Mig 3 - First Impressions

[EAF19_Marsh]

Sorry for stupid question, but I cannot seem to get the MiG-3 water radiator to move; have I missed something?

Otherwise, I love her!

Edited December 23, 2015 by EAF19_Marsh

[Finkeren]

I thought the P-40 was absolutely awful when I first flew it...then I realized I was loading it full of 100% fuel each time I tested it...which is like 4 hours of fuel. If you run at ~50% fuel (can go even less for the average MP sortie...that's 2 hours of flight time at max continuous) the P-40 cleans up extremely nicely in all but climb.

Not my experience, even though I never bring more than 60% fuel in the P-40. It still feels awfully sluggish to me.

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

Sorry for stupid question, but I cannot seem to get the MiG-3 water radiator to move; have I missed something?

 

Otherwise, I love her!

its under the belly, a flap 

[Finkeren]

Sorry for stupid question, but I cannot seem to get the MiG-3 water radiator to move; have I missed something?

 

Otherwise, I love her!

The radiators work exactly the same as on all other Soviet inline engine aircraft. There are even dials on the dashboard showing the position of each type of radiator, so it's very easy to confirm if they're working. Edited December 23, 2015 by Finkeren

[GOZR]

@Stab/JG26_5tuka

German technology yes they were actually measuring their aircraft to counter German aircraft onso very smart to actually look inside their opponent ..now  about tech.. well Russian copied and learned the most by French aircraft engineering which pre 40 were the best . Just let make things straight    

Edited December 23, 2015 by GOZR

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

 

MiG's 21,000

[MK_RED13]

Hmmmmmmm.... at 21.000 use flaps to turn???? Please can you post here TRK file? Thank you very much!

[Trinkof]

Unfortunately [Edited]

"noticable in these game"...

 

Either we do not play the same game.... Or you should invest a little bit more time in it

[303_Kwiatek]

I unfortunately bought BOM recently and tried I-16 vs 109 E-7 speed at sea level and i cant belive what i see.  It looks like bad joke.

Edited December 24, 2015 by 303_Kwiatek

[smink1701]

Does the cockpit perspective seem a little off to anyone.  When you look down it appears to me like the stick it too low and too small.

[Danziger]

Can you add the wing gun pods to any of the armament options or just the default armament?

[Finkeren]

I unfortunately bought BOM recently and tried I-16 vs 109 E-7 speed at sea level and i cant belive what i see. It looks like bad joke.

What looks like a bad joke exactly? Can you describe the problem?

 

When I speed tested the I-16 (back in Summer all right) the I-16 did something like 475 km/h at SL (on the Winter map) The E7 does around 500 in Summer.

 

The I-16 vs. E7 is an amazingly fun matchup, because they each have their strengths and weaknesses.

 

I-16 has the edge in accelleration, turn- and roll rate as well as having the best FoV. The Emil is faster (especially at altitude) climbs better, dives a lot better and is more forgiving in flight.

 

I really don't see anything wrong here.

[GOZR]

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Edited December 24, 2015 by GOZR

[Finkeren]

Can you add the wing gun pods to any of the armament options or just the default armament?

Haven't tried with ShVAKs but you can make a 4xUB MiG which is pretty good for Heinkel hunting, the pods don't completely ruin performance.

[Danziger]

Yeah that's what I was thinking about hell of a bomber killer!

[Finkeren]

Yeah that's what I was thinking about hell of a bomber killer!

Better than the P-40 anyway I'd still put my money on a VYa-23 armed LaGG.

[LukeFF]

Unfortunately some ( included developers) even 70 years after war can't accept such facts which is noticable in these game

 

Grow up already.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Great video Mastiff! I love how it just swiftly glides through the air at high altitudes. For the lack of a better analogy it flies like a hot knife through butter.

[LukeFF]

Can you add the wing gun pods to any of the armament options or just the default armament?

 

You can mix and match the gunpods with any of the other loadouts, except for the rockets and bombs.

 

This was reported years ago and never corrected

 

Like I already told you, there's nothing wrong here. After all of this time and all of this development, if the guys thought there was something wrong with the proportions of the model, then they would have corrected them.

