Why not a Yak-9 ?

[Guest deleted@50488]

None of the VVS fighters in BoS  / BoM is up to the level of the best Axis fighters.

 

In game, whenever I pick a VVS fighter, I am done...

 

Why can't the Yak-9 make it's way into the list of VVS aircraft ?  Wasn't it around already in 1942 ?

Edited January 4, 2016 by JCOMM

[TP_Jacko]

1944!

[LukeFF]

September 1944, to be precise.

[Guest deleted@50488]

Oops!

 

SORRY!  I meant to write Yak-9 ....

 

Idea is.. ate least I would have something at the level of the G2, F4, A3 and even the C.202...

Edited January 3, 2016 by JCOMM

[Dakpilot]

La-7 Combat trials took place in Sept 44

 

Yak 7 was around in 42 also Yak-9, and the improved Yak-1B at last stages of Stalingrad Battle

 

 

*EDIT* ninja'd

 

Cheers Dakpilot

Edited January 3, 2016 by Dakpilot

[Original_Uwe]

Because balance is irrelevant.

The soviet aircraft were in fact inferior in all but sheer numerical superiority.

There is no need to bring in a fighter that wasn't in common use during the battles portrayed.

OR- make you a deal. You get the yaks and LAs now, but we all get me262's from Mid 44 to the end.

Deal?

Edit, of course if it was a major part of the Soviet oob for the BoS, outnumbering the types we already have, then ya why not?

Edited January 4, 2016 by 4./JG53_Uwe

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

I'd assume the Yak-9 was left out because it only entered action in December 1942, whereas the improved Yak-1 and the LaGG-3 were fielded in proper numbers back in June when the German Southern offensive began while the La-5 entered full-scale production shortly after that. The same goes for the Yak-1B (an actual unofficial designation that stuck anyway). This variant itself was produced from October 1942 in Saratov (by now the only factory pushing out the Yak-1), and therefore was not as representative of the Army Air Force contingent from June to January.

 

It has to be remembered that the Yak-1 in all its iterations was such a capable aircraft that it remained in production until 1944, when it finally gave way to the Yak-3, a further development of the same aircraft that was plagued with delays.

 

The Yak-7 on the other hand was indeed present during the Battle of Stalingrad in big numbers, but although it touts a different designation performance differences from contemporary Yak-1 aircraft are very minimal. Except for the cockpit design, improved radio sets (from what I recall at least) and having an extra gun (two ShKAS early on, two Berezins from mid-1942), the performances were largely identical due to similar aerodynamics and being powered by the same engines. The Yak-7 however was over 100kg heavier and thus had its medium altitude (3700-5000m) maximum speed and climb rate slightly decreased when compared to the Yak-1, while sea level speed was 30km/h higher. Some pilots preferred the Yak-7, some preferred the Yak-1 - probably because of the radios and armament versus flying a nimbler aircraft.

 

From experience, as someone who prefers 'heavy' aircraft like the Lavochkins and the MiG-3, the Yak series can feel hopeless against contemporary German aircraft until you understand how to use their strengths and start dictating the engagement based on that. Once you do, they feel very deadly. You need to fly them really aggressively, as opposed to the more 'surgical murder' mentality of a Lavochkin pilot.

[ShamrockOneFive]

The constant back and forth on who has the best aircraft suggests to me that things are where they should be.

 

The Yak-1 and La-5 versus the versions of Bf109F-4 and G-2 modeled are a pretty good matchup. They are true contemporaries and performance matches pretty well. Yeah a Yak-1B or a Yak-9 would be great to have but they too wouldn't dramatically alter the balance. I'm going to make a guess that we'll see the Yak-9 in a follow on product (Kuban or Kursk) and that it will probably come with the Yak-9, 9D (extra fuel) and 9T (37mm cannon and altered cockpit positioning). Those would be more suited to dealing with the Bf109G-6 and FW190A-5 of the mid 1943 timeframe.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

It's interesting how in the end most major Air Forces of WW2 were still relying on 1937-1940 fighter designs with better engines and weight/aerodynamics refinements, it truly shows just how competent engineers on all ends were. Makes one wonder how different things would have looked without the Yak-1, LaGG-3, P-43, Bf-109, Fw-190, A6M, Ki-43, Spitfire, P-43, P-39 (this one in particular received relatively minor touch-ups until the King Cobra showed up) and some others I'm likely to have forgotten

[Guest deleted@50488]

Excellent information and good reasons for me to try to find a bit more in the books someone offered me recently :-)

 

Thank you all for your opinions !

