Ju-88 Discussion/Tips-and-tricks

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

Hello

 

So I thought it could be nice with an Ju-88 thread(haven't seen one so far) with discussions and tips like how to fly it and how to operate it. 

 

I know its not out yet but it will be soon and it would be good to know stuff like what engine settings you should use before we can fly it so you get to know her a bit.

 

Also tips for how to be most effective, best dive bombing tactic, best maneuvers and formations for pure defence, landing speeds etc

 

I guess some people here got experience with the 88 in CLOD and while its not the same model, I guess it sill got some similarities

Edited February 8, 2016 by 6./ZG26_McKvack

[StG2_Juuti]

In my opinion we could'n compare the operational tactics between CloD and BOM. We have different fighter opponents. In CloD we can hit JU88 with 303 Remington. In BOS the 23mm WJa knocked down this big targed in seconds.

Edited February 8, 2016 by StG2_Juuti

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Engine settings are the same as for the Ju-87 and He-111 (all three are Jumo 211 powered):

 

     Start- und Notleistung                    1.40 ata       2600RPM     (1min)

(Takeoff and Emergency Power)

 

Steig- und Kampfleistung                    1.25 ata        2400RPM      (30min)

(Climb- and Combat Power)

 

Höchstzulässige Dauerleistung            1.15 ata       2250 RPM

(maximum Continous Power)

 

Some Docs:

 

Ju-88 Pilot Notes (in english)

Ju-88PilotsNotes.pdf

 

Ju88 Exerzierkarte (operation instructions)

http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.de/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/j/Junkers/Ju%2088/Exerzier-Karte%20Ju%2088%20A-4.pdf

 

Ju88 A-4 Bedienungsvorschrift (1941)

http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.de/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/j/Junkers/Ju%2088/Ju%2088%20A-4%20Bedienungsanleitung%20FL.pdf

 

Ju88 A-4 and other variants Bedienungsvorschrift

http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.de/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/j/Junkers/Ju%2088/LDv2088A4%20Ju88%20Baumuster%20Fl.pdf

Edited February 8, 2016 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

 

In my opinion we could'n compare the operational tactics between CloD and BOM. We have different fighter opponents. In CloD we can hit JU88 with 303 Remington. In BOS the 23mm WJa knocked down this big targed in seconds.

 

Yea I know but I thought there might be some smilirarities but thanks for the answer as I dont know a lot about the 88

 

 

 

-snip-

 

 

Thanks for this

Edited February 8, 2016 by 6./ZG26_McKvack

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Technically when Ju-88 will be framed in BoM, where all Soviet fighters have by default machine guns (2x7.62+1x12.7, 4x7.62 and 6x12.7), it's closer to 8x.303 than 1x23mm

[Yogiflight]

Hopefully it will be possible, That both rearguns are fired at the same time, either the left one fired by AI radio operator, while the right one is fired by the player as navigator, who left his seat to support the radio operator with defensive fire, or in MP, two players, each firing one gun.

BTW I`ve read somewhere, that after structural damages it was forbidden, to dive with 90°, the highest diveangle was just 60°, then it won`t be to easy to hit the targets without STUVI. Does someone know something about that?

[Dakpilot]

Don't tell anyone,     but the JU-88 was designed by an American..so after the P-40 we have a second US aircraft in the game 

 

 

Al Gassner

 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Asgar]

don't get carried away here mate...he helped design the fuselage structure. that's pretty much all hi involvement was from what i read.

[StG77_Kondor]

Don't tell anyone,     but the JU-88 was designed by an American..so after the P-40 we have a second US aircraft in the game 

 

 

Al Gassner

 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

About as American designed as the T-34...

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

To get it on track again I'll add some more stuff regarding armarment:

 

Ju-88 A-1, A-5 Handbuch Abwurfanlage

http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.de/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/j/Ju%2088/Abwurfwaffenanlage%20Ju%2088.pdf

 

 

(An interesting side note, the manual states permission for dive bombing at 50° dive angle ; as far as I know vertical dives were forbidden)

 

Ju-88 Bedienungs- und Beladevorschrift für die Abwurfwaffe ETC50 (50kg bombs)

http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.de/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/j/Junkers/Ju%2088/Ju%2088%20A%20-%20Heft%20d%20ETC%2050.pdf

 

Ju-88 Bedienungs- und Beladevorschrift der Abwurfwaffenanlage PC1000RS (1000kg armour piercing bomb)

http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.de/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/j/Junkers/Ju%2088/Ju%2088%20A%20Heft%20c%20PC%201000%20RS.pdf

 