 

The alignment with the gun sights is also off  an example of the i-16 is a big error ratio like a very good example of the Nieuport 17 in RoF position made for hat switch game style pilots

 

Umm...I can show you real-world pictures of the same gunsight setup the team modeled for the Nieuport 17.

Edited December 24, 2015 by LukeFF

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

Hmmmmmmm.... at 21.000 use flaps to turn???? Please can you post here TRK file? Thank you very much!

no I used ailerons to turn, I put flaps down to slow I was at 250kph.

 

wow for some reason a lot of you guys seem to think your flaps should not come down but only for landing.

 

back in WWII they did not have hotas systems like we do now. imagine what they could of done known what we know now?

Edited December 24, 2015 by 71st_Mastiff

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

 

 

this one is of 3 of us at 10,000Meters, and Vonalba in a F4 had no issues at that altitude and same as always the wing structure of the 109 is to strong and takes wings off.

and in the video I got nice 20mm shots on his nose and nothing happen to his plane.

Edited December 24, 2015 by 71st_Mastiff

[Danziger]

The wooden wings are definitely a weak point on the MiG-3. Especially since the roots are metal out to the end of the landing gear. I would think even though it is wood it would do some sort of damage to the aluminum skinned 109 wing...

[unreasonable]

@smink1701 look at the post above or the other page.  yes the 3D ratio pit is ( are ) off  this is due a problem while making the 3D models from the start and the artist which I'm sure are the same that do RoF.. The alignment with the gun sights is also off  an example of the i-16 is a big error ratio like a very good example of the Nieuport 17 in RoF position made for hat switch game style pilots . This was reported years ago and never corrected ..  This Sim/Game like RoF do not need much to be great.

 

You might want to try moving your default head position a little and see if that helps the cockpit look more natural. I have found the BoS default positions to be OK - not yet tried the MiG, since I am grounded - but it is certainly the case that some of the RoF cockpits look very odd from the default position (Albatross and N17 for example) because the head position is far too far back and high up. If you adjust until your sight line corresponds to the actual eyeline of the pilot the cockpits look entirely natural: but you do then have to move your head up with TiR to use the central sights.

Edited December 24, 2015 by unreasonable

[GOZR]

 

LukeFF  plz do I'm waiting

[GOZR]

@unreasonable  Thanks yes i know.  my point    This is one of the great part of this is the F10 key

 

( i don't want to hijack this cool thread )

Edited December 24, 2015 by GOZR

[Trooper117]

 

MiG's 21,000

 

Great little video of fighting at high altitude... I enjoyed it

So, it looks like the 109 can turn inside the Mig at that altitude?

Even when your flaps were deployed the 109 had an advantage on that turn...

[SR-F_Winger]

Grow up already.

[Edited]

Edited December 25, 2015 by Bearcat
Name calling

[Lusekofte]

This is an extremely simplified, if not completely wrong, describtion of the situation.

 

For one thing, the design bureaus that developed the Soviet planes weren't trying to "counter" new generations of Luftwaffe fighters. Rather they were constantly trying to boost combat performance of designs that had been pushed into war far too early and were lagging behind as a consequence of a combination of inherent design flaws, poor production quality and lack of proper equipment such as sufficiently powerful engines, reliable radios and good quality gun sights. They were far too preoccupied with just making the designs suitable for their tactical roles to worry about countering specific new German types.

 

It's also not accurate to state, that Soviet pilots early in the war were completely untrained. In 1941 most of them had gone through the high quality pilot training of the prewar years and many had years of service as well as combat experience from Spain or the Border Wars with Japan. The calamity that befel the VVS in 1941 was due to a combination of factors such as strategic blunders, rigid and ineffective tactics, lack of experienced COs, lack of proper radio equipment, planes being generally inferior to the opposition and the very fact that most regiments with modern planes were still transitioning to those types. Many pilots lacked training on modern types (this was especially true for the MiG) but noone was sent into combat with zero training on the type (I'd like to see evidence of a concrete example of that ever happening) and generally the Soviet pilots of 1941 were very good pilots with lousy, obsolete tactical doctrines they had to adhere to.

