Flaps fixed?

[II./JG77_Manu*]

Just took the Yak and the IL-2 1941 for a spin against different AI aircraft.

They seem to have lost some of their magical flaps performance, at least it feels like. 

On the other hand i didn't fly against AI for quite a while, and they are pretty bad - so probably not a good benchmark for testing turn-fighting capabilities. 

But i noticed that you actually have to watch out not to stall your Yak, when abusing your flaps..that wasn't really the case before.

Did someone already make more "scientific" tests (for example testing sustained turn time/radius etc)? Or did someone use them against human players, and can say more? I won't be able to fly till Monday night, so i would appreciate it if some people could give their opinions regarding this issue the coming days. 

Thanks 

[Monostripezebra]

who needs flapz, when we got railz!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkAXLHDJm3c

 

 

on a serious note: I think they´ve gotten more realistic but it seems no gamechanger overall. So all should be happy.

Edited February 19, 2016 by Dr_Zeebra

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

You always crack me up Zeebra with those videos !  

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

DR.Zeebra and his physics experiments! lol

[II./JG77_Manu*]

on a serious note: I think they´ve gotten more realistic but it seems no gamechanger overall. So all should be happy.

ok i could free up some time and was in BoS duel server for quite a while..believe me, it is a game changer. Russian planes behave like proper aircraft now...it's damn awesome. The Yak is in no means a bad dogfighter now...but you can enter a dogfight against it in a E7, F2, F4 or Macchi,.. and have the upper hand, when flying properly.I also took the Yaks in vertical fights with the 190 (co-energy) and was successful, the Yak can no longer hang on it's prop with 0kph and move around like a turret. I am amazed right now..one of my biggest complaints of the game just got fixed. Where is the next party now 

Edited February 19, 2016 by II./JG77_Manu*

[TWC_Ace]

If that is the case Ill be starting IL2 BOS again....very nice news indeed...

[kendo]

That's good news.

 

Look forward now to the upcoming 109 F4/G2 stability fix.

 

And then....dare I mention ...the Fw190.....

Edited February 19, 2016 by kendo

[II./JG77_Manu*]

If that is the case Ill be starting IL2 BOS again....very nice news indeed...

believe me it is. I also took the Yak for a few spins, and i am - for the first time - no longer feelin like cheating when flying this plane against other humans. Makes your kills, manouvers etc way more rewarding 

[4thFG_Cap_D_Gentile]

If that is the case Ill be starting IL2 BOS again....very nice news indeed...

 

You'll be disappointed, drop the flaps and it turns, steady, like an A6M2 or Ki-43 would. Frustrating that it doesn't loose energy and fall out of the sky with flaps deployed. It turns with a light 109E with flaps retracted but drop them and it keeps turning inside the E with ease.

[Stig]

Already two different perceptions

[FuriousMeow]

 Frustrating that it doesn't loose energy and fall out of the sky with flaps deployed.

 

Based on what data?

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

believe me it is. I also took the Yak for a few spins, and i am - for the first time - no longer feelin like cheating when flying this plane against other humans. Makes your kills, manouvers etc way more rewarding 

Not trying to sound discredititn, just curious about what your expirience about it is. As far as I'm concerned I share Zebras point of view. Yes, flaps are slightly less efficient, yes, the aircraft will start to "wobble" / pseudo stall earlier when using flaps in high pitch angle climbs...but overall it still makes it a superbly stable gun platform for any type of condition.

 

That's from what I noticed in a quick solo with full fuel at least.

[150GCT_Veltro]

Not trying to sound discredititn, just curious about what your expirience about it is. As far as I'm concerned I share Zebras point of view. Yes, flaps are slightly less efficient, yes, the aircraft will start to "wobble" / pseudo stall earlier when using flaps in high pitch angle climbs...but overall it still makes it a superbly stable gun platform for any type of condition.

 

That's from what I noticed in a quick solo with full fuel at least.

 

And so? Is the Yak "stability" the problem? I don't think so. As stated above we need to wait for the 109 stability fix.