Ju-88 Flugzeughandbuch Sonderwaffenanlage MG81Z (MG81 underwing gunpods as the ones from the Ju87)

http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.de/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/j/Junkers/Ju%2088/Ju%2088%20A_4%20Teil%2012_C%20Heft.pdf

 

Ju-88 A-4 und D-1 Bedienungsvorschrift Schusswaffenanlage (board defensive armarment only)

http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.de/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/j/Junkers/Ju%2088/Ju%2088%20A-4%20D-1%20Bedienvorschrift-Wa.pdf

[Dakpilot]

   Oddly enough, the Ju 88 has American roots. It was designed by a USA citizen Alfred Gassner and W. H. Evers who had spent time in the United States working for American aircraft manufactures. Both were employed by Junkers to design the new bomber and work was initiated on January 15, 1936. The prototype was scheduled to be completed in nine months and the inaugural flight of the Ju 88V1, which bore the civil registration D-AQEN, was flown on December 21, 1936, by Junkers chief test pilot FlugkapitänKinderman. Upon completion of the prototype, Alfred Gassner returned to the United States and W. H. Evers was pushed to the side and never given any official recognition for his part in the creation of the aircraft.

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

interesting. Keep em coming guys

 

Do the A4 use belt feed machine guns or magazine type guns or maybe its not up to the model but the gun?

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

If Wikipedia is to be trusted they are all belt-fed MG 81s, but I'm sure more informed people can give better information on this

[LukeFF]

MG 81s would be correct for the default armament, yes. That is confirmed in the German wartime manuals. In addition (also confirmed in German manuals and frontline photos), a pair of MG 15s was sometimes added to the sides of the canopy (one on each side). 

 

Beyond that, MG 131s sometimes were used to replace the MG 81s. So, we could end up with a crazy amount of armament variations & unlocks.

Edited February 8, 2016 by LukeFF

[Asgar]

i'm sure Han denied MG 131 several times...sadly

[LukeFF]

i'm sure Han denied MG 131 several times...sadly

 

Negative, he said MG FF/M.

[Asgar]

i asked him...about MG 131 in He 111 and Ju 88...and he said no...so...yes he denied it. and i wasn't the only one asking for it. he denied it multiple times

[LukeFF]

i asked him...about MG 131 in He 111 and Ju 88...and he said no...so...yes he denied it. and i wasn't the only one asking for it. he denied it multiple times

 

Link?

[Asgar]

 

McKvack, on 25 Oct 2015 - 15:32, said:

I got 2 questions about the Bf-110 and Ju-88.

What kind of rear gunner armament will they have? Will we see the rear double station mg-15 and Mg-131 for the Ju-88?

110: single MG15 for rear gunner

 

88:

single MG81 ahead

pair of MG81 for upper-rear

twin MG81Z for lower-rear

Edited February 9, 2016 by I./JG3_Asgar

[LukeFF]

 

 

McKvack, on 25 Oct 2015 - 15:32, said:

110: single MG15 for rear gunner

 

88:

single MG81 ahead

pair of MG81 for upper-rear

twin MG81Z for lower-rear

 

 

Great, but he says nothing there about possible alternate loadouts, so it's entirely possible we will see MG 131s replacing the MG 81s. It would be no different than what we have with the He 111.

[Asgar]

Will we see the rear double station mg-15 and Mg-131 for the Ju-88?

that was the question...it was specifically asked for the 131...I'm sure he would've mentioned it if it would be available

[LukeFF]

Will we see the rear double station mg-15 and Mg-131 for the Ju-88?

 

that was the question...it was specifically asked for the 131...I'm sure he would've mentioned it if it would be available

 

 

Now I see what you mean. My apologies. 

[Dutchvdm]

I'm intrigued by the 4/50 ETC racks shown on the screenshots last week. I really hope this does not mean we get only external racks and the internal bays will be used for fuel only.

 

Grt Martijn

[Yogiflight]

Wouldn`t make any sense to use the internal bays for additional fuel, for what? to fly twenty times around the map? For the missions you can fly on the maps in game, ten percent of the fuel is enough. I think the external racks are ment additional.

[Asgar]

i hope so, that would make an amazing bomb carpet. 16 external 50s + 28 internal 50s bombs for days

[Aap]

As the image posted by Stab/JG26_5tuka shows, the external racks are meant for big bombs, internal bays are meant for 50 kg bombs.

