Ju-88 Discussion/Tips-and-tricks

[Yogiflight]

Yes, it was meant to dive, that`s why it had divebrakes under the wings, and sometimes, if not most times it was equipped with STUVI, the holder of which you can see above the REVI.

And yes the Linsenlafetten were turnable and of course in case of defense they were both manned, because when you fight for life you won`t let one of two machineguns unused, so the right one was fired by the navigator, who would have been absolutely unusefull, sitting behind the forward machinegun, when the aircraft was attacked from behind.

[JG1_Vonrd]

Just want to share sth interesting, According to Ju88 pilots' memories on east front, they dived the ju88 at 70° in a lot cases even though the allowable angle is 50-60°.

 

I keep jamming the airbrakes even with throttles at idle and angle less than 50 deg. Start of dive appx 350 kph. What am I doing wrong? (Only about 4 tries so far... going to try some more)

 

Edit:

 

OK... starting at 5K meters, 300 kph... dive angle 70... airbrakes jam well before in drop range... they seem to jam at about 630 - 640 kph. The max dive angle seems to be 40 deg, though 50% of the time I exceeded the jam speed after the drop. Seems like 30 deg is the safe max. (A basic glide bomb attack). 

 

Seems like the airbrakes aren't effective as they should be.  

Edited April 2, 2016 by JG1_Vonrd_J10

[1./ZG1_ElHadji]

I keep jamming the airbrakes even with throttles at idle and angle less than 50 deg. Start of dive appx 350 kph. What am I doing wrong? (Only about 4 tries so far... going to try some more)

 

Edit:

 

OK... starting at 5K meters, 300 kph... dive angle 70... airbrakes jam well before in drop range... they seem to jam at about 630 - 640 kph. The max dive angle seems to be 40 deg, though 50% of the time I exceeded the jam speed after the drop. Seems like 30 deg is the safe max. (A basic glide bomb attack). 

 

Seems like the airbrakes aren't effective as they should be.  

 

Don't quote me on this, but I believe that the max dive speed was around 575 kph with airbrakes deployed for the Ju 88.

[1./ZG1_ElHadji]

It is possible to punish the Ju 88 quite a bit:

 

[Fern]

The gunner stations on the 88 seem to be broke. Anyone else have problems?

Edited April 3, 2016 by Fern

[Jade_Monkey]

The gunner stations on the 88 seem to be broke. Anyone else have problems?

no problems

[andyw248]

It is possible to punish the Ju 88 quite a bit:

 

Nice video, but just so you know:

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Nice video, but just so you know:

f) special flight attitudes:

No inverted flying, because engine lubrication systems are not suiteable for it.

Aerobatics on the other hand, even if briefly leading to inverted attitudes, can be executed.

 

 

Not saying you're wrong. I thinkn my excerp may be from a Ju-88 A-1 manual (gathered it some time ago) so requirements and safety margins may have changed later on.

Edited April 3, 2016 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[1./ZG1_ElHadji]

Nice video, but just so you know:

 

 

 

Not saying you're wrong. I thinkn my excerp may be from a Ju-88 A-1 manual (gathered it some time ago) so requirements and safety margins may have changed later on.

 

Verdammt! Should have read that before I took it out for a spin. They took my Ju 88 and now I am piloting this...

 

Edited April 3, 2016 by -=XBOYZ=-ElHadji

[1./ZG1_ElHadji]

The gunner stations on the 88 seem to be broke. Anyone else have problems?

 

They seem to be working fine for me. Both when I man them myself and when the AI is using them. What exactly are you having trouble with?

[Jade_Monkey]

Verdammt! Should have read that before I took it out for a spin. They took my Ju 88 and now I am piloting this...

 

Is that a landmine near the donkey's rear??

[1./ZG1_ElHadji]

It looks like a anti-tank mine. By the looks of it a Tellermine 42.

 

[andyw248]

 

 

They took my Ju 88 and now I am piloting this...

 

[GridiroN]

I took the Ju88 out for a spin and other than being next to impossible to get off the ground smoothly without some serious left/right braking skills and throttle control, it's a pretty cool plane. 

 

I couldn't find any controls for it's radiator though and I couldn't find anything in the keymapping, but ill try again tonight most likely. 

 

I'm unsure how such a large plane was expected to divebomb and not get torn to shreds by AA. 

Edited April 3, 2016 by GridiroN

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

I'm unsure how such a large plane was expected to divebomb and not get torn to shreds by AA. 

That kind of was the reason for dive bombing becoming a rarity with Ju-88s in 1942 onwards. The dive bomber units suffered horrendos losses during the BoB due to heavy Flak. As result Ju-88s had to pull out from a dive attack from too high altitudes which made them inaccurate and ineffective in comparison to the smaller, more agile Ju-87.

