Why not a Yak-9 ?

[DeafBee]

What about the Yak 1B which apparently was significantbetter than the Yak 1?

 

I would love to fly the Yak 9 or the tank buster Yak 9T with the 45 mm canon........KAAAAAABOOOOM.....Tank dead     

[Guest deleted@1562]

Have asked myself that same question, but, I really hate using more than one sim covering the same type of aircraft, because they're either redundant, or one of them is inferior overall...

 

Between DCS and IL-2 BoS the choice is almost impossible - they're both very good, each one on it's own...

 

Very easy for me: plane constructed >1945 -> DCS, else BoS. And I own all WW2 fighter planes for DCS.

[Guest deleted@50488]

Very easy for me: plane constructed >1945 -> DCS, else BoS. And I own all WW2 fighter planes for DCS.

+1

 

Thx for your thought!

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

What about the Yak 1B which apparently was significantbetter than the Yak 1?

 

I would love to fly the Yak 9 or the tank buster Yak 9T with the 45 mm canon........KAAAAAABOOOOM.....Tank dead     

You're thinking K, not T. The T versions had a NS-37 on the nose, like the one you can fit on the LaGG-3 right now.

 

The Yak-1B was significantly better than the base Yak-1 but the 69th series were already much closer to the Yak-1B in terms of performance.

[II./JG77_Manu*]

You're thinking K, not T. The T versions had a NS-37 on the nose, like the one you can fit on the LaGG-3 right now.

 

The Yak-1B was significantly better than the base Yak-1 but the 69th series were already much closer to the Yak-1B in terms of performance.

K didn't have to much success, the recoil of the cannon damaged the structural integrity of the plane in some cases, same like the Hs129 B3..so it wasn't mass produced. Yak9T however was an awesome fighter. Hope we will get it in the next expansion alongside the G6. I think DM discussions are redundant then 

The Yak we have in game matches, and even surpasses the Yak1b in some aspects (according to official data), so there is really no need for it. Yak7 would be neat though

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

K didn't have to much success, the recoil of the cannon damaged the structural integrity of the plane in some cases, same like the Hs129 B3..so it wasn't mass produced. Yak9T however was an awesome fighter. Hope we will get it in the next expansion alongside the G6. I think DM discussions are redundant then 

The Yak we have in game matches, and even surpasses the Yak1b in some aspects (according to official data), so there is really no need for it. Yak7 would be neat though

Again, all the signs (Tanks, Ground Physics) point towards mid-late 1943 around Kursk and Kuban. 

 

This means:

Yak-9 in all its early glory. As far as I know the Yak-9T entered production in March 1943, so I'm certain we will get it, as well as the standard model.

 

Yak-1B in its prime. The Numbers for the late Yak-1 and early Yak-9 are almost the same, and they are very similar. But so are the Bf109F-4 and G-2. 

 

La-5F or La-5FN

 

The Bf109 had its full power output released by then (according to the manuals at least, which no longer prohibited use of emergency power by June of 1943), so we will get the Gustavs with varying degrees of the plague, most likely the G-6 and G-4 with full power output but all the added drag of larger landing gear, so nothing gained in speed, but everything in rate of climb.

 

Fw190A-5

 

Bf110G. The Fighter Bomber from Hell.

[II./JG77_Manu*]

Again, all the signs (Tanks, Ground Physics) point towards mid-late 1943 around Kursk and Kuban. 

 

This means:

Yak-9 in all its early glory. As far as I know the Yak-9T entered production in March 1943, so I'm certain we will get it, as well as the standard model.

 

Yak-1B in its prime. The Numbers for the late Yak-1 and early Yak-9 are almost the same, and they are very similar. But so are the Bf109F-4 and G-2. 

 

La-5F or La-5FN

 

The Bf109 had its full power output released by then (according to the manuals at least, which no longer prohibited use of emergency power by June of 1943), so we will get the Gustavs with varying degrees of the plague, most likely the G-6 and G-4 with full power output but all the added drag of larger landing gear, so nothing gained in speed, but everything in rate of climb.

 

Fw190A-5

 

Bf110G. The Fighter Bomber from Hell.

