4thFG_Cap_D_Gentile Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 Just had a go on the Berloga server in a Yak. First time ever both SP and MP, 4 kills in 1 sortie LOL. That plane is just so far out, no wonder some people stay away from this. No historic data on the subject nor am I an aeronautical engineer but come on it's is ridiculous. And the sling shots one can succeed with in it. Developers please do something about it and make my none flying friends come back, also the ones that never bought it, yet!
Asgar Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 i think that's two rulebreaks? discussing FM out of the FM section and the whole thing without any data to back it up? 4
216th_Lucas_From_Hell Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 According to recent threads, the Yak-1 is the best aircraft in game, and simultaneously a complete piece of garbage. 4
Y-29.Silky Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 What did you shoot down? Most people who complain about the Yak have 500 hours in the F-4 and 20 minutes in the Yak. 3
[CPT]milopugdog Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 This thread, again. But really though, I watched 3 Yaks that dove on my 110 using flaps crash into the ground. Funniest thing ever. 1
II./JG77_Manu* Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) What did you shoot down? Most people who complain about the Yak have 500 hours in the F-4 and 20 minutes in the Yak. absolute nonsense and prejudice only. Not commenting OPs statement though Edited March 27, 2016 by II./JG77_Manu*
Jade_Monkey Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 Watch out guys, he shot down some bots in Berloga! Ace alert!!
[CPT]milopugdog Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 Watch out guys, he shot down some bots in Berloga! Ace alert!! WEE WOO WEE WOO. HERE COMES THE BIAS POLICE. 3
Original_Uwe Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 I will say that every time I fly the yak-very rare-I'm astonished by how the flaps make it easy to just yank the nose back, but damn you get slow quick. Not worth it.
Finkeren Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 I will say that every time I fly the yak-very rare-I'm astonished by how the flaps make it easy to just yank the nose back, but damn you get slow quick. Not worth it. Exactly! Besides: Only n00bs fly the Yak now that we have the MiG
Caudron431 Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 Just wondering why there is no thread about MiG flaps? Is it ok (historical) to use them at will in combat? It's just a question, i'd like to know if the flaps system was made for combat purpose and if you guys use them in fight.
=362nd_FS=Hiromachi Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 OP, didn't you know that Yak pilots are master race. But pshhh, keep it a secret. Dont spoil it to the others ...
jaydee Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 Agree! I like the Yak. Flown Smoothly and Gently it is a wonderful Airplane. sorry for being a NOOB.
Caudron431 Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) I like the Yak. Flown Smoothly and Gently it is a wonderful Airplane. sorry for being a NOOB. No need to be sorry. I believe it's more about the trauma experienced by some players shot down by a Yak than about what the Yak can really do. Edited March 27, 2016 by Yak9Micha 3
NN_RugbyGoth Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 "I have no idea about what I am saying, but I'm right and you are wrong." Ok, devs, please do accordingly to what Jimmies_Fatley said, he obviously knows way more than what your aero engineers know about flying with flaps! Thread locked in 3...2...1...
Original_Uwe Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 joachim marseille used flaps in his 109, its better when you go slow Speed is life. I love it when they do use them though, because I try to keep 300kph minimum in my 109 and when they pop flaps I generally get to determine the way the fight goes. 2
216th_Lucas_From_Hell Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 It brings the biggest joy when somebody is so set in flying nose-to-tail they bust all their energy and you start flying circles around them.
Original_Uwe Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 It brings the biggest joy when somebody is so set in flying nose-to-tail they bust all their energy and you start flying circles around them. Hey I'm not above admitting I get red fever from time to time lol!
216th_Lucas_From_Hell Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 I did that very recently, and my saving grace was having a wingman hanging a little back who sorted out the bandit. Some months ago flying the F-4 I encountered a Yak who didn't give me a single opening. Every move I made, the pilot had an answer to. While I had the energy advantage, the pilot denied any shot. I was getting frustrated and in the end decided to disengage because after 10 minutes had I made another pass sure enough I would have tried to sort things out once and for all and gotten shot down in the process. I still wonder who that was.
ACG_pezman Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 there is no question that the 109's outclass the Yak now. I don't know where OP got his asertation unless the 109's he was fighting were greedy and gave up the ghost trying to kill him.
MadisonV44 Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 I personally consider the flaps issue resolved for now. A few month ago it was obvious, now its well balanced and acceptable IMHO. In addition, using flaps with the Yak is not always a good idea as your are suddenly hanging in the middle of nowhere, with less direction control on your plane. As a result, if you escaped to the first pass of a leader, just be prepared to have the "visit" of its wingman that will be more than happy to have a slow / motionless target hanging in the air 2
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 Agree they seem to be sorted out now. You can still get some great angles, albeit briefly, with them but at a horrible price in E. Abuse them at your own personal peril.