[YSoMadTovarisch]

None of the VVS fighters in BoS  / BoM is up to the level of the best Axis fighters.

 

The flight model of VVS fighters in BOS would make you think otherwise.

 

[Guest deleted@50488]

The flight model of VVS fighters in BOS would make you think otherwise.

 

 

But truth is, all things being equal including my lousy fighter pilot qualities... when I go online at the DED NORMAL server, I am an "hero" if I pick Axis ( specially the Fw190 and the C.202 now that I have been trying to fly them more correctly ), and this weekend I even occupied 1st place on the ranking, with some well known pilots on the server too :-) twice!  I even considered changing my tag to "Mr. Mk. Sex" !!!

 

Then I went on with my preferred VVS fighters, and it was always, as usual, a complete disaster....

 

It's the same "pilot", the same Ace  flying both sides ( I really do not have any sort of preference and am here just for enjoying, in the very first place, the flight dynamics modeling and the beautiful scenery and weather effects... ), and I perform so poorly when flying the Yak-1, the LagG3, the La5 or the Mig-3 opposed to when I pick the 190, the C.202 or the F4....

Edited January 4, 2016 by JCOMM

[II./JG77_Manu*]

But truth is, all things being equal including my lousy fighter pilot qualities... when I go online at the DED NORMAL server, I am an "hero" if I pick Axis ( specially the Fw190 and the C.202 now that I have been trying to fly them more correctly ), and this weekend I even occupied 1st place on the ranking, with some well known pilots on the server too :-) twice!  I even considered changing my tag to "Mr. Mk. Sex" !!!

 

Then I went on with my preferred VVS fighters, and it was always, as usual, a complete disaster....

 

It's the same "pilot", the same Ace  flying both sides ( I really do not have any sort of preference and am here just for enjoying, in the very first place, the flight dynamics modeling and the beautiful scenery and weather effects... ), and I perform so poorly when flying the Yak-1, the LagG3, the La5 or the Mig-3 opposed to when I pick the 190, the C.202 or the F4....

 

But that's partly on you then mate, not wanna be rude, but it shouldn't be that much of a difference, at least considering the Yak and the La..didn't test the Mig3 too much online, so no idea about that one. Regarding the other two planes, you just have to fly them to their strengthes. They are flown differently..in fact the Yak is pretty much the easiest to fly for a "natural"..very aggresive style, always trying to turn into your enemy as fast as you can, to not let him get any advantage..in a 1v1 it's the best fighter in the game. 

La5 is a different story..in full real conditions i'd advise you to stay low, at least when there are clouds, like mostly. Fly around the objectives under cloud level, and wait for enemy planes..as soon as you see one "down there", go for it. Close cowls, and put boost on, and you will be able to catch any German plane. I have caught plenty, because they naturally think "i am flying against Russians, so i can fly/extend away, no problem". But at low level, the La5 is the fastest plane. So use it. 

Different story of course in normal, there i can't tell you too much, because i am never flying there. What is clear, is that you can't use the La5s natural advantages in that server.

What you can't/shouldn't do is fly the Russian planes like the German one's..they are not made for that kind.

[Guest deleted@50488]

Well, thx for the suggestions.

 

Manu, I am trying to get more experience in the VVS fighters... I really like them all, specially the LagG3.

 

And yes, flying in NORMAL servers can hide some of the advantages of a given model...

[II./JG77_Manu*]

Well, thx for the suggestions.

 

Manu, I am trying to get more experience in the VVS fighters... I really like them all, specially the LagG3.