I don't think we will get the "standard" Yak9, it was not a much produced aircraft, and occupied only a very small percentage of the VVS aircraft in later 43. Much more common were the Yak9D and the Yak9T, and i think we will get one of them, if not both. In addition the P39, which was at both Kuban and Kursk, and either the La5F (Kuban) or FN (Kursk). Agreed with the German aircraft, 30mm Mod for G6, and the Hs129(!!). Bomber Do217

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

I don't think we will get the "standard" Yak9, it was not a much produced aircraft, and occupied only a very small percentage of the VVS aircraft in later 43. Much more common were the Yak9D and the Yak9T, and i think we will get one of them, if not both. In addition the P39, which was at both Kuban and Kursk, and either the La5F (Kuban) or FN (Kursk). Agreed with the German aircraft, 30mm Mod for G6, and the Hs129(!!). Bomber Do217

i'm guessing more Versions of the Ju-88, the Hs129 was never significant so I guess no. The 75 will most likely be a fitting for Ju-88s. 

I forgot about Il-2Ms. 

And maybe we'll finally get Tu-2s as well. Or Even A-20 Havocs. Or maybe B-25s. Or maybe Il-4s. Or imagine the Yer-2s roaring Diesels. 

[Uriah]

Because balance is irrelevant. The soviet aircraft were in fact inferior in all but sheer numerical superiority.

Even if everything was made in a SIM to be as near reality as possible the realism would be irrelevant. It will never happen that there will be 5 to 1 players flying the Soviet side vs the German side.

And we all know the online fur ball servers have nothing to do with reality. If you want closer to reality you will have to do private squad war that strive for the reality.

 

Because of that, I see little reason not to introduce something that would 'balance' the online fur balls.

 

I wish the top fliers would challenge themselves more by just flying Soviet. That way the developers would not have to do anything to achieve balance.

 

I am a poor fighter pilot, but I do just love the Yak, so I fly it anyway. I would to see the top Axis fighters switch to flying LaGG-3. Not likely to happen.

[ShamrockOneFive]

What about the Yak 1B which apparently was significantbetter than the Yak 1?

 

I would love to fly the Yak 9 or the tank buster Yak 9T with the 45 mm canon........KAAAAAABOOOOM.....Tank dead     

 

The other guys have already said it... but the Yak-1 Series 69 is, for all intents and purposes, a Yak-1B in performance. The differences wouldn't be so much in the numbers as it would be in the firepower (1x12.7mm to replace the 2x7.6mm ShKAS machine guns) and the bubble canopy visibility.

 

Also, a popular misconception but the Yak-9T (37mm) and Yak-9K (45mm) were developed to increase the types overall firepower in air combat and not as ground attackers. The 45mm is a bit of an experiment while the 37mm Yak-9T was a mainline type seeing more use than the early Yak-9.

[LukeFF]

the Hs129 was never significant

 

First time I've ever heard that.  Yeah, it obviously wasn't built in the numbers the Il-2 was, but it still saw a whole lot of use.

Edited January 6, 2016 by LukeFF

[II./JG77_Manu*]

First time I've ever heard that.   Yeah, it obviously wasn't built in the numbers the Il-2 was, but it still saw a whole lot of use.

With almost a thousand 129-B2 built, this particular model was quite numerous in Luftwaffe terms, more then 109-E7, way more significant then the Kanonenvogel (JU87-G)

[DeafBee]

You're thinking K, not T. The T versions had a NS-37 on the nose, like the one you can fit on the LaGG-3 right now.

 

The Yak-1B was significantly better than the base Yak-1 but the 69th series were already much closer to the Yak-1B in terms of performance.

 

Yes  you are totally right.

 

  The Yak 9K had the 45 mm.  Sorry   

[Sgt_Joch]

the Yak-1b would be nice, although I would rather move to an entire 43 or 44 plane set.

