Help the VVS!

[ACG_pezman]

Hey guys, I know there are a lot of people who like to fly allied aircraft in this sim.  We need you!  Tonight (03/05/2016) at 20:00hrs EST (GMT -5) Saturday Night Bomber Flights is taking place and we are down significantly for the Russians.  We have had a couple of brave converts but that only makes three of us.  I know there are lots of us out here who really enjoy these events and who would like to take part.  Click on the link below to find out more and sign up.

 

Thanks to everyone brave enough to try.

 

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/20918-saturday-night-bombers-flight/page-3?do=findComment&comment=337266

[BlitzPig_EL]

Pick up groups flying inferior in every way aircraft... against organized squads.

 

Ummm...

 

Nope.

 

I will not volunteer to pad some Luftwaffe role player's stats so he can then come on the forum and say that the VVS aircraft are all on par with the German ones.

 

Nope nope nope...

 

Been there, done that, it's wasn't any fun then, and I doubt it's any fun now.

 

Ask yourself, why is no one playing VVS?

 

Why is multiplayer so totally moribund?

 

When that question is honestly answered, not just by the players, but by the developers, they maybe we will begin to see that a purely hard core simulation of historical events doesn't play out well for folks that want to come online and, you know, actually enjoy themselves.

 

Right now the only ones having any real fun are the guys flying F4s, because shooting fish in a barrel is sooooo rewarding.

Edited March 5, 2016 by BlitzPig_EL

[6./ZG26_Emil]

That's the spirit 

 

We fly bombers, are we the fish in the barrel? Nope we're having loads of fun together regardless of the outcome.

 

What ever happened to rising to the challenge?

[Turban]

I'd consider it but it's out of my time zone Good luck and try to fly safe

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Next week at best, 2am is a bit dificult to fly at

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

From the FNBF sides, flying the LaGG-3 in all sorties, I can categorically say the disadvantage thing is unfounded.

 

My record so far:

 

First mission, Yak-1 (disco killed my LaGG), engaged a group of 10 LW aircraft with other 3 Lavochkins. Lost my leader and was shot down leaving the engagement due to engine damage by a Bf-110. My fault.

 

Second mission: First sortie I crashed against the ground during a misjudged split-S, our flight had been doing well until then and had shot down 2-3 109s and 2 Stukas. Second sortie we shot down a good couple of fighters and disengaged. Engine starvation made me ditch already in our lines. Only one loss. Third sortie (with 3 LaGG-3s) we met 2 109s. I was the only victim, shot down by a LaGG-3 in a head on pass due to miscommunication. The 2 x 2 continued with neither side getting an edge over the other, no losses or victories.

 

Third mission: Escort all the way. We met what looked like 6-8 109s on the first sortie. Landed due to fuel starvation on a front airfield, n.3 survived and went home intact while my wingman was shot down and n.4 went down too. Only 1 bomber loss. We repeat the same route. Same number of enemies. This time 4 LaGG-3s go down (I ditched safely in our lines, the rest died) but we effectively drag the enemy away from our bombers. Zero bomber losses! Third sortie I alone covered the bombers to and fro a rear enemy airfield, no opposition showed up, and I stuck with them all the way home.

 

It is great fun and by all means a fair match for the VVS.

Edited March 5, 2016 by Lucas_From_Hell

[6./ZG26_Custard]

Echoing what other folks have said I'm sure many European flyers would be happy to join in but it's rather late for our time zone.

[Lusekofte]

That's the spirit 

 

We fly bombers, are we the fish in the barrel? Nope we're having loads of fun together regardless of the outcome.

 

What ever happened to rising to the challenge?

 

My man

 

Some of the 109 units are very tight and trained, they are good, but I never considered allied side as a underdog in any way. What is the fun if no one fly allied. I fly only allied in organized flying in BOS , and German in COD

Edited March 5, 2016 by EG14_LuseKofte

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Custard, good news for you then - the Saturday NBF after this one will happen at 20:00 GMT so that Europe can join in. The times will alternate every week so that everyone can participate.

[ACG_pezman]

Custard, good news for you then - the Saturday NBF after this one will happen at 20:00 GMT so that Europe can join in. The times will alternate every week so that everyone can participate.

I want to echo this point.  Next week and the weeks after there will be an early event so please keep an eye on SNBF.