 

And yes, flying in NORMAL servers can hide some of the advantages of a given model...

 

It's all about experience, when i started flying the Yak for the first time, i couldn't achieve anything..but when you fly it more you should get to a somewhat similar stage like the German planes after a while. Regarding VVS BoS fighters, I solely fly the La5 now, because the Yak doesn't feel right (not starting anything here), and the Lagg3 well..i guess that's really a tough one by far the worst Soviet fighter from BoS, so probably not the best plane to start with, when you wanna get good with VVS planes  

+1 to your last sentence

[Falco_Peregrinus]

But that's partly on you then mate, not wanna be rude, but it shouldn't be that much of a difference, at least considering the Yak and the La..didn't test the Mig3 too much online, so no idea about that one. Regarding the other two planes, you just have to fly them to their strengthes. They are flown differently..in fact the Yak is pretty much the easiest to fly for a "natural"..very aggresive style, always trying to turn into your enemy as fast as you can, to not let him get any advantage..in a 1v1 it's the best fighter in the game. 

La5 is a different story..in full real conditions i'd advise you to stay low, at least when there are clouds, like mostly. Fly around the objectives under cloud level, and wait for enemy planes..as soon as you see one "down there", go for it. Close cowls, and put boost on, and you will be able to catch any German plane. I have caught plenty, because they naturally think "i am flying against Russians, so i can fly/extend away, no problem". But at low level, the La5 is the fastest plane. So use it. 

Different story of course in normal, there i can't tell you too much, because i am never flying there. What is clear, is that you can't use the La5s natural advantages in that server.

What you can't/shouldn't do is fly the Russian planes like the German one's..they are not made for that kind.

 

 

That's very interesting, thank you for these tips.

I would love to fly more VVS planes, and in fact I always do poor in them.

 

There must be really a different "mentality" in flying them. 

[Guest deleted@50488]

In EXPERT servers, which I avoid because my flight time is rather limited, although I believe that the "secret" is also to join a team, cooperate, use communications, etc..., there is a lot more to manage in the VVS than usually in the Axis fighters, which apart from engine limitations have a lot of "auto" functions...

 

In DCS I used to fly the K-4 in manual prop pitch mode, because that was the way I could get the most out of it in combat, and now in il-2 I really have to start flying in EXPERT servers to be able to use that mode too.

Overall I find flying the 109s in il-2 BoS a LOT more harmonious than the k4 in DCS ( hence the sim change again - I keep jumping between sims ... :-/ ... and really have to decide concentrating in only one - I believe my choice of il-2 BoS is a good one ( now ) , specially because here I can fly the VVS fighters... )

 

One thing I noticed after a few dogfights in Quick Mission vs Online, is that the results of my aim and shooting are a lot more precise in Quick Mission ( offline ) mode.  My deflection shooting is much more effective. I believe this could be caused by any sort of lower network performance whenever I connect to a server  ( ? ) 

Edited January 4, 2016 by JCOMM

[II./JG77_Manu*]

In EXPERT servers, which I avoid because my flight time is rather limited, although I believe that the "secret" is also to join a team, cooperate, use communications, etc..., there is a lot more to manage in the VVS than usually in the Axis fighters, which apart from engine limitations have a lot of "auto" functions...

 

Flying in teams is always a huge upgrade compared to lone wolfing - in a 2V1 situation, you can always - at least in theory - dictate the fight, no matter how inferior your planes are. In those casual servers like Wings of Liberty etc, this makes a huge difference. Apart from that, it's also a lot more fun to chat with other people while flying to the objectives/home etc. I'd never go back to lone wolfing now.

 

In DCS I used to fly the K4 in manual prop pitch mode, because that was the way I could get the most out of it in combat, and now in il-2 I really have to start flying in EXPERT servers to be able to use that mode too.

 

To be honest, most of the Russian planes are easier to manage, then the K4 with manual prop pitch. With the Yak for example, you can fly full throttle full rpm all day, the only thing you have to take care about is your radiators. 