 

They are working to improve the game all around, 109 included. Be positive somentimes guys,

 

Regular tasks:

9. Correct 'jumpy' behavior of Bf 109 F4, G2 and F2 to resemble E7 behavior and check other planes;

Edited February 19, 2016 by 150GCT_Veltro

[Asgar]

i'mpretty sure this mean ground handling. and yes. the yak is to stable. i think the 109s handle just fine in the air, but the yak is way too stable. feels like it's driving on rails some times

Edited February 19, 2016 by I./JG3_Asgar

[Dr_Molenbeek]

Tried the Yak-1 quickly and i have not noticed any real difference.

 

Still able to make infinite super-stable turn at 200km/h (flaps are fully deployed at this speed) without problem, and become a I-153 when you pop them at high speed to make some UFO-turn.

 

[Edited]

Edited February 20, 2016 by Bearcat

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

And so? Is the Yak "stability" the problem? I don't think so. As stated above we need to wait for the 109 stability fix.

 

They are working to improve the game all around, 109 included. Be positive somentimes guys,

Depends. In some situation, especially in very slow, high pitch angle climbs, the Yak is still very stable with flaps. You have full controll authority at speeds as low as 60km/h, probably due to propwash.

 

 

i'mpretty sure this mean ground handling. and yes. the yak is to stable. i think the 109s handle just fine in the air, but the yak is way too stable. feels like it's driving on rails some times

Well it handles more realistic than the 109 F and 190 in terms of stability (with flaps retracted that is). People often misconcept more difficult as more realistic but indeed the 109 was reported to be very stable on the pitch and a superb gun platform. The Yak as well was praised for having pleasent and beginner friendly flight characteristics, which again stands in realtion to the expiriences of russian plilots with unstable designs such as the I-16.

 

If it wasn't for the flaps and the (to me slihgtly too high) energy rentention it would be my favourite russian aircraft in BoS for sure.

Edited February 19, 2016 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[Asgar]

Well it handles more realistic than the 109 F and 190 in terms of stability (with flaps retracted that is). People often misconcept more difficult as more realistic but indeed the 109 was reported to be very stable on the pitch and a superb gun platform. The Yak as well was praised for having pleasent and beginner friendly flight characteristics, which again stands in realtion to the expiriences of russian plilots with unstable designs such as the I-16.

i don't do that. i simply don't have any issues with the 109. people keep whining and i don't know why. the 109 flies great. The yak simply flies like on rails and considering that it's moving through air, which is usually moving itself, it's just unrealistic

Edited February 19, 2016 by I./JG3_Asgar

[kendo]

i'mpretty sure this mean ground handling. and yes. the yak is to stable. i think the 109s handle just fine in the air, but the yak is way too stable. feels like it's driving on rails some times

 

I don't think it refers to ground handling.

 

And while you may not have problems with the 109, judging from the number of forum posts that still appear on this, MANY others do.

 

 

 

So...what Is the situation with the Yak? Fixed or not?

 

Or are we seeing here merely the drawbacks of relying on pilot 'anecdotes'? Everyone has a different opinion...

Edited February 19, 2016 by kendo

[Alkyan]

The yak simply flies like on rails and considering that it's moving through air, which is usually moving itself, it's just unrealistic

Best flight dynamic explanation about plane stability I've read in a long time. You should be in charge of the FM team

[Blakhart]

"..." - deleted

 

Kill me plz, didnt knew we had update. !!!
I will check it now and report later.

Edited February 19, 2016 by =LG=Blakhart

[Alkyan]

You can still treat Yak-1 like a dirty "w%orE" without any consequence.

 

Tested in 1vs1 combat against human top virtual fighters.

Can you still lower your landing flap to gain an advantage ?

[Y-29.Silky]

 

Tried the Yak-1 quickly and i have not noticed any real difference.

 

Still able to make infinite super-stable turn at 200km/h (flaps are fully deployed at this speed) without problem, and become a I-153 when you pop them at high speed to make some UFO-turn.