 

Pick up groups flying inferior in every way aircraft... against organized squads.

 

Ummm...

 

Nope.

 

I will not volunteer to pad some Luftwaffe role player's stats so he can then come on the forum and say that the VVS aircraft are all on par with the German ones.

 

Nope nope nope...

 

Been there, done that, it's wasn't any fun then, and I doubt it's any fun now.

 

Ask yourself, why is no one playing VVS?

 

Why is multiplayer so totally moribund?

 

When that question is honestly answered, not just by the players, but by the developers, they maybe we will begin to see that a purely hard core simulation of historical events doesn't play out well for folks that want to come online and, you know, actually enjoy themselves.

 

Right now the only ones having any real fun are the guys flying F4s, because shooting fish in a barrel is sooooo rewarding.

I don't even know where to start.

 

Yes your right our aircraft are inferior, but only at maximum performance.  Dogfights are not about maximum performance because the person with the most energy will win, not the person with the higher preforming aircraft.  So don't engage unless there is a clear energy advantage.

 

This is my personal rule when I am in engagements:

 

Keep focused on the objective of depleting your attacker's energy (not on producing a gun solution) and not your own, and the gun solutions will come on their own.  It's really just a Chess game but with energy. 

[JimTM]

I am out this week, but will be joining in on future events. Enjoy!

[Mac_Messer]

Pick up groups flying inferior in every way aircraft... against organized squads.

 

Ummm...

 

Nope.

 

I will not volunteer to pad some Luftwaffe role player's stats so he can then come on the forum and say that the VVS aircraft are all on par with the German ones.

 

Nope nope nope...

 

Been there, done that, it's wasn't any fun then, and I doubt it's any fun now.

 

Ask yourself, why is no one playing VVS?

 

Why is multiplayer so totally moribund?

 

When that question is honestly answered, not just by the players, but by the developers, they maybe we will begin to see that a purely hard core simulation of historical events doesn't play out well for folks that want to come online and, you know, actually enjoy themselves.

 

Right now the only ones having any real fun are the guys flying F4s, because shooting fish in a barrel is sooooo rewarding.

I disagree on several accounts.

 

First off, once this game reaches 1943-1944 period the sides pretty much switch. And still you will find similar number of LW players. It is nature of the beast which is ETO.

 

Second, BoS multiplayer is still pretty much irrelevant. You will not find big tactical battles online, you will not find Supply Bridge operation online where LW is encircled, you will not find elite VVS squads entering combat of 20-30 machines to butcher the LW. No dynamic frontlines and supply levels in a big dynamic online campaign. And so it comes down to few LaGGs fighting few 109F4s in very modest game environment. Multiplayer needs to be fun for people, until that happens the numbers will stay the same.

 

I`m not flying online (I`m exclusively flying LW) exactly because what you described - in 1946 days VVS was dangerous even in 1941 but the multiplayer was far, faaaar ahead of what we have in BoS. I am not interested in flying with two other humans looking for easy targets in winter desert.

 

There are hundreds of people like me waiting for SOMETHING to happen with BoS mp...still waiting.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Well, 72AG/DED is introducing changing frontlines (learned that the hard way, went for a coffee while the maps rotated and poof! There went my airfield after I couldn't find the tanks rushing to it) and TAW is coming up with a protracted campaign with logistics and rewarding of elite squadrons and so on. FNBF and Saturday NBF (courtesy of DBS, Manu and Coconut) are coop campaigns that happen weekly.

[7.GShAP/Silas]

Well, 72AG/DED is introducing changing frontlines (learned that the hard way, went for a coffee while the maps rotated and poof! There went my airfield after I couldn't find the tanks rushing to it) and TAW is coming up with a protracted campaign with logistics and rewarding of elite squadrons and so on. FNBF and Saturday NBF (courtesy of DBS, Manu and Coconut) are coop campaigns that happen weekly.

 

 

I wish I could shout this from the rooftops.  With all these choices now becoming available, the biggest step left is for people to go to the trouble of trying them and giving them a chance.  If someone has ever wanted more from BOS multiplayer, now they have the opportunity.  If more people give it a shot, others will be encouraged by the population.  Change starts at home and all that.

