Microsoft new policy: New CPUs will require Windows 10

[Jaws2002]

http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-updates-support-policy-new-cpus-will-require-windows-10/

 

So if you want new CPU, your Windows 7 will only work until Jully 2017. 

 

The whole world is turning to [Edited]. The whole system is sold to the highest bidder.

Edited January 18, 2016 by Bearcat

[SharpeXB]

Why would you build a new PC (effectively) and use the old OS? Especially when Windows 10 is free. I just did a CPU upgrade and used that opportunity to upgrade the OS too

[Jaws2002]

The more relevant question is, why should a software company be allowed to make the rules about someone else's hardware? You buy an intel or AMD processor. Why should Microsoft make the rules about what software you can install on that new hardware, made by someone else?

Edited January 18, 2016 by Jaws2002

[Jaws2002]

Look at this link:

 

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ca/windows/lifecycle

 

Windows 7, for example is supported until 2020 and windows 8 until 2023, but if you buy a new CPU your support is terminated in 2017....

 

Why? What happened with the agreement when you bought the OS?

Edited January 18, 2016 by Jaws2002

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Why would you build a new PC (effectively) and use the old OS? Especially when Windows 10 is free. I just did a CPU upgrade and used that opportunity to upgrade the OS too

Because I am deeply concerned with my privacy with Windows 10. I barely stood some solution in W7, and now they go even further just fully and openly "spies" on users. 

As much as W10 brings cool new solutions I am not willing to carry an upgrade so that all my data will be known to Microsoft for whatever purpose they want them. People stopped caring for privacy and companies like M$ took advantage of that. And that they only force now to change system for the new architecture is a whole new level of scum being reached, I remember few years ago when Intel for no specific reason turned 1156 to 1155 socket and I could not update my setup but had to buy whole new motherboard as well. 

In past it was producer job to satisfy the needs on the market, today producers artificially force the market to create the needs. 

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Why would you build a new PC (effectively) and use the old OS? Especially when Windows 10 is free.

...it is free because they gather and sell tons of privat data from your machine

... it is free because it's a freaking test version, not even a completed (and fully supported) OS

.....it is free because you can't deaktivate enforced Windows updates that screw your hardware drivers up and waste hard drive space for programs you don't need

 

No, thx. Don't need that junk on my PC, not even for free.

Edited January 18, 2016 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[Jaws2002]

We are no longer the customers. We are the product, they now sell to whoever will pay for our info/privacy. ....Like facebook and that kind of crap.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

The more relevant question is, why should a software company be allowed to make the rules about someone else's hardware? You buy an intel or AMD processor. Why should Microsoft make the rules about what software you can install on that new hardware, made by someone else?

 

Nobody is making any rules about your hardware - they are making a business decision on how their software product will interact with your hardware... Don't get that confused.

 

Don't like it? I'm looking forward to your custom-brewed Linux distribution.

 

Look at this link:

 

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ca/windows/lifecycle

 

Windows 7, for example is supported until 2020 and windows 8 until 2023, but if you buy a new CPU your support is terminated in 2017....

 

Why? What happened with the agreement when you bought the OS?

 

Clearly you didn't read any of the EULA - very early on it states that they may change the terms of the EULA any time that they want.

 

What's next, is M$ gonna come for muh brainwaves?!

[6./ZG26_Emil]

Why would you build a new PC (effectively) and use the old OS? Especially when Windows 10 is free. I just did a CPU upgrade and used that opportunity to upgrade the OS too

 

When the old OS is better...did everyone upgrade to Vista? No they did not.

[Urra]

Why would you build a new PC (effectively) and use the old OS? Especially when Windows 10 is free. I just did a CPU upgrade and used that opportunity to upgrade the OS too

Because I like feeling of having a choice. Even if i don't really have one.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

i still use xp

 

That backdoor of mine that you downloaded in that file earlier would indicate otherwise.

[Jaws2002]

That backdoor of mine that you downloaded in that file earlier would indicate otherwise.

 

 

 

 

So you are spreading malware and spyware in the forum and then brag about it? 

