I agree with your view regarding the life imposed on some servers and have played on there a few times.  However, surely if we were to try and better educate players it would make for a better community for all, as learning to taxi for the first time takes a bit of practice!   I realise that if I do not like a server I can leave, but joining a server with 75 players when compared with 3 players does mean a little bit more action.  All I'm asking is that people use a little bit more caution.

Have you seen this in chat: "How you start Engine?"

Or: "Where can I see where I am?"

Or: "How am I supposed to know that you are friendly?" after Tking you

Or other such questions of complete and utter noobery on public "Expert" (I don't really count GPS Servers as Expert anyways) Servers, alone and unassisted without even the slightest inkling of WTF is actually going on and what part does what?

And you want these people to taxi properly? They probably can't even wipe their own a**es yb themselves yet.

 

I was actually surprised Yesterday when someone new to RoF (Complete Noob to Flight Simming in General) had prepared himself to know the basic operations of an Aircraft, flew a couple of patterns in Singleplayer for familiarization and just asked about Multiplayer Combat. I felt it necessary to congratulate him on that in fact, because it is so rare. 

 

These Noobs aren'T on the Forums, they are little #YoloSwaggers and rarely last more than two weeks before they become bored because they want fast action adventures.

Wings of Liberty encourages them with a Never Ending Supply of Aircraft, on DED they die twice and are gone. 

Edited April 3, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[seafireliv]

Guys,

 

Has anybody else encountered those that think once you start engine(s) you can slam the throttle(s) forward and go hell for leather.  During a game last night I was rammed at least 4 times by single seat guys on the dispersal pan and as soon as they hit somebody they would re spawn to start it again.  At one stage there were at least 8 collisions with people just slamming into other guys.  I was also hit from behind by a 110 on the threshold prior to T/O and although I checked for damage, just after I had taken off, the Vert Stab fell off and the JU88 went into an inverted spin at <200m.  Needless to say, I was killed.

 

Therefore, this is a request to ask that before you taxi PLEASE make sure your path is clear!!

 

Thank you

 

Haza

Sounds like the typical online servers of the old 1946 IL2 days.

 

I still remember when a bunch of us were queued to take off and the guy at the head of the line typed, "How do I start the engine?`

 

Not sure what making a thread complaining about it is going to serve, as the kind of people who fly like that are hardly going to pay attention to a thread asking them to stop it.

If you`re generally a conscientious pilot, you`ll tend to take off/fly/land with consideration for others without needing to be told.

Edited April 3, 2016 by seafireliv

[6./ZG26_Emil]

Before anyone jumps down our beloved Kaus's throat put yourself in our shoes. 4-6 twin engine aircraft sitting through our protracted engine start up procedure, then taxiing out to the runway only for some clown to go 'Full Powell'  in his 109/Yak and ram straight in to one of us....for him it's 20 seconds to respawn....rinse...repeat. For us it's another 10 minutes to get the whole staffel organised again.

 

Never mind we've got our own server now so no more self inflicted pain....The DF servers will just go back to being solo fighter ace furball servers no matter the hard work the mission makers put in. It's getting rarer and rarer to see a well coordinated flight of bombers on one of these servers sadly.

 

Edited April 3, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Emil

[Haza]

Seafire,

 

I'm certainly not making a thread complaining, as I think you will find that this topic surely falls under the header "General Discussion".  I was merely trying to ascertain whether this was a one off or the norm!!

However, thank you for taking to time to at least reply.

 

RGDS

Edited April 4, 2016 by Haza

[=SqSq=Sulaco]

I'm on board 100% with this, unfortunately the chances that the type of player responsible for this behavior would ever take the time to visit these forums are next to zero so I imagine your words are falling on deaf ears.

 

My advice would be to follow Klaus's advice and get on something like DED where the chances of this are less likely.

[coconut]

Then there is the other end of the spectrum: Squadrons that sit on the runway, waiting to form up and take off. It's OK to do that on your own server, it's annoying when it happens in an open server.

[seafireliv]

Seafire,

 

I'm certainly not making a thread complaining, as I think you will find that this topic surely falls under the header "General Discussion".  I was merely trying to ascertain whether this was a one off or the norm!!

However, thank you for taking to time to at least reply.

 

RGDS

Well, you are complaining, But that`s not a bad thing. It is a valid complaint.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

On DED they die twice and are gone. 

And still people do slam throttle after startup going for suicicde takeoffs and kill friendlies despite being insta kicked for a TK. You can't enforce reasonable thinking but only try to sort those guys ot that completely dismiss it with their behaviour.

