[PLEE] Please fix the magnetic snow!!!!! PLEASE for the love of all that is holy.

[SOLIDKREATE]

DEV's,

 

 

Can you please, please do something about the magnetic snow? I spawn in my 110 and I am in 2ft of snow and cannot get out all full power which is astonishing considering this plane is not propelled by it's wheels. I mean you barely touch the snow bank and it sucks your entire plane into it. Can you please fix the airfields so we don't spawn somewhere we can't even taxi out of?  This is not only frustrating but infuriating. I am not the only player to experience this. Make a poll and see what I mean. I am begging you, begging, please fix this.

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

Don't forget the magnetic dirt.  The problem appears to be that the ground just off the taxi ways (by inches) is like deep snow or sand versus a more gradual loosening of the surface.

[bokepacha]

In soviet russia, dirt planes you.

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

its called clay and if its wet it will suck your wheels in. sorry realism.

 

stay out of it

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

Well, if clay, on the dry days I'm flying on, it should be like concrete.

Edited December 25, 2015 by MrStick

[Ace_Pilto]

Well, if clay, on the dry days I'm flying on, it should be like concrete.

 

...and full of ruts, holes and deep wheel tracks.

[Y-29.SugaBizkit]

its called clay and if its wet it will suck your wheels in. sorry realism.

 

stay out of it

I have a similar issue on certain maps. It seems some airfield spawns where you can take the 110, you start in deep snow and have to do some funky stuff to get out of it

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Don't get slow in snow it's really a fresh concrete!

Edited December 25, 2015 by tomcatqw

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

...and full of ruts, holes and deep wheel tracks.

 

Oh ya, I forgot about all the stories of Luftwaffe ground personnel sitting around watching aircraft nose over in ruts right next to the taxi ways.  That must have been fun to watch.  I wonder why they didn't just fill those ruts in?  Lazy bastards.

Edited December 25, 2015 by MrStick

[Bullets]

I certainly think sometimes that a few pilots here don't really know what "outside" is like...  what we have now is ground textures which are very hard to judge what the terrain is going to be like. Large flat green fields like we have shouldn't be like driving through a swamp which is certainly what It feels like at the moment. I have no problem with the "swampy" ground existing I just wish it wasn't everywhere which in reality it isn't and it have a fitting bumpy texture. There should also be a lot "smoother" ground which obviously shouldn't be smooth to taxi over but isn't that problematic. I was taxiing the Mig in the section between the runway and the taxiway and I couldn't move until I put on 100% throttle.. The wheels were stuck in the "swamp" and this was in summer!.... 

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN! !

 

FOR THE FIRST TIME ON A FLIGHT SIM. ..

 

THE BIGGEST INNOVATION EVER!!

 

 

TAXIIIIIIIING!!

 

 

 

 

Jokes apart, taxiing is necessary. I wish people were unable to take off from ramp and they should park their planes back on ramp via a taxiway or no points and stats. I am evil

Edited December 25, 2015 by 6./ZG26_Gielow

[Ace_Pilto]

Oh ya, I forgot about all the stories of Luftwaffe ground personnel sitting around watching aircraft nose over in ruts right next to the taxi ways.  That must have been fun to watch.  I wonder why they didn't just fill those ruts in?  Lazy bastards.

 

Yes they were sitting around, on the wing tips or the tail and making sure the pilot didn't run into nasty obstacles.

 

Edited December 25, 2015 by JimmyBlonde

[Y-29.Silky]

Wasnt it to counter all the guys who took off without taxiing? Besides the fact that it is realistic.

 

Otherwise I think it's an ME issue. Only in WoL I notice at some airfields the aircraft are bogged down at spawn due to the weight which is especially frustrating when you're trying to He-111. That server rarely uses actual airfields anymore.

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

Wasnt it to counter all the guys who took off without taxiing? Besides the fact that it is realistic.

 

Otherwise I think it's an ME issue. Only in WoL I notice at some airfields the aircraft are bogged down at spawn due to the weight which is especially frustrating when you're trying to He-111. That server rarely uses actual airfields anymore.

Do they have a thread ???  People need to report about it so mission designers can work on it.

 

 

I remember once I started a 111 and there was a tree right in front of my horizontal stabilizator and I could not taxi LoL   

[TP_Jacko]

If an aircraft spawns in deep snow or off the hard standing in summer/autum maps then make a polite comment to the ME about thd problem and location. The mission builder can make adjustments to the spawn point. Then use your skill to keep on the taxiway. Most of the loss of control is from high engine speed. Simples.

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

Yes they were sitting around, on the wing tips or the tail and making sure the pilot didn't run into nasty obstacles.

 

 

How did they avoid the bomb craters on the runway that didn't get filled in because everybody was riding on the wings?  Oh, I'm sorry, they filled the bomb craters but left all the deep ruts next to the taxi ways?  I understand now.

