Message for German pilots only

[69th_chuter]

Help the tanks.

 

Seriously, guys, the ONLY thing the Panzer IIIs have going for them against the T-34 is air support (and the T-34s have that, too).  On a good panzer III sortie I can knock out three or, maybe, four T-34s.  Today I went out in a T-34 and knocked out 27 panzer IIIs, panzer IVs and STuGs (some of them with HE at over 700 meters - it's enough to make you giddy).  The biggest problem for the T-34 is running out of ammo.

 

So, if you see a panzer way down there struggling against a T-34 (or maybe the panzer spawn point being camped), do ... well, drop a bomb or something.  Just askin'.

 

lol

 

Now I feel better.

[[CPT]milopugdog]

I'd love to, but for whatever reason, bomb are useless against tanks in this game.

I've survived an 1800kg bomb being dropped on top of me. I hate to say it, but the measly bombs that fighters carry won't do much.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Friendly advice from 'the other side': tanks need small but accurate bombs, as opposed to big bombs.

 

If you want to bust a T-34, take four 50kg bombs and drop them in a row. Start a little earlier than you think is needed, and finish a little later. Alternatively, dive-bomb and land a 250kg egg on it. All things considered however, it's probably better to be brave, take up the old Stuka with the 37mm gondolas and strike.

[Gunsmith86]

I'd love to, but for whatever reason, bomb are useless against tanks in this game.

I've survived an 1800kg bomb being dropped on top of me. I hate to say it, but the measly bombs that fighters carry won't do much.

 

That actualy is a real life problem that all nations had. Normal bombs were not very effectiv aginst tanks that was the main reason to develop the 37mm and 30mm antitank guns on the Ju87 and Hs 129. To destroy a tank with a SC 50 you need a direct hit on the traget. To take out a T-34 or Sherman tank crew the germans found out that one had to get the SC 50 closer than 3m from the tank and a SC 250 had to hit closer than 10m to kill the crew while in most of that cases the tank it self was repairable and could be used again after one or two days of repair.

Because of that Russia and Germany developed special small antitank bombs which had a hollow charge in the nose they were scattered offer a large area when droped each of them could pirce more than 60mm armour which is enough for all tanks that were than in use. The Russians used there bomb first in 1943 during Kursk the Germans followed in 1944 with there SD 4 HL.

Edited February 27, 2016 by Gunsmith86

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I jabo at least once a mission on the tank heavy maps. Placing an sc500 within a couple of meters of a T-34 will always kill or disable it. I only fail if it is more than 5-6 meters away. This is historically accurate. The only people to overclaim more than fighter pilots during the war were tank busters.

[7.GShAP/Silas]

As others have said, only specialized anti-armor bombs are useful against tanks(or very precise placement of larger ones) .  But cannons are always the best solution.  The 37mm leg guns for the Stuka and the 23mm/37mm cannons for the IL-2 are perfectly effective as long as you attack properly.

 

To be honest, the howls of rage from all pilots trying to bomb a tank is a large part of the satisfaction of tanking.

Edited February 27, 2016 by Silas

[Mac_Messer]

Sorry, no bombracks on my 109. I can`t bomb for _____ anyway so it`s a no-no.

[ShamrockOneFive]

This does bring up the question on if we're getting some of the other bomb types. We've got the general purpose bombs for both teams but some of the more specialized anti-tank loadouts would be good.

 

Are any of them in use during the Stalingrad battle or was everything developed for Kursk?

[7.GShAP/Silas]

This does bring up the question on if we're getting some of the other bomb types. We've got the general purpose bombs for both teams but some of the more specialized anti-tank loadouts would be good.

 

Are any of them in use during the Stalingrad battle or was everything developed for Kursk?

 

 

The Axis has semi-specialized anti-armor bombs represented in the game with the SD50s.  I'd love to see phosphorous canisters for the IL-2 and any tank-killing weapons the Axis had at hand.

Edited February 28, 2016 by Silas

[Gunsmith86]

This does bring up the question on if we're getting some of the other bomb types. We've got the general purpose bombs for both teams but some of the more specialized anti-tank loadouts would be good.

 

Are any of them in use during the Stalingrad battle or was everything developed for Kursk?

 

No the first anti-tankbombs have been used in the battle of Kursk.

 

The German SD 50 is no anti-tank bomb and also not very good at armour-piercing. The SD bombs are fragmentation bombs which creat a lot of fragments to be able to do that they have a thicker bomb case than the normal SC bombs which have more explosive inside. Since the effect that takes out the tank when no direct hit is accomplished is the pressure of the explosion which takes out the crew or kills them the SC bombs are better suited against tanks. The armour-piercing bombs called PC are designed to pentraded the armour of ships and bunkers and have to be droped from hights of 4000m - 7000m to develop enough speed when falling to be able to pirce thick armour or concrete. The smallest of the is a 500kg bomb which makes them useless against tanks.

the SD bombs are best used against cars, trucks, gun-positions and other equipment which has no armour or just very weak armour.

