FW190a flipping to the left every 30 seconds

[MeisterBoelcke]

 Could anyone explain why the FW 190a in this game likes to flip to the left every 15 to  30 seconds in the game on level flight and how this can lead to a deadly tailspin.

Was this plane that ridiculously capricious and difficult to fly and did it have that kind of  flight characteristic?

 

I will correct  that,. ALL planes will  do a 15  to 30 deg roll to the left every 15 to  30 seconds. This is holding the joystick in  " neutral position "

 

 This does not happen  in ROF but is specific to IL2 BOS

Edited January 18, 2016 by MeisterBoelcke

[Asgar]

i don't know what it is...but you're doing something wrong

[MeisterBoelcke]

i don't know what it is...but you're doing something wrong

  Like what, I mean how complicated is it to fly a plane? If you keep the joystick even and neutral then the same should be for the plane  right?

[Asgar]

ok...you do not understand how physics work..i see that now

 

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/dynamics/q0015a.shtml

[Willy__]

 

 

If you keep the joystick even and neutral then the same should be for the plane  right?

 

There's your problem. 

[MeisterBoelcke]

ok. I found the problem, its the joystick itself,  the  rubber bearing ring is worn out and the positioning is getting stuck. Time for a new joystick.

Oh coomon, I   was a combat pilot for years and have flown  flight sims since they were dots on the screen, give me  at least   some level of credibility and intelligence. In the end it was the faulty joystick, its be worn to death through extreme use.  Will get a cheap replacement for now and get the  Thrustmaster Warthog  at some later  date.

 

Thanks for your input

 

 

 

ok...you do not understand how physics work..i see that now

 

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/dynamics/q0015a.shtml

Edited January 18, 2016 by MeisterBoelcke

[=CFC=Conky]

Glad you got it sorted MeisterBoelcke.

 

Good hunting,

=CFC=Conky

[ShamrockOneFive]

ok. I found the problem, its the joystick itself,  the  rubber bearing ring is worn out and the positioning is getting stuck. Time for a new joystick.

Oh coomon, I   was a combat pilot for years and have flown  flight sims since they were dots on the screen, give me  at least   some level of credibility and intelligence. In the end it was the faulty joystick, its be worn to death through extreme use.  Will get a cheap replacement for now and get the  Thrustmaster Warthog  at some later  date.

 

Thanks for your input

 

Yep, that was mean of a few posters. Still if you keep the stick neutral many aircraft do have the tendency to want to move up or down or to the left or right. Not a continuous roll but a gradual progression. Basically all WWII warbirds need to be hands on stick all the time to keep them from getting away from you. Trim helps a lot with these issues.

 

Having a broken stick definitely contributes too. I'm sure a shiny new one will help out quite a bit

[Willy__]

A little tip for the ones struggling to fly the 190: be gentle on the joystick inputs, she's a very sensitive bird, if you pull too hard, it will bite you, and most and foremost: keep it fast (min 300kph)! 

[unreasonable]

I was going to say sound like input spiking - my rudder pedals do that occasionally. You have it sorted, but for anyone suffering a similar problem a small deadzone and a vigorous preflight check through the full range of movement might sort it out - at least if the wear is not too bad.

[Olt_Kloetenburg]

hey,

 

glad you found the cause.

My suggestion for a cheap replacement is the Thrustmaster T.16000M , VERY accurate, many buttons. Although not the most high-end finish, it will do it's job for a long time, and it will do it good.

[Asgar]

ok. I found the problem, its the joystick itself,  the  rubber bearing ring is worn out and the positioning is getting stuck. Time for a new joystick.

Oh coomon, I   was a combat pilot for years and have flown  flight sims since they were dots on the screen, give me  at least   some level of credibility and intelligence. In the end it was the faulty joystick, its be worn to death through extreme use.  Will get a cheap replacement for now and get the  Thrustmaster Warthog  at some later  date.

 

Thanks for your input

if what you're saying is true than you should know that what you said here is wrong:

  Like what, I mean how complicated is it to fly a plane? If you keep the joystick even and neutral then the same should be for the plane  right?

[unreasonable]

Do modern fly by wire planes behave like that? (I know WW2 era ones did not).

[Asgar]

modern ones should yes. that's more or less the idea of fly by wire systems. but since we're talking about the 190 here, a wwII plane, his statement is simply wrong

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Glad you found the issue

 

When talking WW2 fighters, the only case where you might find a hands-off solution for a brief while is on an aircraft that has elevator, rudder and aileron trim tabs that you can use in the air. And even then a slight change in airspeed, torque, altitude, attitude, weather and etc. will make the aircraft pitch/slip/roll unless this is compensated for.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

I'm not sure if this is true but I seem to remember that a later model 190 had a flight control system that would hold the aircraft at certain attitudes if within limmits without the pilot having to trim? A kind of rudimentary fly by wire/pilot aid/auto trim?

 

I might be dreaming thou

Edited January 19, 2016 by [TBC]AeroACE

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I'm not sure if this is true but I seem to remember that a later model 190 had a flight control system that would hold the aircraft at certain attitudes if within limmits without the pilot having to trim? A kind of rudimentary fly by wire/pilot aid/auto trim?

 

I might be dreaming thou

 

I've never heard of that but it would be interesting to see some documentation that corroborates the theory.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

I can't find a decent source besides oft-repeated Wikipedia articles all over the internet, but if they check out the version was the Fw-190D-13 and the equipment was the Patin PKS 12, a simple all-weather autopilot system.

[KoN_]

hey,

 

glad you found the cause.

My suggestion for a cheap replacement is the Thrustmaster T.16000M , VERY accurate, many buttons. Although not the most high-end finish, it will do it's job for a long time, and it will do it good.