[SOLIDKREATE]

If an aircraft spawns in deep snow or off the hard standing in summer/autum maps then make a polite comment to the ME about thd problem and location. The mission builder can make adjustments to the spawn point. Then use your skill to keep on the taxiway. Most of the loss of control is from high engine speed. Simples.

 

 

I can taxi just fine in any other plane, even the Fw-190 in snow. It's the 110 that does not work properly.

 

I know why they did this however it doesn't stop people from taking off where they spawn in a straight line. I watch 109's and 190's do it all the time.

[Ace_Pilto]

How did they avoid the bomb craters on the runway that didn't get filled in because everybody was riding on the wings?  Oh, I'm sorry, they filled the bomb craters but left all the deep ruts next to the taxi ways?  I understand now.

 

[Edited]

Edited December 30, 2015 by Bearcat

[AbortedMan]

How did they avoid the bomb craters on the runway that didn't get filled in because everybody was riding on the wings?  Oh, I'm sorry, they filled the bomb craters but left all the deep ruts next to the taxi ways?  I understand now.

They left the ruts that were next to the taxiways because no pilot was stupid enough to roll off of the taxiway where aircraft shouldn't be. Simple as that.

 

Figure it out and it won't be an issue.

[TP_Jacko]

I can taxi just fine in any other plane, even the Fw-190 in snow. It's the 110 that does not work properly.

 

I know why they did this however it doesn't stop people from taking off where they spawn in a straight line. I watch 109's and 190's do it all the time.

I wonder how the pe2 behaves in same situation. Maybe heavier aircraft sink deeper. Must admit i have not tried this in the 110 or pe2 myself. Will have to wait for the New year now

Cheers

Jacko

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

The off runway ground handling is, for the most part, very well done.  My only issue is the deepness of the soft ground directly next to the taxi ways.  I can taxi any aircraft in the game without an issue except the 110.  I didn't bring up the ridiculous idea of the ruts.  If there were hazards next to taxi ways, they would have been dealt with due to the value of the aircraft.  Simple common sense.

 

Oh, and to suggest that others have a learning disorder because they disagree with one's lame arguments goes beyond the pale.

[7.GShAP/Silas]

Deep snow is the kiss of death to the laden Pe-2, He-111 and BF-110 with the 110 being the most sensitive.  It's not difficult to guess why:  The (front)heavy 110 hits the deep snow, it's teeny weeny spindly spider legs sink deeply, and when power is applied it either sits there or if you develop forward momentum and aren't extremely careful, rather than powering through it falls on it's face.  Of course the Stuka and the IL-2 do not suffer from this terrible fate(though caution should still be exercised) .

 

The pilot who could not manage to keep his aircraft on the cleared taxiway would quickly cease being a pilot.  In game terms, whatever keeps pilots on the taxiways and using runways is a positive. If nature provides rather than forcing server hosts to place curtains of trucks, all the better.

Edited December 26, 2015 by Silas

[KoN_]

I have got stuck on the odd occasion , just re-spawn back  in . Take your time to taxi , lower flaps stage one . use wheel breaks , use less tail wheel . I think its only the 110 that is getting stuck in snow , I have seen it a few times now . 

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

I agree with those who say taxi slow and carefully. Bf110 you won't need more than 15% power to taxi. Open your canopy and head out.

 

Remember regulations, taxi speed should be the same speed of a man walking.

[Ace_Pilto]

The off runway ground handling is, for the most part, very well done.  My only issue is the deepness of the soft ground directly next to the taxi ways.  I can taxi any aircraft in the game without an issue except the 110.  I didn't bring up the ridiculous idea of the ruts.  If there were hazards next to taxi ways, they would have been dealt with due to the value of the aircraft.  Simple common sense.

 

Oh, and to suggest that others have a learning disorder because they disagree with one's lame arguments goes beyond the pale.

 

Okay chum, since you have such a keen interest in the subject I'll take the time out of my day (which incidentally my birthday, well, for the next hour it still is, technically) to paint you a picture of how life on a front-line airfield works.

 

So sit back, relax, make yourself a cuppa and imagine, if you will, that my name is Major Jimmy Blonde, Officer commanding "X" Staffel, Jagdgeschwader "Y" based at crummy airfield "Z" on the Stalingrad front.

 

At my disposal I have 16 pilots, a nominal strength of 16 aircraft and 3 designated ground crew for each aircraft. One fitter, one rigger and one crew chief. I also have a few senior NCOs to supervise and administrate aircraft maintenance. To support this I also have a handful of administrative personnel, a security detachment, motor pool troops and mess staff. All up I have around 120-150 men depending on how much dysentery is prevalent due to the lack of clean water and ablutions, depending on how many replacements HQ has deigned to send us this month to replace those rendered unfit for duty since the field was last attacked. 

