Is It Possible To Edit Official German Skins with a Swastika?

[smink1701]

Many of the official German skins are really well done but look wrong without the swastika.  Is it possible to add?  If so I wish someone would do so!

[Sokol1]

Is possible extract and edit the default skins, but can't load then again as "default", just manually like custom skins.

[PatrickAWlson]

My two cents, but I would rather have nothing on the tail at all rather than the broken line box.  Seeing that box is jarring.

[Sokol1]

This thing was elected by players vote in EA and as far I remember no option for "Cramon-Taubadel" tail, just different "box" shapes.

 

 

 

 

[Jade_Monkey]

I don't see how it is more offensive than a red star or any other symbol, but hey, i don't set the rules around here.

 

I see how having a censored option is good, especially for those who were impacted by WWII events more closely.

[PatrickAWlson]

I don't see how it is more offensive than a red star or any other symbol, but hey, i don't set the rules around here.

 

I see how having a censored option is good, especially for those who were impacted by WWII events more closely.

 

It's illegal in Germany.  The swastika is allowed only for documentaries or other educational purposes.  While we may consider BoS a simulation of history German law says it's entertainment and therefore not able to use the swastika.  So if 777 wants to sell in Germany - no swastika on the stock skins or anywhere else in the game.

[Sokol1]

In German and some others countries - including in this "corneroftheworld". 

 

IBL - Argument about this is "dead horse". As well expect changes in default skins. 

[Jade_Monkey]

It's illegal in Germany. The swastika is allowed only for documentaries or other educational purposes. While we may consider BoS a simulation of history German law says it's entertainment and therefore not able to use the swastika. So if 777 wants to sell in Germany - no swastika on the stock skins or anywhere else in the game.

I was aware of that.

 

It was more of a personal opinion than a request to implement the swastika as a default, which i couldnt care less for.

 

We can use custom skins to fulfill each players preferences.

[216th_Peterla]

I think is up to anyone taste. For me the placeholder we have right now is ok but I understand that some guys doesn't like it. I rather prefer that than an empty tail.

Anyway, there is nothing to do due to legality concerns.

The custom skins do the work.

Regards,

[Boomerang]

I would rather their be nothing on the tail at all also, but on the other hand, what we have at the moment identifies where this work has come from.

Regards

 

[A-E-Hartmann]

I put the Hakenkreuz because it was historic.  

[Mysticpuma]

I don't know the legalities of the Hakekreuz in Germany but whenever I download a skin I always choose the historic versions.

 

I presume giving the player the option within the game interface by using a switch to 'enable historic marking' would also be a breach of the rules.....but would it be possible to have a file to download from 777 that could be placed in the game folder to enable historic markings?

 

I wonder because by including it in the software they would, I presume, be selling the software against the rules but by players making the conscious decision to add it to their game by downloading it individually then.I can't see that causing issues?

 

Cheers, MP

[LukeFF]

Guys, it's simple - if you want skins with swastikas on them, download something from a third party. 1CGS isn't going to offer them, as they've explained multiple times. 

[Zargos]

I also think that regarding default skins, "nothing"  would have been better than this horrible fake.

As far as I'm concerned swastikas don't upset me as long as they are just considered as "historical parts" of the game but I fully respect those who cannot stand to see a swastika (whatever the reason).

So why not let the player decides what he wants ?

Displaying swastikas could be an option of the game as it was in former IL-1946.

 

By the way, I never asked me if I should make "swastika free" versions of my german skins ?

What do you think of that ?

Edited February 12, 2016 by UF_Zargos

[Danziger]

I don't really get all of the fuss. You can have it any way you want. If you like swastikas there are tons of skins to download with historical swastikas or you can extract the default skin and paint a swastika on it. If you prefer no marking then it's easy to erase. Most people understand why swastikas are not stock in the game and we are quite fine with the simulated version. I don't think the devs would want to leave it blank because it needs some sort of national marking. It's the same with the medals. It may be an immersion killing game breaker for someone who wants to live out every detail of their WW2 German fantasies but for the vast majority it isn't a problem.