 

Later on Ju-88s were used as level bombers with removed dive breaks mainly, even though some still kept the auto pullout mechanic until 1944.

[RCAF-De_Havilland]

anyone have tips on taxing it and taking off,i can't seem to get her up without skidding everywhere or doing doughnuts

[Asgar]

100% rpm, 30-35% throttle, don't touch the rudder and just tap the breaks to steer. i think that works just perfect

[Matt]

For taking-off, hold full left rudder, then increase throttle to maximum. As soon as the nose wants to move to the left, counter with a bit of right rudder to keep it straight. I only use brakes for taxiing. 

[Asgar]

i used to do what Matt describes for take-off, but for the last couple of take-offs i switched to completely ignore the rudder for the beginning and use ever so slight taps on the brakes to keep her straight in the beginning and switch to rudder one the tails starts to lift. i got perfect straight take-offs like that. I see if i can upload a video of that in the next minutes.

[1./ZG1_ElHadji]

100% rpm, 30-35% throttle, don't touch the rudder and just tap the breaks to steer. i think that works just perfect

 

Exactly how I do it. 100% RPM and then throttle up up 45-50% to get the plane rolling and then reduce to 30-35%. Then I work the throttle in that interval and tap the brakes. Strange though since that is not how it is supposed to be done. According to the flight manuals you are supposed to taxi using rudder and not brakes...

[Asgar]

 the Flight Manual Nazi is not going to be happy with the two of us    but who cares as long as it works 

Edited April 3, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Asgar

[LukeFF]

The prohibition on not using the brakes during taxiing probably had to with not wearing them out prematurely. 

[andyw248]

Use differential throttle if you have a throttle quadrant. At the beginning of the takeoff run, while smoothly pushing forward the two throttle levers, I give the right engine a tiny little bit more power than the left engine; once there is enough speed for the rudder to react to small inputs I keep the levers equal for the rest of their forward transit to full power. Don't have to use any brakes with this method.

[[DBS]Prody]

What's your experience in regard to the sturdiness of the plane ? I had some really unpleasant surprises with my wing being ripped off two times by enemy fighters in the first seconds of the engagement, so far it looks like Bf110 wings v 2.0 .

[Jade_Monkey]

What's your experience in regard to the sturdiness of the plane ? I had some really unpleasant surprises with my wing being ripped off two times by enemy fighters in the first seconds of the engagement, so far it looks like Bf110 wings v 2.0 .

Its been the opposite for me. Takes quite a bit of damage and gets me home safe.

[Haza]

The gunner stations on the 88 seem to be broke. Anyone else have problems?

 

Fern,

 

Make sure that the pilot's side window is closed.  I have reported this as an issue as I believe with his window open you can't man the guns!

 

Regards

 

Haza

[[DBS]Prody]

i never understood why you start on the taxi way with that window open, it's not like the pilot enters the plane through the window , many times you forget to close it

[GridiroN]

Exactly how I do it. 100% RPM and then throttle up up 45-50% to get the plane rolling and then reduce to 30-35%. Then I work the throttle in that interval and tap the brakes. Strange though since that is not how it is supposed to be done. According to the flight manuals you are supposed to taxi using rudder and not brakes...

 

Why would you ever want to use 30% throttle on take-off when it's cruising speed is 1.15ATA which is like 70-75%'ish in game?  Take off requires *more* power, not less... #DeeplyConfused (??) 

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

Why would you ever want to use 30% throttle on take-off when it's cruising speed is 1.15ATA which is like 70-75%'ish in game? Take off requires *more* power, not less... #DeeplyConfused (??)

I think he is talking about taxing

[ShamrockOneFive]

Question for folks who are dedicated bomber pilots. How do you compare and contrast the He111 and Ju88 in this game. Is the Ju88 absolutely superior or are there reasons for you to take the He111 out instead?

[GridiroN]

Question for folks who are dedicated bomber pilots. How do you compare and contrast the He111 and Ju88 in this game. Is the Ju88 absolutely superior or are there reasons for you to take the He111 out instead?

For making it home, I want a he111. For actually completing a mission and making sure the target is dead, ju88.

 

He111 climbs like a brick..it makes me anxious how badly it climbs.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

Question for folks who are dedicated bomber pilots. How do you compare and contrast the He111 and Ju88 in this game. Is the Ju88 absolutely superior or are there reasons for you to take the He111 out instead?

 

I wouldn't take the 111 over the 88 although at the moment we seem to have experienced our gunners shooting other 88s in formation....possibly due to the guns over heating and spray rounds all over the place? The 88 is much faster and it's climb rate is fantastic even with a bomb load. We take it up to 4k and level bomb from that altitude most times....in the 111 it seems to take forever. Dive bombing in the 88 is a lot of fun but we generally stick with level bombing at the moment. 

i never understood why you start on the taxi way with that window open, it's not like the pilot enters the plane through the window , many times you forget to close it

 

Normally someone asks you if you have your window open after you have been shouting on Teamspeak for 5-10 minutes 

[Jade_Monkey]

For making it home, I want a he111. For actually completing a mission and making sure the target is dead, ju88.