 

Airfield Z consists of two airstrips, one is 1.4 Km long and the other is 1 Km. My aircraft are dispersed around the field because I am not an incompetent ninny so I have requisitioned a couple of teams of oxen to assist in moving aircraft around the field. Due to the dispersed arrangement of my resources I have several kilometers of taxiways and tracks leading to and from dispersals, ammunition bunkers and fuel storage areas. It rains very often here. When it rains the taxiways get muddy. When it gets muddy the taxiways get fouled up if I have to move big heavy planes on them. I mitigate this by minimising all non essential traffic on the taxiways and re-directing any traffic related to munitions, refuelling and other maintenance to the sides of the taxiways so that they can be safely used by aircraft without needing constant repair. My technical personnel all work around the clock, they sleep in shifts to keep our aircraft serviceable and the airstrip open. We don't have an engineer unit permanently attached to the Staffel because manpower is at a premium and engineers are needed at the front so maintaining the taxiways and runways is a demanding task. I don't have a heavy roller or any land-moving equipment because the logistical system supplying me is under constant attack by partisans and also because it is clogged with equipment and personnel that take precedence. I'm occasionally able to spare a few men to form a detail to check and repair the taxiways and strips, quite often the pilots volunteer for this duty and spend hours hammering away at the hard clay with shovels because the mechanics and other personnel can't be spared. 

 

Lately I have received a reprimand from Oberstleutnant MrStick because three of my aircraft were written off in taxiing accidents in the space of a month. Dusty conditions and poor visibility were to blame, the aircraft ran off of the designated tracks and overturned in the rough ground alongside which is full of wheel ruts and potholes. Since I don't have the manpower to pave, level or maintain any non essential thoroughfares on the airfield I have ordered that each aircraft be towed into a preparatory area by oxen before operations and then that a mechanic should guide each pilot along the taxiway to prevent further unnecessary loss. I see this to be a more effective preventative measure than having half my men go out and spend two or three days leveling the 5 or 6 hectares of airfield that aren't needed for moving aircraft with shovels and entrenching tools every time it rains (Which is quite often, even in Summer). I am confident that Oberstleutnant MrStick would approve of these measures since it keeps my personnel gainfully occupied in duties that result in my Staffel being operational and therefore keeps OKL off of his back. 

 

Oh, by the way, you just got told son. Wilful stupidity is beyond the pale, concern or compassion for a person who exhibits signs of an unfortunate affliction is considered laudible where I come from.

Edited December 26, 2015 by JimmyBlonde

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

It's the deep soft soil right adjacent to the taxi ways (and the runways) that is the issue. The hard ground seems to fall off too quickly into surrounding soft soil within inches of the taxi way. In order for the runway and taxi way to support heavy aircraft I assume the soils would be built up with hard soils underneath. This layering would represent a shoulder of a meter or two of hard soils sloping off that currently is not there. The roadways in the game seem to have something to this effect.

 

BTW, nice little imaginative story there, not that it proves anything. I did notice that you agreed with me on repair though, “I'm occasionally able to spare a few men to form a detail to check and repair the taxiways and strips...” Mainly I think you just needed a segue for additional insults. Tsk, tsk...

Edited December 26, 2015 by MrStick

[7.GShAP/Silas]

Sparing those few men is the only reason that the taxiways are in any condition to be used at all.

[Hoots]

There are many stories of aircraft going off taxiways and becoming stuck, still happens today. Overall I think it's ok to be honest, everyone cried out for a way to stop people taking off all over the place and we now have that people are complaining about the way it's done. You can't please all of the people all of the time etc....

 

And let's think for a moment, if the biggest complaint you have is that the ground is too rough off the taxiways then things are probably going pretty well.

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

There are many stories of aircraft going off taxiways and becoming stuck, still happens today. Overall I think it's ok to be honest, everyone cried out for a way to stop people taking off all over the place and we now have that people are complaining about the way it's done. You can't please all of the people all of the time etc....

 

And let's think for a moment, if the biggest complaint you have is that the ground is too rough off the taxiways then things are probably going pretty well.

 

Before they changed the ground physics, you also could do a wheels down landing anywhere, not anymore.  Still see people taking off across taxiways/fields though.  The new physics are also great when going cross country in a tank.

[Hoots]

Before they changed the ground physics, you also could do a wheels down landing anywhere, not anymore.  Still see people taking off across taxiways/fields though.  The new physics are also great when going cross country in a tank.

But you must admit it's reduced though. And like I say, if this is the biggest problem you have with the game....

[Jade_Monkey]

Please edit the PLEE from the title, it´s hurting my eyes. I assume you meant PLEA.