 

via Imgflip Meme Maker

[SharpeXB]

A lot of tinfoil hat conspiracy theories here.

 

If you are so worried about this stuff you better just stop buying computers and smartphones etc.

people today expect their devices to do amazing things like literally finish their sentences and recognize voices and know their location for maps. I'm pretty sure that's all accomplished by the data they obtain from users.

Besides when you set up any of this software you're given the chance to opt out. So if it bothers you, just do that.

[coconut]

 

 

people today expect their devices to do amazing things like literally finish their sentences

 

I am very moderately impressed. Maybe when I'm 96 years old I'll have use for that, but until then, I think I'll manage and finish my sentences myself.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

ill say it again you are not paranoid for thinking facebook microsoft or space ghost spies on you, youre paranoid if it upsets you

 

 

Not paranoid just totally stupid.......it's not tin foil hats it's fact

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Whatever issues and conspirancies are and might be floating around Windoof 10, I'm glad I do not have to worry about any of it. 

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

-snip-

 

ill say it again you are not paranoid for thinking facebook microsoft or space ghost spies on you, youre paranoid if it upsets you

 

-snip-

 

 

Damn right. 

 

And I'm always watching.

Edited January 19, 2016 by Space_Ghost

[SharpeXB]

I found the perfect computer for you guys. You can rest assured that it won't ever harvest any data from you.

[johncage]

gross. the people dismissing the implications are the perfect suckers for microsoft. who needs pr when the consumers do it for you for free?

 

say whatever you want about microsoft finally going full retard, but the real culprit here is the consumer and the lack of accountability they instill with their lax attitude regarding everything.

 

you get the governments you deserve, you get the products you deserve.

 

i'm moving to canada and buying a mac.

[Dakpilot]

While your there buy an iphone to go with your Mac...oh wait

 

The secret software's gonna get you too!!!!

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[1./ZG1_ElHadji]

I have several machines but refuse to use anything but Win7/64 on my dedicated gaming rig. Win 8 was just horrible and 10 is a tad better. Still hate it with a passion though and I won't update until Dx12 becomes a requirement.

[SharpeXB]

Does anyone have a real genuine reason to avoid Windows 10 or is this all just paranoia? Seriously. Some actual information would do the discussion good. By all accounts Windows 10 works very well.

Myself I did have that USB controller problem which was fixed by a Windows update eventually but that may not even have been related to 10 specifically.

And going back to the original topic. A new CPU means new. It means Skylake for example and thence a new Z170 mb. Basically building a whole new machine. I'm not sure if there is a real good logical reason to build a new machine and put the last generation OS on it.

 

Some actual information on the subject.

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2975004/microsoft-windows/4-overblown-windows-10-worries.html

[1./ZG1_ElHadji]

I can't speak for others but I mostly hate the actual interface. Things that takes 1 click to reach in Win7 can take 3 or more clicks in Win10. And yes, I use the "classic" layout. I also hate the fact that MS decides when I should update my OS and not me. This morning at work I had to delay a presentation at a customer because of these *bleeeep* updates. To add insult to injury some hardware such as older printers and scanners, that were totally plug-and-play in Win7, needs manual installation of drivers etc. I couldn't care less if MS tracks my shoe size etc. Win10 is pain in the behind from a users perspective. And don't get me started on having a "app store"...

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Does anyone have a real genuine reason to avoid Windows 10 or is this all just paranoia?

I have expirience with Windows 8 and Windows 10 mainly in fixing stuff that breaks on a family member's laptop and desktop pc. I consider both OSs crap because:

 

- interface is totally confusing and unessecarily messed up with apps, advertisement and other nonworthy crap (yea, know about classic shell, but should it be nessecary in firts place?)

 

- Windows updates can't be deactivated nor restricted completely, means Windows can run things in background you don't like including automated updates at midnight

 

- Windows 10 has bad compatebility issues with certain dirvers. Incase of the laptop the sound card dirver was shot over night threw an automated update, took me 4 complete driver installations, 7 reboots and 2  

  telephone calls to fix it (still don't know how I got it working). Many hardware manufactors still warn about possibel Windows 10 uncompatebility issues with drivers and software.