[ACG_pezman]

Tonight I did my first-ever online mission as part of a team using Teamspeak, linked up to P3zman and a few other great guys flying for the VVS on the Saturday Night Bomber Flight server.

 

Forgot to unlock my tailwheel and taxied my IL-2 through the quicksand, then flew right past the target and missed the first battle entirely. It was a complete goatrope but nobody gave me a hard time.

 

The second sortie was a lot better...we hammered the target and the Yaks kept the Germans off of us (scoring some kills) so that we could RTB safely.

 

I never flew cooperatively with Teamspeak before, because it seemed really intimidating...but instead it was awesome. I advise anybody to get a cheap headset and try it out - you will be glad you did.

Yeah, we had a real good time tonight attacking that airfield.  We need more Pe-2, La-5, and P-40 pilots though.  Having said that, we had a much better turnout tonight than last week or the week before.

 

Thank you to all who flew for the allies, for the first time I witnessed the allies outnumbering the axis 8 vs. 5

[=CFC=Conky]

Sorry I missed the prang, I usually fly on the outnumbered side, which means I usually fly for the VVS!

 

Pip, pip,

=CFC=Conky

[JG13_opcode]

Well, 72AG/DED is introducing changing frontlines (learned that the hard way, went for a coffee while the maps rotated and poof! There went my airfield after I couldn't find the tanks rushing to it) and TAW is coming up with a protracted campaign with logistics and rewarding of elite squadrons and so on. FNBF and Saturday NBF (courtesy of DBS, Manu and Coconut) are coop campaigns that happen weekly.

 

Isn't that server European?

[Godfather_Actual]

I will try to make it next time. I had other plans last night. I can fly any side with any plane. Flying organised sorties is such a blast. Dont know why the allied side suffers from recruits because i have seen more allies on the servers.

[URUAker]

Oh man why didnt i see this yesterday. If i´m correct that was at 22:00 in Uruguay GMT -3 right?

I will love to take part, dont mind flying LW or VVS on any aircraft (BOS premium only) be adviced i´m not flying at all lately so i´m a little rusty.

Hope i´ll be able to join the next time you fly in similar hours.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Next one will be at 17 GMT-3 I think, and the one after that will be at 22:00 GMT -3. Friday's event is weekly at 17:00 GMT -3.

[URUAker]

Next one will be at 17 GMT-3 I think, and the one after that will be at 22:00 GMT -3. Friday's event is weekly at 17:00 GMT -3.

Thanks!

[Original_Uwe]

Just my impression, but it seems like there are more 'hard core realistic' virtual Luftwaffe pilots and squads than there are VVS, at least in the English-speaking web. I could be wrong though.

I'm focusing on VVS for now, but plan on flying German as well...I hope Luftwaffe squads will switch sides from time to time to keep the matches balanced and interesting.

Then what's the point of having a virtual Luftwaffe unit if you're just going to switch?

We would love for there to be more organized vvs participation in squad size elements, but I can't help but feel like the vvs is largely irrelevant to Europeans and Americans, hence low participation.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Well, it isn't Luftktyptonyte - last FNBF half the fighter escort for the VVS were 4./JG52, and a third of the bombers were 1./ZG1.

 

But there should be more VVS squadrons indeed, but the reason isn't irrelevance. After the end of the war, for many NATO countries communism became the plague, and similarly there was a need to rehabilitate part of the German armed forces for the new reformed military. Conversely, exploits of the Soviet air forces were not talked about at all (even though FDR for example named Pokryshkin "the best Allied pilot" before) while the Luftwaffe was shown in a positive light. Books were everywhere, their stories were told and so on.

 

In countries like France which honoured their Normandie pilots and where the popular opinion about communism and the Soviet Union were not so biased, you will find that the Allied air war in the Eastern Front was always relevant. Finland, which remained out of the Cold War and was friends with everyone, can appreciate it. Germany always focused on the East during the war, and this is still seen today. Many Warsaw pact countries were taught about Soviet air force exploits in detail and still honour that today. Not everyone followed the US and UK during those days, basically. The sad bit is that for some reason even after East-West hostilities stopped the West never bothered to re-evaluate their history books, while the East was ready to crosscheck everything and correct any oversights.

 

Rest assured once I free up the time to put together a squadron I will make sure to put up an opposition to the Luftwaffe squadrons, but I will still balance teams out whenever needed because, you know, why not?