Loving the Sim

[Artunius]

I've changed my mind.

Edited January 9, 2016 by stuffinDmuffin

[SR-F_Winger]

Id rather go Warthog than CH.

I think if you fly mostly VVS youll definately become happy with this game. Not so much if you fly german mostly. If you do. Congrats:)

Edited December 30, 2015 by StG2_Winger

[7.GShAP/Silas]

Welcome Dmuffin! I also started with Flight Simulator 95 and Red Baron.  If you're anything like me, you'll have an awesome time flying a real, modern combat flight sim.  Enjoy all your gear, and see you out there!

 

 

 

Id rather go Warthog than CH.

I think if you fly mostly VVS youll definately become happy with this game. Well, that is if there are german pilots left that actually play it in MP:P Not so much if you fly german mostly.

 

 

Yeah, that must be why the Axis side is virtually ALWAYS stacked vs. the Soviets and full of Luftwaffe fans happy as clams in their F4's and 190's.  This thread isn't FOR you, Winger.

Edited December 30, 2015 by Silas

[coconut]

I'll echo Silas's welcome to you. I started with Flight Simulator 2, and several years later a bit of Jet Fighters 3. And then a long pause again, when I started playing Falcon BMS (but not for very long, it's a complex simulation to master). My first contact with WW2 was with War Thunder. Sticking with IL-2 for now, but I'll have to check BMS Falcon 4.33 when I get back home. Those FA-18 carrier ops look like they could be a lot of fun. Really need to check the dynamic campaign there and see what it's all about.

 

Playing with a T16000-M myself, but will have to get a new joystick, or fix the trigger, it has become glitchy. Check out VKB's hardware in the hardware section, their hardware looks very interesting. I really hope they'll make a force-feedback-enabled stick some day, those are sorely lacking on today's market.

Edited December 30, 2015 by coconut

[Mac_Messer]

Hello and welcome.

If I was thinking of the new IL2 as a franchise, I`d say you`re right on time. If we can uphold the steady development of this series, there are many things to come yet.

 

As you bought BoS I recommend you get aquainted with Cliffs of Dover as the next IL2 installment - the Battle of Moscow - features both the Bf109 Emil and Messerschmitt Bf110. At first sight the ClOD complicated engine management seems a bit more sophisticated, so if you get the hang of flying those crates, I think you`ll feel the BoM planes right at home.

 

As an experienced virtual pilot I would urge you to learn the taxing and taking off as much as training split S and so on. IMO todays virtual pilots are too careless when it comes to the fundamentals.

 

For a friendly advice I`d say that in the simming world you come across different people. Some are hobby flyers, some are competitive. If you meet the second type dont feel bad - they often lose their grasp on reality and can be misunderstanding at times. Whereas we are all here to have fun. Just don`t take it personally.

[Artunius]

Id rather go Warthog than CH.

I think if you fly mostly VVS youll definately become happy with this game. Not so much if you fly german mostly. If you do. Congrats:)

VVS is a bit tough right now with all of that engine management. I'm sure I'll get used to it with time and more buttons/hat switches to adjust all the radiators/mixtures/pitch/rpm, etc. I hear they're pretty beastly fighters once you get the hang of things.

 

The Axis side seems super easy to at least fly with all of that being automated. Took off and flew around in my 190 for a bit the other night on a MP server.

 

Of all the vids I watched, the Warthog seemed more like it was built for jet fighters. I think the CH stuff looks a little gamey/retro but I'm not going to regret my purchase or anything.

 

 

I'll echo Silas's welcome to you. I started with Flight Simulator 2, and several years later a bit of Jet Fighters 3. And then a long pause again, when I started playing Falcon BMS (but not for very long, it's a complex simulation to master). My first contact with WW2 was with War Thunder. Sticking with IL-2 for now, but I'll have to check BMS Falcon 4.33 when I get back home. Those FA-18 carrier ops look like they could be a lot of fun. Really need to check the dynamic campaign there and see what it's all about.

 

Playing with a T16000-M myself, but will have to get a new joystick, or fix the trigger, it has become glitchy. Check out VKB's hardware in the hardware section, their hardware looks very interesting. I really hope they'll make a force-feedback-enabled stick some day, those are sorely lacking on today's market.