 

That said the OP made a valid point. Player numbers are highly flucturating depending on playtime but usually WoL fills up first with reasonable numbers of players. DED also has the issue of having the same limit for respawns for fighters and bombers alike, which personally I find troublesome since a bomber's survivability rate in a such an envirounment is well below that of a fighter aircraft.

 

@OP I'd advise to fly on Fighting Legends as often as possible. It's usually low crouded but with nice people and the missions are simple and fun to play, especially with a bomber.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

I second 5tuka's suggestion. The good thing about FL is that the mission can get eventful even with one or two players there because of the smart design.

 

Other than that it's all about patience really. Taking off from a less crowded airfield can help as well since those who are in a hurry usually want to ride the bee line there and back, while you can afford a few extra minutes to avoid the headache of being hit on the runway.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

And still people do slam throttle after startup going for suicicde takeoffs and kill friendlies despite being insta kicked for a TK. You can't enforce reasonable thinking but only try to sort those guys ot that completely dismiss it with their behaviour.

 

That said the OP made a valid point. Player numbers are highly flucturating depending on playtime but usually WoL fills up first with reasonable numbers of players. DED also has the issue of having the same limit for respawns for fighters and bombers alike, which personally I find troublesome since a bomber's survivability rate in a such an envirounment is well below that of a fighter aircraft.

 

@OP I'd advise to fly on Fighting Legends as often as possible. It's usually low crouded but with nice people and the missions are simple and fun to play, especially with a bomber.

1. Talking DED, yes, but it happens far less, and it's normally a Bf110 Scrub like me with those hopelessly useless Brakes that fail at anything above a relaxed walking pace, screaming 30 Seconds before the crashing into the guy infront of them on the taxiway knowing how inevitable it still is, hoping that through a Miracle they will Stop you, because No-One wants to Nose Over Right Next to the taxiway. 

And Sometimes it's those Confused and Clueless People "What are Supply Missions, can't I be useless anymore?" or "Why do I have no Aircraft anymore?" in Chat and on the Forums, we all have seen the threads. 

 

2. Absolutely.

 

3. Disagreed, DED is much better. 

Edited April 4, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[Asgar]

Then there is the other end of the spectrum: Squadrons that sit on the runway, waiting to form up and take off. It's OK to do that on your own server, it's annoying when it happens in an open server.

i agree with Chief on that one. it is immersion. and more important, IL-2 is a sim. and it should be played with a sense of simulating reality. Flying with wing men is the norm. don't hate people because they try to play the game how it's supposed to be

[7.GShAP/Silas]

Before anyone jumps down our beloved Kaus's throat put yourself in our shoes. 4-6 twin engine aircraft sitting through our protracted engine start up procedure, then taxiing out to the runway only for some clown to go 'Full Powell'  in his 109/Yak and ram straight in to one of us....for him it's 20 seconds to respawn....rinse...repeat. For us it's another 10 minutes to get the whole staffel organised again.

 

Never mind we've got our own server now so no more self inflicted pain....The DF servers will just go back to being solo fighter ace furball servers no matter the hard work the mission makers put in. It's getting rarer and rarer to see a well coordinated flight of bombers on one of these servers sadly.

 

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My group and I have been there many, many times and I sympathize.  But I hope you guys don't stick to your own server too much, because it's squads that make even servers like DED live up to their potential.

 

 

i agree with Chief on that one. it is immersion. and more important, IL-2 is a sim. and it should be played with a sense of simulating reality. Flying with wing men is the norm. don't hate people because they try to play the game how it's supposed to be

 

 

Indeed, why simulate the machine if you don't attempt to simulate the behavior?

[Livai]

This taxi ramming comes if you have only 2x airfields and a lot player that join there. If you have 2x planes that are in front of you and the next 3x planes are on your left and right side. You see the frist one start to taxi but you not expect that there is someone left in the middle. More funnier is if you not notice that the first one and the middle one start to taxi. If you wait a few seconds longer there will be a another player that spawn in front of you at the moment where you start to push your throttle for taxi to the runways.  Or your aircraft start to spin no matter where you are on the runway, during taxi or near other planes.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

There is a line though - as it was back then. Hogging up the runway for 20 minutes isn't very nice, and if you want to go by the book, consider that other assets may need to take off on their own tasks as well.

 

A decent compromise is to roll uniformly to the runway, take off with short intervals and have the leader climb out at reduced settings. If anything happens, the flight can either briefly orbit or whoever had to respawn can catch up quickly. That way if anybody needs to take off in the meantime they can do it just fine.