 

- Windows 10 is gathering plenty of data from your machine including information concerning emails, programs and files. Even if it may be just be "normal" data in most cases that will not harm your privacy significantly it's still not for a good cause and doesn't deserve support

 

- what gains does it bring? Shiny new interface? Cortana? Dx12 for the very few games I play that support it? If that's all it has to offer for all the struggles one has to go threw I'm yet amazed how many people jumped on their train just to have the most recent OS availabel (because new is always better)

Edited January 20, 2016 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[6./ZG26_Emil]

Does anyone have a real genuine reason to avoid Windows 10 or is this all just paranoia?

 

Simply it's that if you are happy with the OS you have why rush in to the next one? 

[SharpeXB]

Simply it's that if you are happy with the OS you have why rush in to the next one?

I totally agree with that actually. But the question above was about new CPUs. In that case why not upgrade?

I can't speak for others but I mostly hate the actual interface. Things that takes 1 click to reach in Win7 can take 3 or more clicks in Win10. And yes, I use the "classic" layout. I also hate the fact that MS decides when I should update my OS and not me. This morning at work I had to delay a presentation at a customer because of these *bleeeep* updates. To add insult to injury some hardware such as older printers and scanners, that were totally plug-and-play in Win7, needs manual installation of drivers etc. I couldn't care less if MS tracks my shoe size etc. Win10 is pain in the behind from a users perspective. And don't get me started on having a "app store"...

Tips for the interface.

Just type or say (voice command) anything into that Cortana bar and you've got it. Like if you want the USB Game Controllers menu or launch Excel. Type US... Or Ex... And there is is. So it's super easy. Or you can right click on the Windows Start Icon and there's everything like Control Panel and Task Manager. So getting around is very easy.

And for updates you can actually schedule when you want them installed. Just select a time from the pulldown.

Edited January 20, 2016 by SharpeXB

[1./ZG1_ElHadji]

If I want to speak to Cortana I'll fire up Halo on my Xbox...  

[J2_Trupobaw]

Does anyone have a real genuine reason to avoid Windows 10 or is this all just paranoia? Seriously. Some actual information would do the discussion good. By all accounts Windows 10 works very well.

[...]I'm not sure if there is a real good logical reason to build a new machine and put the last generation OS on it.

 

 

 

 

Does anyone have a real, genuine reason to upgrade to Win 10? There were about 3 versions of Windows worth upgrading to over the last 20 years (98SE, then XP, then Win 7) - all others were best skipped, and even these were only worth upgrading to after they received second servicepack, not earlier. Having an OS that does everything you want to, you know reasonably well and has known limits of backwards-compability with older technology (such as BoS and FFB joysticks) is reason enough to not to upgrade to new OS, with unknown features, unknown bugs and backward compability problems. Not broken, don't fix is the only reason people need.

 

Not with number of people reporting RoF (same technology as BoS) stopped working when they upgraded. 

 

I can keep a Win98 laptop for older games no longer compatibile with Win7, but a not two simpits.

 

And that "free" tag on untested OS is pathetic. If Win 10 proves worth upgrading to, I'll pay for it. Until then, I'm sticking to working solution I've paid for already and observing. A release version and two service packs to go. 

Edited January 24, 2016 by Trupobaw

[SharpeXB]

Does anyone have a real, genuine reason to upgrade to Win 10?

 

The only genuine reasons I'm aware of for upgrading to Windows 10 are:

DX12

The ability to utilize more than 16GB of RAM without going to the Pro version

No separate security programs needed like Norton or Macafee. MS Security Essentials is built it.

The interface looks rather slick in 4K, some things didn't seem to scale right in W7

 

I'm a complete PC noob so yeah if my machine was running just fine with 7 I don't usually have any use for just upgrading the OS just for the sake of upgrading. But in the case of W10 I was rebuilding the machine with a new CPU like mentioned above and in that case I don't see a reason not to upgrade especially since it was free. And Windows 10 works just fine.