[BlitzPig_EL]

I loved those phosphorous canisters in old IL2.

 

I even got an air to air kill with them once.

 

A 109 was close and trying to do a head on with me, so I pulled up and toggled the canisters.

Burned the thing to a crisp.

 

We both had a good laugh about it too.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

They were so incredibly good, including for impromptu A-A

 

When there were VAP-250 canisters, PTAB-2.5s or AO-2.5s available you only had to sneak in down low, line up on the enemy column and in one pass you usually obliterated everything. This one Russian server had (has, factually, since it's still up and active) a Berlin map with some German target airfields which had loads of Bf-109s, Me-410s, Me-262s and the likes parked outside in groups. What a joy it was to bring an Il-2 or Il-10, dive down from 2000m and, with a decent altitude to assure spread, watch as they all exploded together.

 

That being said, I remember reading somewhere that the VAP-250 were not terribly effective against tanks, but worked better against soft targets and infantry. Few units actually used them anyway, from what I've read.

[Gunsmith86]

That being said, I remember reading somewhere that the VAP-250 were not terribly effective against tanks, but worked better against soft targets and infantry. Few units actually used them anyway, from what I've read.

 

The reason is that there are only to places on the tank were they could do damge and start a longer fire that destoyed the tank.

The first place is the inside were the crew is, to get there one of the hatchs had to be open. If they are closed  nothing would happen after the bomb burned out on the skin of the tank.

The second place is the engine room which could be set on fire if enough burning fluied get inside through the ventilation grille.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Personally I don't think shock waves and crew vitality are modeled corrcetly (AI and human tanks), otherwise you'd see huge bombs having clearly more efect on tanks within the blast radius.

 

Another thing that is absurd is the lack of ground deformation. You can drop a SC1800 on a tank that's perfectly in the middle of the blast radius only to see it driving on top of a huge damage decal. Imagine how fun it was to dig a nice big hole undernath the tank and watch it falling to doom

[wtornado]

Tank armor was very thin on top it it did get a direct hit by a 500lb bomb it was toast.

 

SC 500 KG bomb landing close to a tank most likely would of damaged it and incapacitated

the crew providing that the blast concussion did not kill them outright kill them inside the tank.

 

They recuperate many tanks during battles on all sides that did not mean the fate of the

crew ended well.

 

By memory was it not Panzer Lehr Div that was taken out of action with the carpet bombing of

Caen with just 500 lb bombs, Tiger tanks flipped over and crews incapacitated by ''shell shock''

and useless for combat.

 

Do not feel like googling hehehe.Going by memory.

 

Bombs should do much more damage.

 

It was Typhoon rockets that only hit tanks with a 3% success rate in hitting armor,but the psychological

damage far exceeded that with 80lbs of explosive at the end of a rocket

 

Just imagine 500ib and 1000lb bombs landing close within a 100 feet of you.

[Gunsmith86]

Tank armor was very thin on top it it did get a direct hit by a 500lb bomb it was toast.

Yes it is but to hit a moveing tank with a direct hit is not easy.

 

SC 500 KG bomb landing close to a tank most likely would of damaged it and incapacitated the crew providing that the blast concussion did not kill them outright kill them inside the tank.

We dont know how far away a SC 500 has to fall to do damage but i would expect it to be about 14-18m max.

If it hits more than 18m from the tank than i am very sure that the tank and crew would survive because the pressure wave of the bomb would have extended already to mutch and lost much of its power.

We know for the SC 250 its 10m or less and for the SC 50 3m or less.

 

 

They recuperate many tanks during battles on all sides that did not mean the fate of the crew ended well.

Thats right.

 

 

 

By memory was it not Panzer Lehr Div that was taken out of action with the carpet bombing of Caen with just 500 lb bombs, Tiger tanks flipped over and crews incapacitated by ''shell shock'' and useless for combat.

They also hit so many friendly troops that they couldn´t exploit the situation and if i remember correct they decided afterwards that they wouldn´t use carpet bombing for close support ever again. Also useing heavy bombs to kill a single tank is very expansive and you can only carry very limeted numbers per plane while with the small bombs one could carry hundrets of them and hit more tanks with a single attack in just a view seconds.

 

Bombs should do much more damage.

Don´t think so i belive they need more tuning in therms of damge they do to diffrent targets they are very basic like we have them now but that could be improved in time by the developers.

 

It was Typhoon rockets that only hit tanks with a 3% success rate in hitting armor,but the psychological damage far exceeded that with 80lbs of explosive at the end of a rocket

It would be a good thing if sometimes crews would leaf the tank after they are hit close to simulate psychological damage.

Edited February 29, 2016 by Gunsmith86