 

In 41 the pilot was well or fair trained with inferior tactics, I talked about training after the outbreak of the great patriotic war. And if you read files released from archives lately it is pretty much common knowledge. The standard trained pilot , in early 42 received  9 to 70 hours of training, depending on fuel priority at that specific time. And it was very common that pilot not even had seen the aircraft they suppose to fly in before they arrived to their assigned unit, this was because frontline units got priority of new designs and planes. Simplified? yes but in a topic like this you cannot use too much space. You can also see this very simplified doc made by the russians themselves, it does not  take all the points and events, but it really sums up the big picture I was talking about. However I did not say you was wrong, I just say you did not cover it all, and we are not all native Englis speakers

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXZoCkN7Sr0'>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXZoCkN7Sr0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXZoCkN7Sr0

 

[Dakpilot]

All the same wannabe marture comment from a russian fanboy all the time. Really duide you make me sick with your "i am the only marture forumjokey alive attitude". Really. So GROW UP ALREADY!

Rofl. Riddiculous!

 

Please learn to  use spell check 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Freycinet]

To those who gratuitously criticise the research and modelling by the developers, please try to understand that the team has had a test pilot fly a real-life MiG-3 and analyse the plane for them. This development update video (see below) was posted three years ago! - I think it is safe to say that 777 Studios has better knowledge of the MiG than a few neckbeards sitting at their desktops who have never flown anything bigger than a Revell plastic model...

 

[7.GShAP/Silas]

All the same wannabe marture comment from a russian fanboy all the time. Really duide you make me sick with your "i am the only marture forumjokey alive attitude". Really. So GROW UP ALREADY!

Rofl. Riddiculous!

 

 

I've seen enough garbage comments with a barely disguised anti-Russian sentiment lately to sympathize with his reaction.

[SR-F_Winger]

I've seen enough garbage comments with a barely disguised anti-Russian sentiment lately to sympathize with his reaction.

[Edited]

Edited December 25, 2015 by Bearcat
Name calling

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Ah yes, the evil Russians and their horde of fanboys who want to lie about the war and invade all of Europe to bring evil baddie communism and enslave the universe using their cheater Russian flight models. Oh, the poor Wermacht!

 

This is how it comes across when people go in their "the Russians stole my toy" rants, seriously.

[SR-F_Winger]

Please learn to  use spell check 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

I wonder how many misspellings you put in when you write in a language thats not your motherlanguage. Smarty.

Strange. For some reason i NEVER ever made fun of someone using bad grammar or misspellings in forums.[Edited] Merrry christmas:P

 

Sometimes we need to step back from the keyboard.

Edited December 25, 2015 by Bearcat

[SYN_Haashashin]

Guys, stop with the personal remarks and all those short of things.

 

And also remember that this is a International forum which uses English so you will encounter lots of people who doesn't use English as their mothertongue, such as me, so be nice to each other.

 

Come on It's Xmas, can we all get along without any of that??

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

You're right, Haashashin Merry Christmas folks, and may Messers and MiGs fly together without hate. Let's make the past 70 years worth something in terms of friendship of nations.

[MK_RED13]

no I used ailerons to turn, I put flaps down to slow I was at 250kph.

 

wow for some reason a lot of you guys seem to think your flaps should not come down but only for landing.

 

back in WWII they did not have hotas systems like we do now. imagine what they could of done known what we know now?

 

Is there any problem with posting TRK file from your "21.000" video here?

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

Is there any problem with posting TRK file from your "21.000" video here?

its over 30mb so how I'm supposed to post it?

 

multiplayer.2015-12-22_20-36-39_00.zip

Upload Skipped (This file was too big to upload)

 

oh wait no way! I'm giving it to you guys from MK.

Edited December 24, 2015 by 71st_Mastiff

[MK_RED13]

Uf...it's hard work with you ...I Hope that you will now know the difference between MK_ and MK company :D

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

Uf...it's hard work with you ...I Hope that you will now know the difference between MK_ and MK company :D

can not upload it its over 30mb sorry.