 

Devs fixing an issue that most =FB= are abusing ? Must dream...

Wanna post a video? Last time I got in a dogfight using flaps in the Yak, I stalled and rolled in.

[Trinkof]

Yep, I noticed speed dropping quickly and yak stalling... Feels better and no more defying gravity!

[MadisonV44]

Welcome to real world guys ! 

[Blakhart]

Its getting better, still flying on flaps in Yak is smoother than in 109, but now you need to be a bit caerfull.

[F/JG300_Gruber]

i don't do that. i simply don't have any issues with the 109. people keep whining and i don't know why. the 109 flies great. The yak simply flies like on rails and considering that it's moving through air, which is usually moving itself, it's just unrealistic

 

Different people, different perceptions.

 

To me the 109s F and G are indeed less stable than the E7. And the yak for the little I fly it feels to me even less stable than them. 

The best gun platform for me so far is the 190, as long as you keep it above 350kph, it really feels like flying on rail.

[Jade_Monkey]

Clearly we are all flying with different hardware and different callibrantions/ sentitivity curves etc.

 

Add human subjectivity and we get a million different opinions on how the same planes fly.

[Trinkof]

Welcome to real world guys ! 

 

Not yet The jet engine of the F4 still need a good check

[Original_Uwe]

Not yet The jet engine of the F4 still need a good check

Lol [Edited]

Edited February 21, 2016 by Bearcat

[Dakpilot]

 

Not yet The jet engine of the F4 still need a good check

 

So does it's massive over performance in roll  

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[9./JG27DavidRed]

as a 109 only pilot i dont have any trouble anymore to turn with yaks now. even before the patch it was possible to turn with yaks, if the yak pilots made at least some little mistakes. now the yak flaps do really cause drag and thats how it should be. they are by no means bad turners now though.in proper hands they are still very very good, but now you get some very interesting dogfights...i dont know, for me thats the best patch ever since i entered the 777 il2 world...

 

i really hope, that the devs leave the flaps now as they are, as they seem to be very convincing now....

 

so in my opinion, yes the flaps are fixed.

Edited February 21, 2016 by 9./JG27DavidRed

[Guest deleted@50488]

Thx David... that made me want to try BoS again :-)

 

It's getting there, through small but effective and frequent updates :-)

 

I look forward for the adjustments to pitch stability, sideslip effects on rolling moment, possibility to manage fuel tanks...

[MK_RED13]

Finally...6-8 months Devs are saying "FLAPS OK... you are wrong"...... but saddenly they fixed them????

[mb339pan]

please dev fix flap on yakcopter yayaya

 

 

please "hardcore simmers" stop the witch hunt, stay calm end live in

Edited February 21, 2016 by 150GCT_Pan

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Sry, but your video shows you have little clue about what the issue really is.

Edited February 21, 2016 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

I don't know a 109 hanging in it's prop until 65 to 70 kph is kind of bs! 

Edited February 21, 2016 by 71st_Mastiff

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

I don't know a 109 hanging in n it's proper until 65 to 70 kph is kind of bs!

That's not prop hanging at all. He just climbed straight up wihtout controll inputs. If you take a paper plane and throw it straight upwards it doesn't stall and tumble down either.

 

If you however can hold it in a close to vertical attitude at below stall speed with still responding controlls and no stall tendency, as it was the case with the Yak, sth is wrong.

 

I've tested the 109 more than enought to know it was not anything like the Yak prior the patch.

Edited February 21, 2016 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[Asgar]

yeah, the only thing the video shows are some bad attempt at performing something similar to a hammerhead

[Turban]

Yak still op, needs more nerfs, bla bla bla...

 

Always the same discussions... Haven't tried the patch yet just hope the devs didn't go too far into trying to please the blues...

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

my oh my do the fangs come out on a 109 rap. like its shows, the weight to stall is way off. 65 to 70 KPH before it falls; come on now. I would believe 90 to 100 kph.

Edited February 21, 2016 by 71st_Mastiff