 

Overall I find flying the 109s in il-2 BoS a LOT more harmonious than the k4 in DCS ( hence the sim change - I keep jumping between sims ... :-/ ... and really have to decide concentrating in only one - I believe my choice of il-2 BoS is a good one ( now ) , specially because here I can fly the VVS fighters... )

 

I am flying both sims, right now more DCS, but that might change in a few weeks, when the dynamic campaigns winter break is over. I like both, both have their downsides, both have a lot nice things. Regarding the comparison between the 109s..i like them both for different reasons, don't have a favourite. K4 is harder to manage in a dogfight due to it's higher weight, i think. 

 

One thing I noticed after a few dogfights in Quick Mission vs Online, is that the results of my aim and shooting are a lot more precise in Quick Mission ( offline ) mode.  My deflection shooting is much more effective. I believe this could be caused by any sort of lower network performance whenever I connect to a server  ( ? ) 

 

I am pretty sure it has nothing to do with the network performance. Back at the start of BoS i had only a 2k internet (compared to 100k now), and i didn't notice a difference. I think the reason is rather, that the Bots are a lot more predictable. They fly a bigoted flight path, without any quick manouvers, without quick barrel rolls or negative Gs..so deflection shooting is pretty easy, because 95% of the time you can predict where they will go. A huge difference to real people, who will always try quick things to get off your aim, and wank their stick around as fast as possible. I think the difference can be described like this...imagine, the AI are rookie pilots from WW2..and the online pilots are the aces from WW2..in certain circumstances, it can be fun to fly against both sorts of enemies

Edited January 4, 2016 by II./JG77_Manu*

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

But that's partly on you then mate, not wanna be rude, but it shouldn't be that much of a difference, at least considering the Yak and the La..didn't test the Mig3 too much online, so no idea about that one. Regarding the other two planes, you just have to fly them to their strengthes. They are flown differently..in fact the Yak is pretty much the easiest to fly for a "natural"..very aggresive style, always trying to turn into your enemy as fast as you can, to not let him get any advantage..in a 1v1 it's the best fighter in the game. 

La5 is a different story..in full real conditions i'd advise you to stay low, at least when there are clouds, like mostly. Fly around the objectives under cloud level, and wait for enemy planes..as soon as you see one "down there", go for it. Close cowls, and put boost on, and you will be able to catch any German plane. I have caught plenty, because they naturally think "i am flying against Russians, so i can fly/extend away, no problem". But at low level, the La5 is the fastest plane. So use it. 

Different story of course in normal, there i can't tell you too much, because i am never flying there. What is clear, is that you can't use the La5s natural advantages in that server.

What you can't/shouldn't do is fly the Russian planes like the German one's..they are not made for that kind.

Well that tactic is rather limiting your abilities. If I take the La-5 I do climb up to 3-4km depending on the situation. It's actually very competetive against the Fw-190 up to this altitude and surely inferiour to the 109, which is not much of an issue if you make use of defensive tactics. You also got plenty of energy to convert into speed when things turn bad (2vs1) flying up higher.

 

Unlike the Yak it's all about speed in the La-5, but altitude can be a great advantage as well. If you meet an enemy down below you can engage him on your terms, if hes higher you have to fight on his.

[II./JG77_Manu*]

Well that tactic is rather limiting your abilities. If I take the La-5 I do climb up to 3-4km depending on the situation. It's actually very competetive against the Fw-190 up to this altitude and surely inferiour to the 109, which is not much of an issue if you make use of defensive tactics. You also got plenty of energy to convert into speed when things turn bad (2vs1) flying up higher.

 

Unlike the Yak it's all about speed in the La-5, but altitude can be a great advantage as well. If you meet an enemy down below you can engage him on your terms, if hes higher you have to fight on his.

 

That's true,

but with a good cloud cover i'd rather stay below clouds, where you hold pretty much every advantage with the La5, then go above the clouds, and be (relatively) easy prey for the 109s hovering there

[KoN_]

Well, thx for the suggestions.