[Trooper117]

I haven't been online much, but when I do, I always start at the furthest airfield from the front, often I'm the only one there...

That's no guarantee I know, but the reduction in traffic normally means I can take my time.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

I know Tatiyanka, Karpovka and Gromoslavka have two, for sure. A lot of times the secondary runway is very small though, making it just enough for a clean fighter with flaps deployed.

 

Rear airfields are perfect since you can climb out properly.

[Trinkof]

I have tons of fun on DED random. Even with few players, recon mission can be very interesting, the ground objectives and AAA are very challenging for attackers.

 

The mechanics of aircraft lost is forcing players to be smart, I see very few fighters chasing a smoking half dead opponents into enemy lines. Actually people play more for objectives and survival than on WOL for example.

 

It is good because if damaged you are not necessarly a dead man, you can disengage and try to go home fighting with your engine (I had some epic Rtb lately )

 

There is also no report about who killed who, adding a lot of immersion. You have to navigate without icon.

 

.... And no insults in chat, no arguing... Just enjoy the game.

 

When I want to dogfight, I go to berloga DF, at least rules are clear here, you know what you will find. On WOL, people often play like brainless fps players.... With teenager bad manners and insult.

 

Even if less crowded, DED random is always a good place to fly, as soon as you are two players flying together....

 

And yeah people use the runaway, there is no rush missions are longer.

Edited April 4, 2016 by LAL_Trinkof

[Asgar]

This taxi ramming comes if you have only 2x airfields and a lot player that join there. If you have 2x planes that are in front of you and the next 3x planes are on your left and right side. You see the frist one start to taxi but you not expect that there is someone left in the middle. More funnier is if you not notice that the first one and the middle one start to taxi. If you wait a few seconds longer there will be a another player that spawn in front of you at the moment where you start to push your throttle for taxi to the runways.  Or your aircraft start to spin no matter where you are on the runway, during taxi or near other planes.

you should have a look at FNBF. 8 or more people spawning on one airfield and nobody crashes into each other

[coconut]

 

 

Not for me, this is 'immersion' in my view. But this is what it's all about, we all want different things. For anyone like me who enjoys a good take off/ landing, seeing formations etc. it seems that closed servers are the solution.

 

That makes sense for large bomber formations, but AFAIK (which admittedly isn't much *) IRL the runway is to be cleared ASAP whenever you enter it, either by taking off or exiting it (if you are landing). In other words, forming up on the runway is not the normal way of doing things. It's an exceptional situation that has to be set up and coordinated by a higher authority. When you are a bunch of friends joining a server open to anyone, there usually is no such higher authority.

 

* My assumptions are based on being taken for a flight by an uncle with a license once every decade, and playing Falcon BMS where ATC sounds annoyed repeatedly asking you "is there a problem?" when you stay on the runway for too long. So yeah, I realize I could be wrong on that. RL pilots and history connaisseurs feel free to correct me...

[Jade_Monkey]

I agree. When i asked on the chat to taxi properly i got the "taxiing is for noobz!" response.

 

Maybe they should take off from the moskow grass fields from now on and label the airfield "no taxi".

 

Also please look for planes that are about to land (usually with lights on) before getting on the runway!

 

Last night i had to dodge one in the last 10 seconds of landing.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

That makes sense for large bomber formations, but AFAIK (which admittedly isn't much *) IRL the runway is to be cleared ASAP whenever you enter it, either by taking off or exiting it (if you are landing). In other words, forming up on the runway is not the normal way of doing things. It's an exceptional situation that has to be set up and coordinated by a higher authority. When you are a bunch of friends joining a server open to anyone, there usually is no such higher authority.

 

* My assumptions are based on being taken for a flight by an uncle with a license once every decade, and playing Falcon BMS where ATC sounds annoyed repeatedly asking you "is there a problem?" when you stay on the runway for too long. So yeah, I realize I could be wrong on that. RL pilots and history connaisseurs feel free to correct me...

 

[SharpeXB]

I though the new ground effect made it impossible to take off without the runway, since it indeed would be especially in snow.

 

It's an easy enough policy to enforce on a server. If you see an offender, make a track and send it to the server admin. It should be penalized by a permanent ban. Post that rule clearly on the briefing. That would clean up the behavior.