 

The T16000 is a great stick for the money, it's served me well the past couple years. I was thinking more into realism and future proofing with all the new hardware. I also played War Thunder a bit but I wasn't feeling it because I felt like the mouse players had an advantage with aiming over joystick players.

Hello and welcome.

If I was thinking of the new IL2 as a franchise, I`d say you`re right on time. If we can uphold the steady development of this series, there are many things to come yet.

 

As you bought BoS I recommend you get aquainted with Cliffs of Dover as the next IL2 installment - the Battle of Moscow - features both the Bf109 Emil and Messerschmitt Bf110. At first sight the ClOD complicated engine management seems a bit more sophisticated, so if you get the hang of flying those crates, I think you`ll feel the BoM planes right at home.

 

As an experienced virtual pilot I would urge you to learn the taxing and taking off as much as training split S and so on. IMO todays virtual pilots are too careless when it comes to the fundamentals.

 

For a friendly advice I`d say that in the simming world you come across different people. Some are hobby flyers, some are competitive. If you meet the second type dont feel bad - they often lose their grasp on reality and can be misunderstanding at times. Whereas we are all here to have fun. Just don`t take it personally.

 

Some of the BOM planes feel like a step backwards compared to the BOS planes, though.... it is a earlier timeframe. I don't want to step on any toes, but I do want to help with the development of the franchise, so I'll probably pick it up eventually. I'm a bit overwhelmed with everything I bought in the Steam sale and finishing up my backlog of other games.

 

I hear you on the fundamentals. Sometimes I still go all Red Baron and start trying to turn fight people in WW2 sims because it's fun to get down there and dirty, when I need to think more like a knife fighter and do my pendulums, yo-yo's, scissors, split s, etc. I always have a lot of issues with clearing my six when I fly solo, then again... I should stay higher up and never let anyone on my six.

 

Still, as long as I'm having fun I guess...

Edited December 30, 2015 by stuffinDmuffin

[SR-F_Winger]

VVS is a bit tough right now with all of that engine management. I'm sure I'll get used to it with time and more buttons/hat switches to adjust all the radiators/mixtures/pitch/rpm, etc. I hear they're pretty beastly fighters once you get the hang of things.

 

The Axis side seems super easy to at least fly with all of that being automated. Took off and flew around in my 190 for a bit the other night on a MP server.

 

Of all the vids I watched, the Warthog seemed more like it was built for jet fighters. I think the CH stuff looks a little gamey/retro but I'm not going to regret my purchase or anything.

 

 

 

The T16000 is a great stick for the money, it's served me well the past couple years. I was thinking more into realism and future proofing with all the new hardware. I also played War Thunder a bit but I wasn't feeling it because I felt like the mouse players had an advantage with aiming over joystick players.

 

Some of the BOM planes feel like a step backwards compared to the BOS planes, though.... it is a earlier timeframe. I don't want to step on any toes, but I do want to help with the development of the franchise, so I'll probably pick it up eventually. I'm a bit overwhelmed with everything I bought in the Steam sale and finishing up my backlog of other games.

 

I hear you on the fundamentals. Sometimes I still go all Red Baron and start trying to turn fight people in WW2 sims because it's fun to get down there and dirty, when I need to think more like a knife fighter and do my pendulums, yo-yo's, scissors, split s, etc. I always have a lot of issues with clearing my six when I fly solo, then again... I should stay higher up and never let anyone on my six.

 

Still, as long as I'm having fun I guess...

Edited since i actually dont really care anymore:P Hopeless anyways. So have fun with the game dude.

 

Oh and on the T16000 i agree. Very good and precise joystick (Hallsensors) for the small money you gotta pay for it.

Edited December 30, 2015 by StG2_Winger

[kendo]

[Sgt_Joch]

welcome aboard, BoS is a great flightsim.

 

I also use a CH fighterstick/throttle, it is perfect for BoS/RoF.