 

Manu, I am trying to get more experience in the VVS fighters... I really like them all, specially the LagG3.

 

And yes, flying in NORMAL servers can hide some of the advantages of a given model...

Why are you flying in normal servers , best get onto expert . . VVS aircraft kick ass in this sim .

Not even going into FM.

Edited January 4, 2016 by II./JG77_Con

[Dakpilot]

 

One thing I noticed after a few dogfights in Quick Mission vs Online, is that the results of my aim and shooting are a lot more precise in Quick Mission ( offline ) mode.  My deflection shooting is much more effective. I believe this could be caused by any sort of lower network performance whenever I connect to a server  ( ? ) 

 

I think even a badly human flown A/C is harder to hit than AI, as has been said there is a 'perfection' or predictability in their flightpath, generally they will always be flown correctly trimmed and 'ball centered' (as best as AI can anyway) , online player aircraft will often be sideslipping very slightly or intentionally, and inputs will be much more varied than AI (even if inexpertly applied)

 

It is the unpredictability of human vs human that makes online very rewarding and gunnery probably harder, especially in normal servers where they (targets) are 'aware' and bouncing/surprise is uncommon

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

More than unpredictable targets I think online play also has the element of adrenaline in it. On SP you're pretty calm and calculated when making a bounce, you have a good idea of the number of bogeys around and know they are likely to be lurking around in pairs so they're hard to miss. Online even if the situation is the very same the sheer thought that some lone wolf is getting behind you makes you think a lot about defense while shooting, and there's an urge to do the adversary in quick otherwise things turn sour.

 

Lots of good advice here too To add to Manu's suggestions, the concept that made me understand the Yak-1 is simple: fly it like a I-16. It's fast, nimble and unpredictable, and on top of that more controllable than the Ishak itself. So go ahead and drag the enemy to one side before reversing straight onto him before he's in guns range. It's a bit of a ballsy style to get right but once you do it's fun (though I'll still pick a Lavochkin any day of the week).

 

On the La-5 I think Stuka is correct. One thing that worked for me on the La-5 was to try and fly CoAlt with most bogeys (usually 4-5km) at 400-500km/h in the combat area, start climbing as soon as any dot is spotted then dive back down to the old altitude to maximise the speed. First pass done, I pulled up straight while adding a little vertical separation and watched as the 109 slowly realised his climb rate wasn't going to save him, quickly rolled over my back and that's it.

 

Not La-5 related but I fired up 1946 online yesterday and had a similar engagement with the Airacobra vs. G-2. The thrill of waiting for the speed to drop and carefully manoeuvring the P-39 on the vertical and the very edge of its envelope to prevent a spin were fun, but the 600km/h dive and the one-shot 37mm kill were better.

[303_Kwiatek]

But we got Yak-9 in game actualy. Just without cut rear fuselage

[Bearcat]

None of the VVS fighters in BoS  / BoM is up to the level of the best Axis fighters.

 

In game, whenever I pick a VVS fighter, I a done...

 

Why can't the Yak-9 make it's way into the list of VVS aircraft ?  Wasn't it around already in 1942 ?

 

There are lots of folks who would disagree with you... according to many the Axis fighters are all porked and the Russian fighters are all overmodelled.. I guess it is just a matter of perspective.

[II./JG77_Manu*]

There are lots of folks who would disagree with you... according to many the Axis fighters are all porked and the Russian fighters are all overmodelled.. I guess it is just a matter of perspective.

 

Lol. That's a funny accusation. I'd like to see one of those.

[Sokol1]

Instead other fighter, why not this plane:

 

 

Is a plane, is a boat and is a tank. 

[LLv24_Zami]

There are lots of folks who would disagree with you... according to many the Axis fighters are all porked and the Russian fighters are all overmodelled.. I guess it is just a matter of perspective.

Pretty weird statement I would say. Everyone has their own perspective and based on this post it is clear what yours is.

[LukeFF]

But we got Yak-9 in game actualy. Just without cut rear fuselage

Emm...no, we do not. Not quite sure where you're getting that idea.