 

in terms of performance, the Yak 1 progression from the model we have in game is as follows:

 

Yak-1, s. 69, m-105PF engine, weight:2917 kg

climb time to 5 km: 6.4 min.

speed at sea level: 510 kmh

speed at 3.6 km: 571 kmh

 

 

Yak-1B, m-105PF engine, weight:2780 kg

climb time to 5 km: 4.7 min.

speed at sea level: 526 kmh

speed at 3.8 km: 592 kmh

 

note: weight was lowered, bubble canopy installed and center of gravity changed. Speed increase was marginal but vertical maneuverability was much improved

 

Yak-1, m-105PF engine, weight:2884 kg

climb time to 5 km: 5.4 min.

speed at sea level: 531 kmh

speed at 4.1 km: 592 kmh

 

note:standard early 1943 model, includes Yak-1B improvements and improved oil cooler over s.69

 

Yak-1, m-105PF engine, weight:2864 kg

climb time to 5 km: 5.7 min.

speed at sea level: 539 kmh

speed at 4.1 km: 605 kmh

 

note:standard mid-late 1943 model, additional aerodynamic improvements and retractable tailwheel

 

on the early Yak-9s:

 

Yak-9, m-105PF engine, weight:2870 kg

climb time to 5 km: 5.1 min.

speed at sea level: 520 kmh

speed at 4.3 km: 599 kmh

 

note: original model, was in action dec. 42, 500 built

 

Yak-9T, m-105PF engine, weight:3025 kg

climb time to 5 km: 5.5 min.

speed at sea level: 533 kmh

speed at 4.3 km: 597 kmh

 

note: equipped with 1 x 37mm cannon, 1 x 12.7 mm hmg.

Edited January 7, 2016 by Sgt_Joch

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Again, all the signs (Tanks, Ground Physics) point towards mid-late 1943 around Kursk and Kuban. 

 

This means:

Yak-9 in all its early glory. As far as I know the Yak-9T entered production in March 1943, so I'm certain we will get it, as well as the standard model.

 

Yak-1B in its prime. The Numbers for the late Yak-1 and early Yak-9 are almost the same, and they are very similar. But so are the Bf109F-4 and G-2. 

 

La-5F or La-5FN

 

The Bf109 had its full power output released by then (according to the manuals at least, which no longer prohibited use of emergency power by June of 1943), so we will get the Gustavs with varying degrees of the plague, most likely the G-6 and G-4 with full power output but all the added drag of larger landing gear, so nothing gained in speed, but everything in rate of climb.

 

Fw190A-5

 

Bf110G. The Fighter Bomber from Hell.

I think you continuously read way too much into this. As much your personal hopes as anything. You could be right but by all official accounts, the next expansion has not been decided yet. I think Kuban or the Med are the most likely. Kursk offers very little in the overall scheme of things.

[Aap]

For possible future expansions, I would prefer them to stay in the same time span of 1941 - early 1943, rather than going towards late war and immediately making the BoM aircraft obsolete, though I guess it makes it difficult to maintain the same approach of 2 fighters + 1 ground attack + 1 bomber + a bonus fighter, especially related to axis fighters. I think it would add more immersion to see more variety of different type of aircraft, mission types, objectives and things like that, rather than adding newer planes and making older planes obsolete. 

A package of something like that:

Ju-52 - Li-2

IAR80 - P-39 (or Re.2000 that Hungarians used on Eeastern front, but in practice these are probably not the type of axis fighters that would make people drooling).

Hs129 - A-20 (or Tu-2)

Do-217 - Il-4

[Guest deleted@50488]

I would love having p51d's, p47s,... to fight the Axis :-)

 

And the D-9, K-4, Me-262, etc... to fight them back :-)

Edited January 7, 2016 by JCOMM

[Dakpilot]

I have to say that combat with later (44) high performance A/C was never as satisfying as 40-43-mid 44, (previous sims) the increased firepower making one pass/hit kills a probability and the high performance of the aircraft leads to 'brute force tactics' without so much need for finesse (probably overgeneralising there)

 

But for me personally late war A/C are just not as fun, bring them all though  but leave the Jets to DCS 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Event though I'd love a Me 262 don't think jets would work well in BoS due to FM engine habbits and view range issues (it's already troublesome for prop planes going half the speed of the 262).

 

I wouldn't have anything against more mid- or early war planes, especially if those include some "oddities" like the Hs-123, Su-2 and others that are not part of the usual sim standard preset.

Edited January 7, 2016 by Stab/JG26_5tuka