 

Steam Hardware Survey:

W7 64bit 36%

W10 64bit 33%

W8.1 64bit 16%

 

Clearly customers don't have any reservations about adopting W10

Edited January 25, 2016 by SharpeXB

[-NW-ChiefRedCloud]

Why would you build a new PC (effectively) and use the old OS? Especially when Windows 10 is free. I just did a CPU upgrade and used that opportunity to upgrade the OS too

 

 

Well first I have to tell you that Windows 10 is only free for about a year. Then you must either pay for it or revert back to your old operating system.

 

See here ---> Price For Windows 10

 

My wife is going to flip out when she sees I've signed up for a $200 operating system OR I'll be reverting back to Windows 7 Pro.

 

Chief

[SharpeXB]

Well first I have to tell you that Windows 10 is only free for about a year. Then you must either pay for it or revert back to your old operating system.

That is not correct.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/06/17/windows-10-free-for-1-year-what-happens-next/#2274a6c481a4

 

"This is more than a one-time upgrade: once a Windows device is upgraded to Windows 10, we will continue to keep it current for the supported lifetime of the device – at no cost.”

-Terry Myerson, Microsoft’s Executive Vice President of Operating Systems

 

Also the subject here isn't necessarily about upgrading W7. It's about installing W10 on a new machine or an effectively new one.

Edited January 25, 2016 by SharpeXB

[FilMit]

Sets me completely!

 

Sooner or later, I still set!

Upgrade to 10 for good.

 

Your dog with us!

Updated, if you want to see her alive.

 

At the end, we all repaired.

She is so, yes. 

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

 

Sets me completely!

 

Sooner or later, I still set!

Upgrade to 10 for good.

 

Your dog with us!

Updated, if you want to see her alive.

 

At the end, we all repaired.

She is so, yes. 

 

 

[J2_Trupobaw]

Seems like computerised translation of very non-literal Russian... from what I understand, it means:

 

First picture:

 

Complete the setup!

Sooner or later, I will set everything up anyway [the way we want it, and without asking you]

Update to 10 the nice way / by your own choice [while you still have a choice / before we do it to nasty way]

We have your dog!

 Upgrade if you want to see her alive!

 

Second picture:

"Finally, we took care of everything", or maybe "In long run, everything will be fixed?". Can't say, really .

 

Third picture;

"Yep, that's how she rolls".

Edited January 26, 2016 by Trupobaw

[Bando]

Thanks Trupobaw.

I could not make sense of it either, but your explanation made me see what FilMit ment.

[Sgt_Joch]

The issue with Win 10 as others have pointed out is that it is a new untested OS. Many users are reporting issues due to hardware conflicts, immature drivers, older games that don't work, etc.

 

I was one of those who jumped on the Win XP bandwagon on launch date and spent 12-18 months dealing with driver/hardware issues.

 

Win 7 64 bit is solid, works great with all my hardware and games, so why upgrade?

 

Now if there was a substantial upside, it would be a different story, but Win 10 only shows marginal improvement at best over Win 7:

 

 

http://www.maximumpc.com/windows-10-but-what-about-performance/

 

 

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9543/the-windows-10-review/24

 

from an admittedly informal survey, seems a lot of hardcore gamers I know are sticking with Win 7 64 bits for now.

Edited January 26, 2016 by Sgt_Joch

[-NW-ChiefRedCloud]

That is not correct.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/06/17/windows-10-free-for-1-year-what-happens-next/#2274a6c481a4

 

"This is more than a one-time upgrade: once a Windows device is upgraded to Windows 10, we will continue to keep it current for the supported lifetime of the device – at no cost.”

-Terry Myerson, Microsoft’s Executive Vice President of Operating Systems

 

Also the subject here isn't necessarily about upgrading W7. It's about installing W10 on a new machine or an effectively new one.

 

I read your link and I certainly hope your right as it will save me some money and grief with my wife .... LOL ... Cheers

 

Chief

[FilMit]

Thank Trupobaw, I used Google translator, thought the general sense is clear. Excuse me