[GP*]

In EXPERT servers, which I avoid because my flight time is rather limited, although I believe that the "secret" is also to join a team, cooperate, use communications, etc..., there is a lot more to manage in the VVS than usually in the Axis fighters, which apart from engine limitations have a lot of "auto" functions...

 

In DCS I used to fly the K-4 in manual prop pitch mode, because that was the way I could get the most out of it in combat, and now in il-2 I really have to start flying in EXPERT servers to be able to use that mode too.

Overall I find flying the 109s in il-2 BoS a LOT more harmonious than the k4 in DCS ( hence the sim change again - I keep jumping between sims ... :-/ ... and really have to decide concentrating in only one - I believe my choice of il-2 BoS is a good one ( now ) , specially because here I can fly the VVS fighters... )

 

One thing I noticed after a few dogfights in Quick Mission vs Online, is that the results of my aim and shooting are a lot more precise in Quick Mission ( offline ) mode. My deflection shooting is much more effective. I believe this could be caused by any sort of lower network performance whenever I connect to a server ( ? )

Why do you feel the need to swear your allegiance to just one sim?

 

They're not women you know -- no jealousy and hurt feelings if you start playing with the other!

[Guest deleted@50488]

Why do you feel the need to swear your allegiance to just one sim?

 

They're not women you know -- no jealousy and hurt feelings if you start playing with the other!

 

Have asked myself that same question, but, I really hate using more than one sim covering the same type of aircraft, because they're either redundant, or one of them is inferior overall...

 

Between DCS and IL-2 BoS the choice is almost impossible - they're both very good, each one on it's own...

[9./JG27golani79]

What you can't/shouldn't do is fly the Russian planes like the German one's..they are not made for that kind.

 

Think that is my problem because whenever I try to fly a russian plane I´m doing it significantly wrong :D

Guess I´m too used to the flying style of the german aircraft as those are the ones which I normally fly the most.

Have asked myself that same question, but, I really hate using more than one sim covering the same type of aircraft, because they're either redundant, or one of them is inferior overall...

 

Between DCS and IL-2 BoS the choice is almost impossible - they're both very good, each one on it's own...

 

Play both and have fun with them  - I do it and it works just fine

[ShamrockOneFive]

There are lots of folks who would disagree with you... according to many the Axis fighters are all porked and the Russian fighters are all overmodelled.. I guess it is just a matter of perspective.

 

That's my favourite thing and the thing that this thread is highlighting very nicely. There really isn't an avalanche of people saying that one "side" of aircraft is definitively better. Things are close enough that its, as usual, the pilot that makes all the difference in the world. For some its the 109 and for some its the La-5... or whatever. I think that its a great thing - its the knowledge, skill and practice that gives you the edge.

 

So to the OP, I'd say that we don't need the Yak-9 as the Yak-1 Series 69 is an extremely capable contender. The devs chose well! But I do hope to see the Yak-9 in the future. I'm very excited to fly that model again!

[ShamrockOneFive]

But we got Yak-9 in game actualy. Just without cut rear fuselage

 

The Yak-9 is about 20kph faster at low altitude, has a single heavy machine gun and cannon armament (optionally the 37mm in the Yak-9T), a faster time to 5000 meters by about a minute, and greater range (increased on all but some get even more range such as the Yak-9D and Yak-9DD).

 

Its an evolutionary update but its definitely an increase in performance over the Yak-1.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Back to the OPs point tho: The Yak-9 is not an option, and even if it was, it would still only have the same VK105PF in a heavier airframe. It doesn't fit in the BoS Scenario, and since the next part of the series is most likely going to be Kursk (which I will preorder as soon as it goes on sale) I'll wait for that to come around with Fw190A-5s and Bf109G-6s and whatever other wildcard the 777 guys will throw in. 

 

However, I'm also convinced that the Yak-7B should seriously be considered. It is a bit underpowered, but the 2x.50 cals and either ShvaK or 37mm Autocannon will make it a worthy LaGG-3 contender. And maybe a P-39.