Edited December 30, 2015 by Sgt_Joch

[SharpeXB]

 Of all the vids I watched, the Warthog seemed more like it was built for jet fighters. I think the CH stuff looks a little gamey/retro but I'm not going to regret my purchase or anything

The CH gear is a great choice. First of all their stuff is built very well, you'll notice on the site they also make commercial and military joysticks. And compared to a Warthog you could get the whole set of stick, throttle and pedals for less money. I've used mine constantly for about five years with zero problems.

Of particular benefit to this game is the sticks travel range. Compared to some other joysticks the Fighterstick has a longer throw, which makes it more accurate. You hear a lot of feedback about the planes in this game feeling bouncy or jumpy, a longer throw on the stick helps a lot with this.

The Warthog is in fact designed to replicate exactly the A-10Cs HOTAS system. The Fighterstick is the same style too and that's what I use in DCS A-10. The CH set actually has enough buttons to handle that sim well too.

[Hoots]

Hey stuffin, I was online when you popped in, glad you enjoyed it, I can't dogfight for toffee so mainly do ground attack. Blowing stuff up is more fun anyway

[SCG_Neun]

Welcome to the Community and glad you are enjoying the Sim.  It's a great game and it gets better with time....Every update brings out something new and tweaks some things in the process.  Have fun!

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I flew with all CH gear for years. It will do you good for a long time. My new setup is in my sig and it is quite a bit better - but that is for later in your career. Just an aside, I set up all of my controls on the Warthog in the BOS interface and it works quite well but BOS is pretty much my only flight sim anymore except some training for helo's on occasion. I hear TARGET is very good if you take the time to do the programming but have not done so thus far.

 

Welcome to the game. It's a hoot.

 

Welcome to the community. It's a hoot (watch out for the curmudgeons).

 

*Edit,

 

Seriously, I did not see Hoots was a member and/or responding in this thread.

Edited December 30, 2015 by [LBS]HerrMurf

[Guest deleted@50488]

Indeed a very nice ww2 combat flight simulation.

 

My experience, since I use a T.16000, truned into an even better one when I decided to try some curves for pitch and yaw sensitivity.

 

I set PITCH and YAW at 60%, and the three axis with a null zone of 8% at the center.  The sim feels a lot better to me this way because control inputs are less wonky with my mid-low standard hardware.

[KoN_]

Welcome , your new CH sticks will do a dam good job .

[andyw248]

Welcome to this forum!

 

I think the Warthog is a good choice even for the stick since you can then also buy a stick extension which makes it even better. I had a CH stick before but its sensitivity was not as good as the Warthog. For the pedals I think the CH pedals are fine, just make sure to set curves on them once you get them, otherwise they will be too sensitive. You can set curves in the CH Control Studio that you will get on CD with the pedals - just make sure they are less sensitive close to the center.

 

And yes, we've come a long way since the early days of flight simulation... I started with MS Flight Simulator 95, which got me into flying gliders... later on I learned to fly powered aircraft but never lost my interest in flight sims as they became better and better over the years. And this sim is definitely the best you can get at the moment

[1./KG4_Blackwolf]

The CH gear is a great choice. First of all their stuff is built very well, you'll notice on the site they also make commercial and military joysticks. And compared to a Warthog you could get the whole set of stick, throttle and pedals for less money. I've used mine constantly for about five years with zero problems.

Of particular benefit to this game is the sticks travel range. Compared to some other joysticks the Fighterstick has a longer throw, which makes it more accurate. You hear a lot of feedback about the planes in this game feeling bouncy or jumpy, a longer throw on the stick helps a lot with this.

The Warthog is in fact designed to replicate exactly the A-10Cs HOTAS system. The Fighterstick is the same style too and that's what I use in DCS A-10. The CH set actually has enough buttons to handle that sim well too.

Oh crap I find I agree with SharpeXB? (sorry buddy had to poke fun at you) Ch products will do fine for you. I've had them for well over seven years now and they work great, still. I use saitek pedals because I feel the CH ones are a little narrow of a stance for my liking. Other than that I'm CH products all the way. They may look like cheap plastic, playschool toys, but they work every time and last for ever. Oh and welcome to the addiction. S!

