SOLIDKREATE Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 So sad man but the important thing is the pilot lived. 2
=362nd_FS=Hiromachi Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 That's the 3rd crash of P-51 C in that camo that I know of. Bad karma or what ... But they say Allisons are cheap, so no worries, it will be flying soon.
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) C model is Merlin engined, no? Too bad on the AC. Edited February 4, 2016 by [LBS]HerrMurf
216th_Lucas_From_Hell Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 Definitely Merlin, by default Allison-engined Mustangs had the air intake over the nose (like the P-40 w/ Allison). It looks definitely repairable though, best luck to the owners!
SOLIDKREATE Posted February 4, 2016 Author Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) Damn. Can be repaired though. Jason I hope so, we have our own P-51B here in WA. Only 20min from me. See here: http://historicflight.org/hf/collection/mustang/ Edited February 4, 2016 by 6./ZG1=SPEKTRE76
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 The sheet metal work won't be bad but the engine and prop work will easily cost over a million.
unreasonable Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 The sheet metal work won't be bad but the engine and prop work will easily cost over a million. Ouch! Insurance? Probably expensive to start with but even then I expect the owner would have to prove that the gear or gear light warning mis-functioned ie the poor fellow did not just forget to lower his gear - and that that any failure was not due to maintenance negligence. By the time most of us are rich enough to be owner/flyer of one of these things we would be too old and senile to fly it.... On the other hand getting some professional pilot to fly your warbird would be like hiring a gigolo to bang your girlfriend. 1
=362nd_FS=Hiromachi Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 C model is Merlin engined, no? Too bad on the AC. Many D Mustangs on the civil market this days are running on Allison, even though they were previously powered by Merlin. Thats because of the prices, Allisons are cheaper to obtain and maintain. But if that was actually Packard Merlin than ... huh, it's going to be expensive.
SCG_Space_Ghost Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 This same bird had some sort of mechanical failure a few years back and killed the pilot that time. She's a cursed bird.
SOLIDKREATE Posted February 5, 2016 Author Posted February 5, 2016 Yeah but would you argue about owning her?
Cybermat47 Posted February 5, 2016 Posted February 5, 2016 Eh, it's a Mustang, she'll be back up in no time
SCG_Space_Ghost Posted February 5, 2016 Posted February 5, 2016 Yeah but would you argue about owning her? I'd leave it to Paul Allen or someone else. Mustangs are cool and all but I'm a Messerschmitt man.
Rjel Posted February 6, 2016 Posted February 6, 2016 Many D Mustangs on the civil market this days are running on Allison, even though they were previously powered by Merlin. Thats because of the prices, Allisons are cheaper to obtain and maintain. But if that was actually Packard Merlin than ... huh, it's going to be expensive. I don't think so.
Cybermat47 Posted February 6, 2016 Posted February 6, 2016 I don't think so. What makes you say that?
Boomerang Posted February 6, 2016 Posted February 6, 2016 Was it a hydrolic failure with the landing gear? Thank heavens the pilot was okay, and hopefully what ever the problem was, it's sorted at some point.
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted February 6, 2016 Posted February 6, 2016 What makes you say that? I'm no Mustang expert but it would be the first time I've heard this is a common practice. All of the Mustangs in my area (x4) have PM engines. 1
Rjel Posted February 6, 2016 Posted February 6, 2016 (edited) What makes you say that?[/quWhat makes you say that? I'm not an airframe mechanic but even if it were possible by the time you reengineered the plane to accept an Allison and covered the cost of that, I would think you still would need to pass FAA inspections and who knows what else? By the time everything would be done you could buy many Merlins Edited February 6, 2016 by Rjel
216th_Lucas_From_Hell Posted February 6, 2016 Posted February 6, 2016 I'm not sure it's that complex, there is an Il-2M flying with an Allison engine in the United States for example, which is surely less common than a P-51.
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted February 6, 2016 Posted February 6, 2016 (edited) That, however, is a comonality/availability (or lack thereof) of parts issue. A very different case than a Mustang and Packard Merlin engines. Rather than proving a negative I'd like to see some sources for Mustang/Allison conversions. I'm willing to bet the number is incredibly small. While not a definitive list, this webpage, http://warbirdregistry.org/p51registry/p51-4473656.html , tracks airworthy P-51's and some of their modifications, many fairly minor. A quick search shows no Mustangs B/C/D with Allison conversions. (disclaimer: I only checked a random sample of the D's so far.) This aircraft, N(x)61429 (ex 42-103645), is the same aircraft which killed Don Hinz in a previous accident and seems to be Merlin engined. Edited February 6, 2016 by [LBS]HerrMurf
Rjel Posted February 6, 2016 Posted February 6, 2016 I'm not sure it's that complex, there is an Il-2M flying with an Allison engine in the United States for example, which is surely less common than a P-51. Just swapping a Ford for a Chevy engine in a car or truck isn't as simple as sticking it in. Again, EVEN if it were as simple as swapping out the engine, getting an A/C licensed as airworthy wouldn't be a simple matter. I'm sure someone on this forum has far more experience with this. Perhaps they could give us some more insight.
SOLIDKREATE Posted February 9, 2016 Author Posted February 9, 2016 They will have to do an NDI X-Ray on this bird.
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