[Lusekofte]

Well it happened to me in DED server, I started my PE 2 and started to taxi to runway, when I approach the runway I checked if there was any incoming ac, it was not so I just turned 90 degrees to the right and throttled up. Then a LAGG hit me, he had taken off from the same spawn place that I did and just took off. And he blamed me for the incident. That is what I understood of it, mostly Russian swearing is my guess. You find these every where.

[GER_GD]

...and what about the landing direction .. Same problem all day again ..also ignored from a few

[coconut]

 

Ah, but that's the taxiway. I see only one plane on the runway.

[Willy__]

 

 

Ah, but that's the taxiway. I see only one plane on the runway.

 

On a ideal world, WoL could be like that picture, with people queueing up for take off. But all of you know how things work on the internet...   

[6./ZG26_Emil]

Ah, but that's the taxiway. I see only one plane on the runway.

 

Well the moaning would be even worse if we bomber pilots took our sweet time and took off one by one 

[Fern]

It's fun to watch people crash into each other, while it takes FOREVER to start your P-40.

[ACG_pezman]

It's fun to watch people crash into each other, while it takes FOREVER to start your P-40.

Speaking of the P-40, I was flyin it in campaign this week (ya know, grinding out those unlocks) when I realized, the damn things engine is so fragile that if I had to escort ANYTHING, my wingmen would blow their engines trying to catch up with us.

[SYN_Luftwaffles]

About the only plane I consider "acceptable" to just switch on and take off across the ground is my beloved I-16. It's like a Russian 4x4. That's only if you're clear to go. 

Everyone else needs to use the darn runway lol

[SharpeXB]

This is what happened to me last time I slipped off the taxiway :-D

I thought the updated ground handling fixed the problem of people trying to take off across the ground

Edited April 4, 2016 by SharpeXB

[seafireliv]

After a rather successful sortie in the SP Campaign, I decided to have a quick try on the online server. I didn`t really want to as I have yet to get my pedals and throttle stuff, but I thought why not just one quick run online, among REAL people...

 

Started by the side of the runway in a full real server. Started engine, put up my prop pitch and turned on the run way in line after  the first guy. Put up the throtlle, started rolling. Couldn`t take off. Why can`t I take off? 2\3rds down the runway I knew I had to abort, no lift at all. Even with full flaps down. Spun on the runway and stopped.

 

Forgot my Mixture didn`t I... facepalm.

 

Luckily no one was coming up behind me or I`m sure I would`ve had a few choice words thrown at me for that potential crash waiting to happen!

Edited April 4, 2016 by seafireliv

[56RAF_Pod]

 

 

Started by the side of the runway in a full real server. Started engine, put up my prop pitch and turned on the run way in line after  the first guy. Put up the throtlle, started rolling. Couldn`t take off. Why can`t I take off? 2\3rds down the runway I knew I had to abort, no lift at all. Even with full flaps down. Spun on the runway and stopped.

 

 

At least you did not take off in the other direction after the spin  

That happened to me last time I was flying on WoL.

 

I lined up behind a Yak in my IL-2, waited for him to start rolling, waited a bit more ... and then I started rolling... only to see him spin around and take off in my direction

Fortunately the IL-2 is a tank so a short trip into the grass did not hurt it.

[wtornado]

Wow I do not check the forum for one week come back and find all types of complaints

on FW-190's and servers and flight models.

 

Hard week for the developers that is for sure.

 

You do get the ''fly by nighters'' that buy the game and think it is a prettier version

of War Thunder or World of Warplanes and get the surprise of their life.

 

I don't even think they play two weeks.You will never see them on forums.Their planes

burn at the end of runways and around the airfield perimeter.

 

The disappear just as fast as they came.

 

Steam gives you your money back within a week of purchase anyways if you do not like a game.

[Rolling_Thunder]

Here's an idea. Get yourself in a squadron. Get that squadron to pay for its own server and then you can play the way you like without the annoying irritation of other folk playing the way they like. You're on a public server, suck it up or move on.

[seafireliv]

At least you did not take off in the other direction after the spin

That happened to me last time I was flying on WoL.

 

I lined up behind a Yak in my IL-2, waited for him to start rolling, waited a bit more ... and then I started rolling... only to see him spin around and take off in my direction

Fortunately the IL-2 is a tank so a short trip into the grass did not hurt it.

 

I was tempted to take off from the opposite end of the runway, but I knew that if I did I was 90% likely to go right into someone else rightfully trying to take off. It would`ve been very bad of me. So I restarted back on the right part of the taxi way.

Yea, I think a lot of people simply don`t think when they go online or just don`t care.

Edited April 5, 2016 by seafireliv