Lusekofte Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 This is a cheap shot where the OP think it hurt the most. For me it does not hurt, I just get fed up. I just cannot for the sake of insanity understand why people bother to post in a site they have no interest of. I have seen a lot of legit critiques from people that do care and want the best for the sim and its community. Things like this make those complaints less legit. And its bloody insult peoples intelligence
[CPT]milopugdog Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 Oh really? And then, Mac_Messer was never heard from again. 2
Monostripezebra Posted March 27, 2016 Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) I will say that every time I fly the yak-very rare-I'm astonished by how the flaps make it easy to just yank the nose back, but damn you get slow quick. Not worth it. flappy pilot snipe, just for the fun: but in all seriousness.. I´m a lot more concerned about the Mig 3. It is mostly awesomely modeled and great fun, but as soon as people find out, that with a pre-set flap of 10-15% you can cut it´s turning radius about in half without much energy loss.. then all the F2 vs Mig3 duels are basically moot. The planes are quite a good match and you can have really good duels in them with out flaps.. but with hotkeyed 10-15% flaps the mig leave so F2 in the dirt, speed perfomance wise, in slow speed handling and maneuverability...l think it is gonna be a serious imbalance in BoM-plane set only missions. Which I find kind of sad, because it will hurt online gameplay alternatives to the yakkityyak vs F4 hard and it is going to be a bit ahistoric with mig 3 easily outmaneuvering F2s on the low speed knife fights.. something that awesome plane mig 3 really didn´t do. Edited March 28, 2016 by Dr_Zeebra 1
Turban Posted March 28, 2016 Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) This has to be a joke... People asking for a nerf on the Mig 3 already, with no actual fact or evidence... The Mig3 loses a ton of energy, it doesn't outmaneuver anything, etc, etc... There is a name for this forum behavior.... Edited March 28, 2016 by Turban
Monostripezebra Posted March 28, 2016 Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) This has to be a joke... People asking for a nerf on the Mig 3 already, with no actual fact or evidence... The Mig3 looses a ton of energy, it doesn't outmaneuver anything, etc, etc... There is a name for this forum behavior.... lol.. learn to read what I wrote. I´m a huge mig 3 fan and I think it is one of the best planes in the gameset, performing largely quite historic. And i take pride in my empirical flighttesting.. you can easily reproduce it. with 12% flaps on a hotkey and retracting in each dive while putting it out on the top of climbs and thight turns I did outmaneuver a better fighter pilot in an F2 in the duel server and upon swapping planes it was exactly the other way around.. try it. And i talk BoM only here.. in the wider planeset, where no-one really turns with the mig 3 in a g2 it doesn´t really matter and the mig performs quite great as a high-alt fighter in it´s historic role. Nonetheless the benefit/dragcost ratio of minimal flap settings in turnfights seem extreme, so far on the mig. Ok, the flaps on 109 also extend at too high speeds and so on, but that is not that relevant in online flying as it has very little use. Edited March 28, 2016 by Dr_Zeebra 1
Original_Uwe Posted March 28, 2016 Posted March 28, 2016 Ya and trying to apply it to the good doctor is idiocy. 1
Turban Posted March 28, 2016 Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) I'm reading exactly what you wrote : you can cut it´s turning radius about in half without much energy loss . Again, prove that you cut the turning radius in half, prove that the mig 3 does so by losing less energy than other fighters. Funny, in your second post you don't talk about half turn and energy loss anymore. So you put 12% of flaps at some point and you apparently outmaneuvered a F2 ? So ???? What does that prove ??Did he have flaps out ? What maneuver what is overall? What was the energy loss? What was the speed loss and maneuvering abilities of both planes when both on the same path with the same configuration?And finally why does something has to be wrong with a Mig3 outmaneuvering a F2 in some circumstances?? You know the Mig 3 is actually supposed to maneuver very well, it's problem beingmostly speed at low alt especially in turn fights?? Which is definitely in BoS, enter a turn fight at low alt and you're dead meat. Edited March 28, 2016 by Turban
Monostripezebra Posted March 28, 2016 Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) the testflights where conducted on the duel server at low alt, around 1k.. against Vade with both of us flying both planes. Fuel was locked there serversided at 30%, so that may be an influence factor that needs further looking at especially as weight as huge influence in BoS flightmodeling affecting energy retention. But overall it came across quite clear that setting microflaps changes everything in a dogfight for the mig 3. That is a pretty unbiased result and I can only invite anyone to test it. You will come to a similar conclusion. edit: at heavier weights (100%fuel) so far the effect appears to be less important/pronounced.. I need some more testing on it. Edited March 28, 2016 by Dr_Zeebra
Original_Uwe Posted March 28, 2016 Posted March 28, 2016 Hey Turban lay of the commie cool-aid and stop taking it as personal. Soviet aircraft were inferior-period. It's only a question of how inferior they were.
7.GShAP/Silas Posted March 28, 2016 Posted March 28, 2016 Hey Turban lay of the commie cool-aid and stop taking it as personal. Soviet aircraft were inferior-period. It's only a question of how inferior they were. What a load of garbage. What brand of cool-aid are you drinking?
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