[II./JG77_Manu*]

   Oddly enough, the Ju 88 has American roots. It was designed by a USA citizen Alfred Gassner and W. H. Evers who had spent time in the United States working for American aircraft manufactures. Both were employed by Junkers to design the new bomber and work was initiated on January 15, 1936. The prototype was scheduled to be completed in nine months and the inaugural flight of the Ju 88V1, which bore the civil registration D-AQEN, was flown on December 21, 1936, by Junkers chief test pilot FlugkapitänKinderman. Upon completion of the prototype, Alfred Gassner returned to the United States and W. H. Evers was pushed to the side and never given any official recognition for his part in the creation of the aircraft.

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

So if i go to Toyota now, and help design a new car for them, this car is German? [Edited] 

Edited February 10, 2016 by Bearcat

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Looks like Asgar is correct, the Ju88 A-4 could be fitted with ECT 50 wing mounts containing 4 bombs on each external bomb attachment (makes 16 in total)

The downside of this is though that all 4 ETCs were triggered simultaneously, means you will always have to drop 4 bombs at once.

 

For more detail see the Ju-88 Bedienungs- und Beladevorschrift für die Abwurfwaffe ETC50 posted above.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

American roots does not equal American the BT-7 has American roots too, even if it is ultimately Soviet.

[Dutchvdm]

Wouldn`t make any sense to use the internal bays for additional fuel, for what? to fly twenty times around the map? For the missions you can fly on the maps in game, ten percent of the fuel is enough. I think the external racks are ment additional.

 

I believe it was not uncommon to use at least one bay for external fuel (Mostly the first one). In the sim this might not be useful but it would be historical accurate. 

 

Range of the Ju-88 with only wing tanks wasn't great. 

 

Grt Martijn

Edited February 9, 2016 by martijnvdm

[Asgar]

the first one really?  front bomb bay has 18 bombs, rear has 10. that would mean only 10 bombs left plus what ever external load. i think it's more likely they used the rear bay for fuel. 

[Dutchvdm]

the first one really?  front bomb bay has 18 bombs, rear has 10. that would mean only 10 bombs left plus what ever external load. i think it's more likely they used the rear bay for fuel. 

 

I know it's kind of strange. I haven't studied this much, but on this is what i find when searching internet sources (Maybe not the most reliable source...)

 

Grt Martijn

[Asgar]

interesting. in any case, i'm sure we'll get the option to fly without any additional fuel tanks. the distances we fly in game most of the time don't really need extra fuel

[Dutchvdm]

I hope you are right. I also posted it as a question in the developer thread.

 

Grt M

[Yogiflight]

When I read the drawing correct, 5tuka posted in #10, then the rear bombbay had only eight 50kg bombs inside, the two more were hanging on an external rack between the two doors.

The using of the front bay for fuel could have been the reason for taking additional 50kg bombs externally, because it would not make to much sense to fly large distance for just 10 50kg bombs.

[Asgar]

stukas schematic says M1 (front bay) 18x50 and M2 (rear bay) 10x50. same as all the sources i ever read. 28x 50 total for internal bomb load

 

 

btw. can we assume 2.8 tons will be the max load? a 1800kg + 1000kg?

Edited February 9, 2016 by I./JG3_Asgar

[Dakpilot]

So if i go to Toyota now, and help design a new car for them, this car is German? Dakpilot logic 

 

Don't be a [Edited], I said it was designed by an American. 

 

Did I say it was not made by Junkers? do you seriously think I suggested that the JU-88 is in fact an American aircraft

 

I really think you need to work on your comprehension of humour and not worry about my logic

 

Cheers Dakpilot

Edited February 9, 2016 by Bearcat

[II./JG77_Manu*]

Don't be a [Edited], I said it was designed by an American. 

 

Did I say it was not made by Junkers? do you seriously think I suggested that the JU-88 is in fact an American aircraft

 

I really think you need to work on your comprehension of humour and not worry about my logic

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

 

so after the P-40 we have a second US aircraft in the game

Edited February 9, 2016 by Bearcat

[Yogiflight]

Nope, front bay is M1, rear is M2. M2 is divided in numbers 5,6,7. Numbers 5 and 6 are the internal bays left and right in the fuselage, while number 7 is an external rack in the middle of the fuselage, explained with "7 Gerüst 2 Schloß 50/X" in the lower right corner.

The side bays in the front and rear had only place for 4 bombs each and the two middle bays in the front for 5 bombs, I guess.

OK, I just read the instructions. Indeed all ten rear bombs are inside the bomb bay.

Second thing I read there, the front bay could only be used together with rear bay, only rear bay was usable alone, for the case of using front bay for additional fuel. (Rüstsatz B1, B for Behälter)

Edited February 9, 2016 by Yogiflight

[Dakpilot]

Manu*,    if you are going to quote me please do it in full

 

now you are just spamming the thread

 

back to topic

 

Cheers Dakpilot