Twins

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

The sim is currently limited to no more than two engines by a DEV decision. The obvious exception in the Tante Ju. It's not the complexity of the aircraft that are limiting, as I understand it, but the number of AI crew. There are however a tantalizing number of twin engine bombers and fast attack aircraft available to all of the major combatants throughout the war.

 

Personally I am looking most forward to a pure bomber version of the Mosquito (with an inappropriate for mission Yank PR blue scheme) . Not too far behind is the B-25. The Betty is an obvious choice for the Japanese and for me the Hs 129 for the Germans. I also have a soft spot for the solid nose A-26 but we will have to wait until a late war scenario to see her. Within the 39-45 timeline, which are you most looking forward to during the expected long run of Il2 BoX?

 

Edit: I was gonna open up a separate thread about twin engined fighters but there is quite a bit of overlap so have at it and list your TEF's as well. Ranking and explanations/reasonings optional.

Edited March 27, 2016 by [LBS]HerrMurf

[Dakpilot]

For some reason in old IL-2 I always enjoyed the A-20 whether doing torpedo runs on the Mixx Murmansk map or ground attack on PNG and bombing runs in the desert it was always satisfying and just felt 'right' 

 

Maybe it's because it was a Douglas aircraft  if it had P&W's it could be perfect, lol

 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

Edited March 27, 2016 by Dakpilot

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I hated trying to kill her and her superman rear gunner though

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

The Boston/Havoc would be a blessing here. I am a glass-nosed A-20 apologist because it makes it easier to line up for torpedo runs with the navigator

 

Some of my picks...

 

The DB-3/Il-4. That single cockpit in a bomber has something to it.

 

 

The Tupolev SB, the bomber that helped stop the Wermacht in 1941 but paid with blood

 

 

The good old Lisunov, that DC-3 charm with an extra punch

 

 

The Do-17, because pencils can fly

 

 

Does the MBR-2 count? It only has one engine, but it gets a few extra points for effort

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I'm onboard for a Do-17Z if we do an early war scenario. Visually similar to the superior Ju88 though. Variety is always good.

[Lusekofte]

I had hopes for the DO 17 before the JU 88, because it has only been made for simulators once and that was MCFS 2?

the plane was loved by its crew, very maneuverable and well made. 

I too got a favorite child on VVS side, the Boston, but the way things are going in balance a TU 2 would do better with its payload. But still I would love a DB 3/ IL4 or a Boston more. 

But I am deeply torn in terms of priority, I would like a flyable JU 52 and opponent LI 2. I also like so many others love the PO 2 and Storch. So much and so little time

[ACG_KaiLae]

Do-17 is in CLoD, actually

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

The Do-17Z was slightly faster than the early Ju-88A-4 but carried a smaller payload. Don't know how much they were used in the east given the high losses in the BoB and because it was the least produced bomber of the 3 main types (He-111, Ju88, Do-17).

 

Adding to the mentioned ones the Bf-110 G-2 with Bk.37. With 72 shots it's a true beast of a tank killer and can be turned into a superb nightfighter with little effort.

 

Ju-388 L-1. Was mainly used as a high altitude reconissence aircraft but capeable of delivering 3 tons of bombs. It's a beauty and armed to the teeth.

[Asgar]

I agree with Stuka, 110 G-2 and Ju 388 would be great, but i would also like to add Ju-188 and the Me 410

Edited March 28, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Asgar

[DD_Arthur]

 

Personally I am looking most forward to a pure bomber version of the Mosquito (with an inappropriate for mission Yank PR blue scheme) . Not too far behind is the B-25. 

 

A Salerno map along with an allied invasion scenario to go with it would give you B25's, P38's, Bostons, Beaufighters, the Do217 along with the Fritz X missile and of course the Mosquito in its USAAF recon role.    

[Asgar]

Fritz X is a guided bomb, not a missile

[DD_Arthur]

In English a missile is also defined as an object dropped or thrown with the intention of causing harm.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

P-38 goes to the top of my list for TEF. The Ki-45 also holds a bit of fascination for me when we go Pacific.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Far from being terribly useful, but the Ju-86 would be nice to have even as an AI aircraft for those high-altitude recce flights. Then MiG-3s could scramble and have fun at 10.000m

[SKG51_robtek]

service ceiling Ju-86 R is 13000m for the Mig-3 it is 12000m, If the Ju pilot knows his plane he would laugh at the MiG stalling below.

The Ju 86 P had a service ceiling at 12000 m, still it would already be at this altitude while the MiG  would have to try to reach him.

On a normal sortie the Ju 86 p would be unreachable, though not very accurate as a bomber.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Most of all they were used for long-range reconnaissance over Soviet territory, where the MiG-3s were sent to intercept. The MiGs usually stood a chance because they had some prior warning, and most of the time the goal was achieved by shooing the Junkers away rather than shooting it down.

 

There's a brilliant story from the day before the invasion where MiG-3 pilot Valentin Figichev scrambled to intercept presumably a Ju-86 over Moldavia that had entered Soviet airspace. Customary procedure had the Soviet fighters chasing the Junkers all the way the border, then breaking off. But Figichev wasn't having it - instead of following the rules, he went after the Junkers deep into Romanian territory before returning to Soviet airspace. When questioned for his behaviour, he replied:

 

"So, the Junkers can cross the border, but I can't chase him when he decides to run away?"

 

The next day Germany and its allies invaded the Soviet Union, and Figichev was called up to explain his actions to the higher ranks.

