P 40 spin

[vx111vx111swift]

How do you keep the P40 from spinning on landing. Any way to lock the tail wheel??

Edited February 15, 2016 by vx111vx111swift

[Guest deleted@50488]

Sorry for hijacking the thread, but on the spin subject, I would also like to report that yesterday I experienced a really wild spin while flying... It was really difficult to get out of it, requiring a lot of cross controls and even aileron towards the spin direction!!!

 

Was the real thing this difficult to get out of a spin ?

 

 

http://www.warbirdforum.com/p40spin.htm

Edited February 15, 2016 by jcomm

[Dakpilot]

As far as I know the P-40 E was not certified for spins, of course that does not mean it couldn't or that they were not encountered but I imagine the certification reasons were due to it's well known stability issues (extended fuselage/tail and fillet etc. on the F model which never satisfactorily sorted it)

 

“In the hands of a skilled pilot, the P-40 could exceed its limitations and could out-maneuver and out-fight anything in the sky,” said Flying Tiger ace David L. “Tex” Hill in a 2005 interview. “It was sturdy and handled well, except in a spin, but you never piloted a P-40 without wishing you had something a little better.”

 

of course his quote must be taken into context of when he was operating the aircraft and this is probably not referring to the E model.

 

The late Erik Shilling posted the following on a Usenet news group in answer to a flight simmers question about how the P-36 differed from the P-40. (They are essentially the same airplane, the 36 with a radial engine and the 40 with a liquid-cooled, in-line Allison.) Comments in brackets [] are mine. -- Dan Ford

 

 

The spin characteristic of the P-36 was entirely different from that of the P-40; the spin/ snap roll of the P-36 was quite violent. I was unable to snap or spin any of the P-40B's that I had flown although I tried without success. The difference was due to a cuff place [placed] on the wing root of the P-40, but absent on the P-36.

Spin recovery for the P-36 was the standard NACA recovery. Flat spin recovery was pro spin: full aileron into the spin, stick full back, and rudder into the spin. When the [nose] dropped and normal spin developed, [standard] NACA recovery was used. [i reckon this is the spin recovery I was taught: power off, neutralize the stick, and kick full opposite rudder to the airplane's rotation. Once the plane stops spinning, be ready to counteract if it begins to spin in the other direction. Then pull back hard to recover from the dive.--DF]

However the P-40 had a vicious tumble (end over end) if a stall was entered into at a nose high position of about 60 degrees above the horizon.To recover from the tumble you reduced power and went along for the ride with all controls in neutral. After about 12,000 feet the nose settled into a vertical dive from which recovery was normal.

Erik

 

Again about P-40B but it appears spins were not it's preferred habitat, I remember reading similar about P40E's but cannot locate it for the moment so am only quoting from (unreliable) memory

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[HagarTheHorrible]

Not so much a hijack as a full on Invasion.

 

I think he was referring to the ground looping.

 

I think it was LukeFF who said that there are possible changes, generally speaking, not P40 specific, in an upcoming patch with regard to ground handling.

[Dakpilot]

Sorry i did not look to the top of the thread and thought this was one of the longer ones on the subject, so sorry for the off - topic

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/19436-p-40-ground-handling/?hl=%2Bgroundloop+%2Bp%26amp%3B%23820840&do=findComment&comment=305765

 

There is lots of other info in various P-40 threads as well, sometime it is hard to find good info using search function with P-40 due to three digit limitation of search engine and all the good info buried in threads with confusing titles

 

Cheers Dakpilot

Edited February 15, 2016 by Dakpilot

[HagarTheHorrible]

I'm only kidding. I think the clue might be the fact he asks about the tailwheel lock and that when he says spin it is just an accidental use of terminology. Then again I'm often wrong.

[AbortedMan]

I may be confusing this with the MiG-3, but the dev diary said the P-40 tail wheel moves with the rudder controls unless you go full left/right rudder to its limits in which it then goes back to unlocked/freewheel. Try not hitting the axes limit when correcting deviations.

[Dakpilot]

Yep tailwheel is steerable with rudder pedals, need to be aware of that 17.26 in vid below

 

 

And just for interest even though it has been posted before

 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[BlitzPig_EL]

"The Mustang is locked in cement compared to this thing..."

 

 

I do love me my P 40s.

[DD_Arthur]

I do love me my P 40s.

 

Here you go EL

 

[BlitzPig_EL]

Thanks!!!!

[vx111vx111swift]

Sorry I sis not get  back to this post sooner. PC problems. I was asking  about ground looping. I land ok but shortly afterwards  no control over plane. Increase in power only contributes to worse ground looping . I am sure it is something I am doing . Not certain of what . No other problems with other planes. BF 109 tends to do this also . But, increase in power prevents it. Not so with the P40 for me.