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

But you must admit it's reduced though. And like I say, if this is the biggest problem you have with the game....

 

It you mean the takeoffs across the taxiways/fields being reduced, I think it is.  Not sure if the new ground physics were implemented to help stop that or in anticipation of the tanks.  Maybe both.

 

Ya, I have very few issues with the sim.  I like the new ground physics.  Like I said, it's only the speed of the transition from hard to soft soil off the taxi way that I think is an issue with the ground physics.  At the moment it is only affecting my Me-110 taxiing.

Edited December 26, 2015 by MrStick

[SOLIDKREATE]

There are many stories of aircraft going off taxiways and becoming stuck, still happens today. Overall I think it's ok to be honest, everyone cried out for a way to stop people taking off all over the place and we now have that people are complaining about the way it's done. You can't please all of the people all of the time etc....

 

And let's think for a moment, if the biggest complaint you have is that the ground is too rough off the taxiways then things are probably going pretty well.

 

 

 

The Bf-110 is the only one who can't taxi out of deep snow. This is my issue since my entire unit is comprised of 110's. Every other plane I use can make it out just fine. Look at the image I attached and see where I spawned, in the deep snow. People still take off from wherever they want i.e. 190 pilots and 109 pilots, basically any fighter can.

 

 

And to the guy who said pilots weren't stupid enough to get stuck, look at my image too. I suppose it's my fault I spawned on top of a magnet?

 

 

 

Edited December 27, 2015 by 6./ZG1=SPEKTRE76

[Dakpilot]

Surely what is needed is a change of spawn points..not in deep snow, and a look at the issue why Bf110 is the only aircraft affected

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[AbortedMan]

The Bf-110 is the only one who can't taxi out of deep snow. This is my issue since my entire unit is comprised of 110's. Every other plane I use can make it out just fine. Look at the image I attached and see where I spawned, in the deep snow. People still take off from wherever they want i.e. 190 pilots and 109 pilots, basically any fighter can.

 

 

And to the guy who said pilots weren't stupid enough to get stuck, look at my image too. I suppose it's my fault I spawned on top of a magnet?

 

 

 

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That's an issue to take up with the mission maker, not 777.

[Ace_Pilto]

 Like I said, it's only the speed of the transition from hard to soft soil off the taxi way that I think is an issue with the ground physics.  

 

I guess that has to do with camber, you need drainage for firm taxiways and this causes the edges to fill up with mud and rough ground. Miles and miles of it, too much to really fill in without mechanical equipment which was what I was getting at earlier. 

 

I'm all for wider taxiways if it makes life a bit easier for people flying larger types, why would an airfield have taxiways that are too narrow for the types operating there? It makes sense when you put it like that.

 

P.S. I can't think of any good insults today MrStick so you get a break.

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

The Bf-110 is the only one who can't taxi out of deep snow. This is my issue since my entire unit is comprised of 110's. Every other plane I use can make it out just fine. Look at the image I attached and see where I spawned, in the deep snow. People still take off from wherever they want i.e. 190 pilots and 109 pilots, basically any fighter can.

 

 

And to the guy who said pilots weren't stupid enough to get stuck, look at my image too. I suppose it's my fault I spawned on top of a magnet?

 

 

 

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You got to throttle up and kick left rudder to move.

 

For some reason you always got to kick left rudder to start moving even on summer.

[ACG_KaiLae]

Look I'm not against the ground handling in principle. But, it's bugged. Spawn on an airfield in multiplayer, and do nothing - except watch aircraft take off. It looks like they are all on pogo sticks, La-5 just looks ridiculous. I also once spawned in a plane and then noticed that before I turned the engine on the aircraft was bouncing slightly up and down. What's likely happening is a bug with collision detection that is causing these issues. Once they find and fix it, it'll likely get better.

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

I guess that has to do with camber, you need drainage for firm taxiways and this causes the edges to fill up with mud and rough ground. Miles and miles of it, too much to really fill in without mechanical equipment which was what I was getting at earlier.

 

I'm all for wider taxiways if it makes life a bit easier for people flying larger types, why would an airfield have taxiways that are too narrow for the types operating there? It makes sense when you put it like that.

 

P.S. I can't think of any good insults today MrStick so you get a break.

Actually planes are very stable on taxiing, but on PC simulations they seem to go every where but stay on taxi ways.

[Hoots]

Actually planes are very stable on taxiing, but on PC simulations they seem to go every where but stay on taxi ways.

Rather a generalisation. Some are, some aren't, and experience also comes into it, our robin, which is a tricycle gear, takes a little while until you get used to the sponginess of the responses. Tail draggers are worse especially in any wind (although I've never flown any).

 

There's one of requiem's brilliant videos somewhere that shows him taxiing with great precision.