[ACG_KaiLae]

Blackwolf and I use the same setup. CH don't look that good when you look at them - but they work extremely well and last forever. If Volvo was a stick company, it would be CH.

[GP*]

CH stuff has great durability and will last you forever. With that being said, I sold mine after a year because the stick forces were just way too light. But then again, even the stock Warthog barely has enough resistance as far as ok concerned, so I'm an outlier .

[andyw248]

The difference between CH and the Warthog is the sensitivity. When it comes down to precision CH feels like it's going in increments. Warthog is continuous and therefore feels more precise. I think it has something to do with the kind of potentiometer they use but I'm not sure about the details.

[Guest deleted@50488]

The difference between CH and the Warthog is the sensitivity. When it comes down to precision CH feels like it's going in increments. Warthog is continuous and therefore feels more precise. I think it has something to do with the kind of potentiometer they use but I'm not sure about the details.

 

Andy, the difference is that the Warthog does not use potentiometers but HAL sensors ( magnetic, field based, no physical contact and necessarily associated wear... )

 

A friend once offered me his old Warthog Cougar HOTAS, with pots. I didn't really like the forces, specially when flying choppers, and after a couple of months I had to replace the pots.... They lasted just a few more months, and got spiky again :-/

 

I now have a T.16000, which is unexpensive and based in the very same HAL sensor technology.

[Artunius]

I'll let you guys know how I like the CH stuff when it comes in today.

 

Hopefully I don't end up returning it to Amazon and get the Warthog, lol.

[Guest deleted@50488]

Honestly, I have never tried the new Warthog, but I've been told that the forces are similar to those on the old COUGAR HOTAS, and, I did try that one and.... The "spring" forces are, IMHO, not suitable for the kind of handling we need with a simulation of ww2 fighters...

 

I would buy a Warthog ( well, I wouldn't actually - it's just too expensive... ) if I was going to use an Airbus simulator ( professional ) like Airlinetools A32X, or the new Falcon BMS 4.33

[GP*]

The warthog is not as stiff as the cougar, so to speak

[Sgt_Joch]

it is really a matter of personal preference, I have a modded Cougar with FSSB R1+hall sensors, very solid and precise, but it does not have the right "feel" for WW1/2, so I only use it now for DCS.

 

I had purchased the CH fighterstick/throttle as a backup, but it is the only stick I use now in BoS.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

A funny anecdote about the Cougar:

 

Brazilian Air Force pilots of a MB-326 (AT-26) and EMB-312 (AT-27) advanced training squadron bought a Cougar for their 'chill room' so that whomever could take a break playing flight simulators. Once they were hosting a flight of F-5E pilots over for an exercise, and the Tiger pilots had a go at the flight sims during a break. Turns out they all hated it, and said it was too ridiculously heavy!

[BlackDevil]

Don´t take the CH pedals. They are much too close. I did ditch mine after a week. Take the Saitek, or invest in good quality pedals.

[Artunius]

http://imgur.com/h0oZWhR

 

Upgraded from TIR4 to 5 while I was at it, lol.

 

Will BOS/BOM be getting Oculus Rift support?

Edited January 1, 2016 by stuffinDmuffin

[SCG_Tzigy]

Congrats and welcome

[Artunius]

The pedals seem to be my biggest problem. I can't get a plane off the ground with them. I had the twist rudder down to a science using one for the past couple years, but I've tried this and the other IL-2 titles and I can't seem to get it down with the rudder pedals. I guess I'll need to practice more. I feel like I'm learning to walk again.

 

Edit: Nevermind... would help if I calibrated the stuff in CH Manager after doing it in Windows. The stick had a slight zone where it was nosing down the whole time. Explains why I was going so slow and kept tearing my prop up.... moving along.

Edited January 1, 2016 by stuffinDmuffin

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

The one thing I really miss about the CH Combat Stick since switching to the Warthog is the trim function. The rotor trims on the base work in game.

[Artunius]

The one thing I really miss about the CH Combat Stick since switching to the Warthog is the trim function. The rotor trims on the base work in game.