 

That makes no sense to me. The Ju88 is faster, nimbler and well protected. The He111 is a sitting duck.

 

For me there is no more reason to take the he111. The ju88 is more versatile and can level bomb just like the He, but can also dive bomb.

 

In terms of bombload, it has enough capacity to take on multiple targets, so you arent missing out on much compared to the he111.

 

It's the perfect plane for me. Really love it.

[GridiroN]

That makes no sense to me. The Ju88 is faster, nimbler and well protected. The He111 is a sitting duck.

 

For me there is no more reason to take the he111. The ju88 is more versatile and can level bomb just like the He, but can also dive bomb.

 

In terms of bombload, it has enough capacity to take on multiple targets, so you arent missing out on much compared to the he111.

 

It's the perfect plane for me. Really love it.

As per my experience thus far (and I could be wrong, or a matter of coincidence), but the armour on the 88 feels like tinfoil. I can take quite a beating in a 111 and still fly home even if I got hit more.

 

I've lost an engine in the 111 and still made the several kilometer trip home.

Edited April 11, 2016 by GridiroN

[6./ZG26_Emil]

As per my experience thus far (and I could be wrong, or a matter of coincidence), but the armour on the 88 feels like tinfoil. I can take quite a beating in a 111 and still fly home even if I got hit more.

 

I've lost an engine in the 111 and still made the several kilometer trip home.

 

I think Klaus managed a single engine flight home but the 111 is probably easier to nurse back....it's got huge wings with more lift.

 

I'll leave that for the experts but it's an interesting quiestion

[GridiroN]

I think Klaus managed a single engine flight home but the 111 is probably easier to nurse back....it's got huge wings with more lift.

 

I'll leave that for the experts but it's an interesting quiestion

The He111 has 78 ft² of square wing

 

The Ju88 has 65 ft² of square wing

 

I would make sense that that 111 would have more lift as it's wings have a much larger surface area. Although, according to wikipedia, both aircrafts have a maximum take-off weight of 30,800(+/-)lbs, but the 88 climbs much better, so I suppose the only explanation would be the Jumo 211 having better characteristics for pulling heavy weight than the DB600 series powerplants??

 

Edit: So, according to Wikipedia which references documented notes from Heinkel, the He111's rate of climb should be 259.25 MPS. The Ju88's is 235 MPS but has a much higher service ceiling.

 

Perhaps the He111 needs a FM pass..?

Edited April 12, 2016 by GridiroN

[Matt]

The He 111 is much heavier with full fuel tanks and they both have the same engines, so it's no real surprise that the Ju 88 climbs much better when both are fully loaded.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

The Ju-88 uses the Jumo 211J with intercooler while the He-111 H-6 is fittez with Jumo 211F engines (slightly weaker than J, worse high altitide performence).

 

The Ju-88 does not climb much bezter at combat loadout. I'm usially getting around 5m/s which is the same as the Heinkel, but you can climb the 88 at much higher airspeed (250 vs 280-300km/h).

 

On a downside, I feel landing and takeoff distances are im favour of the Heinkel.

[[DBS]Prody]

The Ju88 is fast , very stable and quite maneuverable in the air and has some interesting bomb-loads , that provides  a nice flexibility . Now, the fact that is fast is quite a big advantage in getting back home or when doing low altitude or dive bombing and you want to get to the target asap . However , if you want to do high-altitude bombing and the target is not really far away you might not find the speed such a big advantage because you don't have enough time to climb to safe altitudes of 4500m + . Of course is very important if you have a couple of friends with you in a formation - solo enemy fighters are not so scary as when you are flying by yourself, in that case you can fly at a lower altitude  .

The He111 can sustain more damage ( i don't see one of my wings being torn to pieces every day as i see when flying the 88 ) , has better visibility from the pilot seat, it's way easier to taxi , better control on the runaway when taking off , shorter landing distance and overall more stable on the ground -so i don't think the Ju88 will turn the He111 obsolete , they  fit very well one next to another in the Axis's arsenal .

If flying solo is simply a matter of taste and some luck in avoiding detection, if flying in formation on a mission it's the wing leader's job to choose the best option according to the target and expected enemy opposition , all bomber fans should master both aircraft .

Edited April 12, 2016 by [DBS]Prody

[=SqSq=Sulaco]

The gunner stations are bugged, sometimes when manned by a human player (pilot or co-op partner) they aren't interactible, it's hit and miss as sometimes they work just fine, not sure what causes the issue but if you try out all of the different stations once in awhile you'll notice it most notably with the upper twin turret.