Agree on this one , don't get the TMwarthogs for just this Sim . go cheap .

[Asgar]

I've never heard of that but it would be interesting to see some documentation that corroborates the theory.

i think he's talking about the trim tabs...they can be manually adjusted on the ground. so you fly straight at cruising speed or what ever. but no automation as far as i'm aware

Edited January 19, 2016 by I./JG3_Asgar

[-TBC-AeroAce]

No not TRIM tabs. Even thou i have probably got the aircraft type incorrect what I mean was a system that would effectively auto trim the stabiliser to maintain a certain pitch angle as long as it was sustainable. I.e the pilot would pitch to 10 degrees nose up and plane would keep that attitude with out pilot input to the stick or trim. Kinda simular to how an Airbus fly but it was only a small pitch range and mechanicaly actuated instead of fly by wire.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Is it this?

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zs7gcbzdm881iz7/PKS12%20Jaegersteuerung.pdf

[-TBC-AeroAce]

Im don't think it is the same as what i am talking about was more of a path hold type of system.

 

But that document makes for some interesting reading. I didn't known there was an autopilot that could keep you straight during take off. Also and something that annoys me in game which is not implement is the abiliy to select the two different turn rates for the autopilot. In game the auto level turn for flighter is very twitchy and unacurate therefore having the two speed settings would be very nice

[MeisterBoelcke]

Agree on this one , don't get the TMwarthogs for just this Sim . go cheap .

Ok    I got a really cheap stick for $29.99..thats about as cheap as your going to get. I have other  more complex sims  as well  with the actual A10 Warthog and many other beautiful jets. So I was still thinking  of saving up for the Thrustmaster Warthog. There have been many complaints about " sticktion"  any thoughts. Is it worth getting then doing the fix as per this video  if the problem arises?

 

 

Thanks

 

BTW the cheapo joystick works fine in IL2  Sturmovik BOS,  the trim characteristics are fine..

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Ok    I got a really cheap stick for $29.99..thats about as cheap as your going to get. I have other  more complex sims  as well  with the actual A10 Warthog and many other beautiful jets. So I was still thinking  of saving up for the Thrustmaster Warthog. There have been many complaints about " sticktion"  any thoughts. Is it worth getting then doing the fix as per this video  if the problem arises?

 

 

Thanks

 

BTW the cheapo joystick works fine in IL2  Sturmovik BOS,  the trim characteristics are fine..

 

Yeah, it's definitely worth saving up for the Warthog.

 

Take anything Con says about it with a grain of salt - he seems to think that the problem he experiences with wobbling and general sloppy handling is everything but his piloting skills. 

[-TBC-AeroAce]

The good thing aboout the warthog is that it is built to last and be repaired. The gymble on the WH will get sticky after a couple of years but as all the components are high quality, wear resistant...... it's just a simple case of a screwdriver, alcohol wipes and some high quality lube and then it's like new. The only other thing to worry about is the sensors but they have an extremely high life time which I would say is 10 years plus depending on use

[Willy__]

it's just a simple case of a screwdriver, alcohol wipes and some high quality lube and then it's like new

 

 

+1

Edited January 19, 2016 by Herr_Istruba

[-TBC-AeroAce]

After actually watching that mostly exelent WH repair video I notice there is one really bad things he does.

 

1) Do not remove the oring !!!!!!!!!!! The oring makes sure foreign objects do not get in and the oil does not get out. Doing this will increase overhaul frequency!!!!!!!! I think the only reason he took the oring out was because it takes a bit of specialist knowledge to get the correct glue for the oring.

[LLv24_Vilppi]

it's just a simple case of a screwdriver, alcohol wipes and some high quality lube

 

Hmm.. sounds like a nice Friday evening for me.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

Yes my brother a screwdriver and lube .......insert pic of Homer Simpson here

[Feathered_IV]

Yes my brother a screwdriver and lube .......insert pic of Homer Simpson here

 

Post a pic of your brother

[KoN_]

Ok    I got a really cheap stick for $29.99..thats about as cheap as your going to get. I have other  more complex sims  as well  with the actual A10 Warthog and many other beautiful jets. So I was still thinking  of saving up for the Thrustmaster Warthog. There have been many complaints about " sticktion"  any thoughts. Is it worth getting then doing the fix as per this video  if the problem arises?

 

 

Thanks

 

BTW the cheapo joystick works fine in IL2  Sturmovik BOS,  the trim characteristics are fine..

Only time you need to do this is if and when the joystick stiffens up and does not return back to its centre position . I would only do this in an extreme case , Be very careful of the wires when putting back together . The warthog on whole is a very good joystick .

Yeah, it's definitely worth saving up for the Warthog.

 

Take anything Con says about it with a grain of salt - he seems to think that the problem he experiences with wobbling and general sloppy handling is everything but his piloting skills. 

Yawn ...

[Sokol1]

In this game you don't need joystick "20 buttons" on grip - Warthog is "A-10"/"DCS jet" stick. 

 

It's said build "like a tank" - but is with Zamak metal, no "bullet proof":*

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=119548&d=1436436221

http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=119550&d=1436436221

 

And plastic in critical parts:

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=106711&d=1414955864

 

But overall is the best HOTAS available on market, as Logitech goes of the niche, Saitek goes "cheap" and CH still in "1999".

 

Maybe a good alternative - when became available:

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/uploads/monthly_11_2015/post-979-0-08252400-1448876662.jpg

 

* Since not all guys can get replacement parts from Thrustmaster, 3D Printers came to rescue:

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2645125&postcount=88

Edited January 20, 2016 by Sokol1