 

Didn't know that. I have everything set to the hats pretty much. Initially I made everything one device but I lost functionality on two of the hats on the throttle, but I have everything working now, including the toe brakes. It'll help to get the trim on the rotors.

 

I feel super dangerous with the pedals on takeoff still. I paid money for peripherals that made me a worse pilot. Sticking to single player til I'm not a danger to the people around me.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

What AC are you flying? I have pedal advice for German fighters if you want it.

[Guest deleted@1562]

Honestly, I have never tried the new Warthog, but I've been told that the forces are similar to those on the old COUGAR HOTAS, and, I did try that one and.... The "spring" forces are, IMHO, not suitable for the kind of handling we need with a simulation of ww2 fighters...

 

I would buy a Warthog ( well, I wouldn't actually - it's just too expensive... ) if I was going to use an Airbus simulator ( professional ) like Airlinetools A32X, or the new Falcon BMS 4.33

It is very easy to mod the Warthog joystick to achieve a spring tension you like. I removed the big tough spring and have only the 4 remaining soft support springs left in and it's perfect for me.

[Guest deleted@50488]

It is very easy to mod the Warthog joystick to achieve a spring tension you like. I removed the big tough spring and have only the 4 remaining soft support springs left in and it's perfect for me.

 

Thx for your suggestion Wittman.

 

Unfortunately I shelved it since I would have to replace, again, the pots :-/

 

I am very glad with my T.16000 now too, and still using the throttle quadrant from a broken X.52 Pro :-)

Edited January 2, 2016 by JCOMM

[Artunius]

What AC are you flying? I have pedal advice for German fighters if you want it.

 

I've been playing them all. German planes are the easiest to takeoff, fly, and fight in both BoS and CloD to me. I'm used to the BnZ stuff from other sims.

 

Don't ask me about my landings...

 

 

 

Been addicted to ROF too. Trying to split my time between all 3.

 

1C and 777 make a damn good combination. 

Edited January 2, 2016 by stuffinDmuffin

[Hoots]

I flew with all CH gear for years. It will do you good for a long time. My new setup is in my sig and it is quite a bit better - but that is for later in your career. Just an aside, I set up all of my controls on the Warthog in the BOS interface and it works quite well but BOS is pretty much my only flight sim anymore except some training for helo's on occasion. I hear TARGET is very good if you take the time to do the programming but have not done so thus far.

 

Welcome to the game. It's a hoot.

 

Welcome to the community. It's a hoot (watch out for the curmudgeons).

 

*Edit,

 

Seriously, I did not see Hoots was a member and/or responding in this thread.

This made me lol

Didn't know that. I have everything set to the hats pretty much. Initially I made everything one device but I lost functionality on two of the hats on the throttle, but I have everything working now, including the toe brakes. It'll help to get the trim on the rotors.

 

I feel super dangerous with the pedals on takeoff still. I paid money for peripherals that made me a worse pilot. Sticking to single player til I'm not a danger to the people around me.

I fly gliders irl so use the rudder A LOT and even so moving from twist stick to pedals in game made me fly appallingly. Once you get used to them though the finesse returns and it's a much better experience.

[Artunius]

This made me lol

 

I fly gliders irl so use the rudder A LOT and even so moving from twist stick to pedals in game made me fly appallingly. Once you get used to them though the finesse returns and it's a much better experience.

 

My wrist hurts less from twisting so much at least. I think it ended up becoming second nature, just like this will over time. Makes me wish I started with a HOTAS setup.

 

95-2004 - Gravis Blackhawk (didn't even know what a rudder was back in 95, I was only like 7.)

 

Didn't fly sims again til 2012, and got the T16000M.

[Guest deleted@50488]

This made me lol

 

I fly gliders irl so use the rudder A LOT and even so moving from twist stick to pedals in game made me fly appallingly. Once you get used to them though the finesse returns and it's a much better experience.

 

Somehow my problem too, after 35 yrs of flying gliders, and with the usual much heavier rudder forces compared specially to roll forces ...

[Artunius]

What's with the default trimming setup in some of the planes? The LAGG-3 is almost impossible to takeoff/taxi unless you hit Ctrl + T to clear your trim. Is there a way to set all the trims to 0% default?