[Yakdriver]

Many of the official German skins are really well done but look wrong without the swastika.  Is it possible to add?  If so I wish someone would do so!

Back to the original Question...

 

No, the official skins can not be changed to have the swastika,

[smink1701]

Back to the original Question...

 

No, the official skins can not be changed to have the swastika,

Thanks H-T.  Simple answer to a simple question!

[Yakdriver]

I am always sad when someone comes with a straight, fairly simple tech question, and all he gets is a Bomb bay full of preferences, opinions and arguments.

I see only one major reason you could have asked this question for - (because you are most likely familiar with downloadable skins, big skinpacks for online play and such.)
--> In the campaign, you and your wingmen have to use a politically correct Paintjob.

If i guess right and that is what bugs you...
may i suggest "PWCG" - a campaign generator where you can assign a historically accurate Paintjob to your AI Squadmates, individually even.
It gives you a Heinkel Full of options, just like good old Lowengrin´s DCG.

[SharpeXB]

Artistically I like the 1CGS solution for the symbol. An "X" or diamond or blank just looks graphically unsophisticated. The current solution looks nice and complies with all the laws.

And players are always free to download custom skins.

[CraigNT55]

Is possible extract and edit the default skins, but can't load then again as "default", just manually like custom skins.

Hi Sokol1,

How do I extract the default skins so I can edit them and reload them as a custom skin?

Thanks for your answer,

Cheers!

- CraigNT55

[SJ_Butcher]

should be a tick to enable or disable if you are to "sensitive" about a symbol, I like historical accuracy and I don't like a bunch of burocrats decide over what I think is offensive and what is not.

[Yakdriver]

Law and business outrule that option...

[SharpeXB]

IL-2 Wings of Prey had an “Historical Decals” setting. This along with an EULA agreement if I recall. Whether that solution is workable today who knows?

[Wolfram-Harms]

Gents, it is not a decision by the devs to censor the swastika - it is a legal matter: they cannot provide us

with this specific historical emblem, because the law in Germany and other countries does not allow that.

The sim would not be allowed for sale.

 

I hate censorship, and I also hate it in this case.

But the censorship comes from the laws of those countries; not from the developers of IL-2.

 

I think they do the most they possibly can by allowing the posting of screenshots with swastikas in the "spoiler" box.

If we want to change that, we'd have to write to our politicians - rather than to complain towards the IL-2-team.

 

 

[Junjun_Nikurasu]

On 2/13/2016 at 1:57 AM, A-E-Hartmann said:

I put the Hakenkreuz because it was historic.  

 

Well that where we differ, we can only do but to agree or for me is to DISAGREE.

 

(BTW): "no pun intended".  But no seriously I was just being honest.

[RideroftheMark]

On 3/5/2018 at 7:37 AM, Wolfram-Harms said:

Gents, it is not a decision by the devs to censor the swastika - it is a legal matter: they cannot provide us

with this specific historical emblem, because the law in Germany and other countries does not allow that.

The sim would not be allowed for sale.

 

I hate censorship, and I also hate it in this case.

But the censorship comes from the laws of those countries; not from the developers of IL-2.

 

I think they do the most they possibly can by allowing the posting of screenshots with swastikas in the "spoiler" box.

If we want to change that, we'd have to write to our politicians - rather than to complain towards the IL-2-team.

 

 

Couldn't be better explained, I think the same.

[Thad]

For anybody interested, there is a mod in the Mods section of our forums that provides a historical version of most default skins. 

[RideroftheMark]

On 12/28/2018 at 6:40 AM, Thad said:

For anybody interested, there is a mod in the Mods section of our forums that provides a historical version of most default skins. 

I'll check that out, thanks!

[Elem]

On ‎12‎/‎31‎/‎2018 at 2:47 AM, BrianBf109 said:

I'll check that out, thanks!

 

[Grobby]

For your information:

On the 10th of August 2018, German authorities abolished the intediction to use swastikas in video games under condition that they are used for Art , Sciences or eductional purposes.

Regards