[SYN_Luftwaffles]

P-38 goes to the top of my list for TEF. The Ki-45 also holds a bit of fascination for me when we go Pacific.

What's a TEF?

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Twin-engine fighter I assume?

[Rjel]

I'd love to see both a bomber version and fighter version of the Mosquito. The P-38 would be a close second. 

[ShamrockOneFive]

I like all of these suggestions!

 

Sticking with the East Front for a bit... I'd love to see the 1CGS folks bring the IL-4 to the table. I loved having it in IL-2 1946 when we finally got it and it'd be great to see it flyable again.

 

 

I'd also be interested in seeing some of the Me-410 variants. They don't get see too often in flight sims and I know several of the bomber squadrons started using them later on in the war... most of all it'd be a flexible aircraft to perform a variety of duties depending on the sub version.

 

[RCAF-De_Havilland]

i would abandon the luftwaffe in an instant for a mossie

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I can't remember the guy who threw around a 410 on the old Skies of Fire server but man, he must have known every rivet on that bird. He could really dogfight in the thing and came out on top with a whole lot of very surprised single engine fighter dudes. She's neat but I bet you have to know her as well as that guy to have much success.

 

And yes, TEF is just my shorthand for Twin Engine Fighter.

i would abandon the luftwaffe in an instant for a mossie

Ya don't say................................

 

Edited March 28, 2016 by [LBS]HerrMurf

[Feathered_IV]

I've always loved the Hampden, which would have suited the Murmansk map rather well as there was at least one RAAF squadron operating out of there and the aircraft were passed on to the Russians when the aircrew eventually left.

I'd have loved flying the Blenheim in the BoS engine in the anti-shipping role. CloD's poor environmental effects and AI tended to spoil this.

Edited March 28, 2016 by Feathered_IV

[Original_Uwe]

I'd shoot ya down De havilland! All in good fun of course lol

But I get it, when we get thunderbolts or p-38 it's going to be hard to stay faithful lol

Edited March 28, 2016 by II./JG53_Uwe

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Western planes will definitely get me over to the Allied side more often but I still loves me some FW's.

[Lusekofte]

Do-17 is in CLoD, actually

 

I am talking about flyable, I flown COD since release so I know perfectly well they are modeled as AI planes

I've always loved the Hampden, which would have suited the Murmansk map rather well as there was at least one RAAF operating out of there and the aircraft were passed on to the Russians when the aircrew eventually left.

 

I'd have loved flying the Blenheim in the BoS engine in the anti-shipping role. CloD's poor environmental effects and AI tend to spoil this.

I got Guy Gibson book as a present for a Flypast description . He covered his time in Hampdens in that book Enemy coast ahead. It was really a bad design and flew terrible. I loved that plane since it had a tendency to pop up in WW2 aera comic books when I was a kid, In my mind it was more famous than the Lancaster for that reason. I really got a weak spot for it, but if modeled right, I think I will learn to hate it

Edited March 28, 2016 by 216th_LuseKofte

[Feathered_IV]

You may be right about the Hampden, however I find it's the flaws that often give these types their charm.  I've always loved British aircraft as they so frequently appear contrapted rather than constructed.  Just about every aircraft in RAF with the same vintage as the Hampden could be described as a bad design.  The Hampden, Battle, Whitley, Defiant, Skua or Manchester.  Even the Blenheim to a large degree.  Oddly enough, I love them all. 

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Not a big fan of british aircraft designs but I somehow like the Avro Anson (yea, I know it had critical flight characteristics and killed mroe crews in accidents than in combat). It just looks admireable and - ironicly - quite fun to fly.

[kendo]

Without a doubt for me it would be the Mosquito - in any variant .

 

Some of the Russian twins look interesting too.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

I'm with you on the Anson, 5tuka. Flying those back and forth in liason missions seems fun.

[Asgar]

In English a missile is also defined as an object dropped or thrown with the intention of causing harm.

bless German, words actually have meaning and you can use the language to describe exactly what you mean   

[Dakpilot]

bless German, words actually have meaning and you can use the language to describe exactly what you mean   

 

Apparently there are about 150,000 German words but more than 600,000 definitions of English words, of which there are a lot more than German.

 

English can indeed be a  confusing  language

 

And back on topic, unfortunately the Anson does not inspire me at all....it always looks a bit sad, a Hampden maybe 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Monostripezebra]

I think the Il-4 would make a cool counterpart to the 111...

 

 

the SB-2 is just a kind of iconic for early war.. and an A-20 would be great for further scenarios around the med.

 

For the german side I´d love to see a FW-189 or a HS-129

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

The 189 is interesting but I don't see it having a mission from a gameplay standpoint. AI sure but what value does it have for players?

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Well, Han has stated that artillery correction and spotting, reconnaissance and other missions present in Rise of Flight were going to be implemented after work on Battle of Moscow is done. With that in mind the Fw-189 becomes a very viable contender.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Hadn't read that. Fair enough.............

[Lusekofte]

Luftwaffe rewarded pilots and AA managing to shoot down spotter planes in western front. Fighters had little success shooting them down. The small low-lying, slow ac with two crew always spotted them and out turned them. But they was seen as a huge treat and soldiers was afraid to be spotted . 

So for a dynamic map and real objectives 

 

Well, Han has stated that artillery correction and spotting, reconnaissance and other missions present in Rise of Flight were going to be implemented

 

This properly done should bring better results than a formation of bombers