And why not give us the Hurry for BoM at some later point. 

 

However. Should the Russians get the P-39 and/or Yak-7B, the Germans should get the Bf110F-series and Ju-88A-4 with all the great stuff for late 1942 (lots of Guns)

And a Hurry should give us Ju-87Bs for the German side. 

 

Concluding:

BoS:

VVS: Yak-7b/P-39&P-400

LW: Bf110F/Ju-88A-4 (And maybe Ju-88C)

 

BoM

VVS: Hurry

LW: Ju-87B

 

Sounds reasonable at least to me. 

[Y-29.Silky]

None of the VVS fighters in BoS  / BoM is up to the level of the best Axis fighters.

 

 

This isn't War Thunder. In real life the Luftwaffe had a kill/loss ration of 5/1 over Stalingrad. Russian pilots aren't getting slaughtered in this game like did in real life. Few days ago just saw a Russian with 12 kills.

 

Historical Accuracy > Balance

Edited January 5, 2016 by Y-29.Silky

[Dakpilot]

This isn't War Thunder. In real life the Luftwaffe had a kill/loss ration of 5/1 over Stalingrad. Russian pilots aren't getting slaughtered in this game like did in real life. Few days ago just saw a Russian with 12 kills.

 

Historical Accuracy > Balance

 

Well you do have a point for the early part of the Battle, but part of the 'tactics' (and some would say they were a despicable and callous use of life) the Russians used, were to grind the Germans down with the minimum amount of forces, while building up reserves for Uranus ans Saturn Ops

 

Although predominantly on the ground it was also a feature of the Air campaign, with the latest types being used, Specifically the Yak-9 and Yak-1b in the latter stages of the battle, the better aircraft were also given to the more experienced Regiments.

 

Historically the latest Russian aircraft of the period were part of the strategic tactics of VVS operation at the Battle of Stalingrad

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Aap]

It's interesting how in the end most major Air Forces of WW2 were still relying on 1937-1940 fighter designs with better engines and weight/aerodynamics refinements, it truly shows just how competent engineers on all ends were. Makes one wonder how different things would have looked without the Yak-1, LaGG-3, P-43, Bf-109, Fw-190, A6M, Ki-43, Spitfire, P-43, P-39 (this one in particular received relatively minor touch-ups until the King Cobra showed up) and some others I'm likely to have forgotten

 

I, on the other hand, am amazed how fast planes became obsolete during WWII. 

I mean, all major air forces still introduced new open cockpit bi-plane fighters in mid-30's (Grumman F3F, Gloster Gladiator, Polikarpov I-153, Arado Ar 68, Kawasaki Ki-10, Fiat CR.42) and just started to get into brand new fast monoplanes, many of which were obsolete already 5 years later. And still a couple of years later already rocket planes and jet planes started to appear. 

Compared to that, current fighters like F-16 have been around for 40 years, F-18 over 30 years and even F-22 Raptor for almost 20 years already. 

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Yea it's really fascinating. 2 weeks before the invasion of Poland lead by early mono and biplanes the first jet aircraft took off into the air. Development was so fast faced that by the time you finished one desing and put it into production 2 superiour designs were already being developed.

Edited January 5, 2016 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[Guest deleted@50488]

In a Combat Flight Simulator, IMO, many factors are in for consideration.

 

My main option is for accuracy of the aircraft, scenery and weather characteristics, if a given battle is to be modeled.

 

Virtual pilot's should find their aircraft flight and overall physics model as accuratelly reproduced as possible, including damage models, armament characteristics, etc...

 

The rest is up to the virtual pilots - they can change History - why not ?

 

If a virtual pilot, trained for long in this type of simulation games, get's proficient on a given VVS or AXIS aircraft, why should she / he be able to score 100 victories in a single session ? Is this Historically accurate ? Certainly not, but it's accurate in as far as the aircraft and armament as well as environment modeling are concerned. That is part of the thrill, at least for me, of using such a "battle-oriented" simulation... It's a "What-If" scenario simulation after all...