Guest deleted@50488 Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) Well, My RL experience is worth BS for playing this sim.... Truth is I managed so many kills at a NORMAL server before starting to use the mouse for input! Kudos to Mouse Input !!! Eric Brown would love to have a mouse in his cockpit.... EDIT: Seen at least one of the forum member interpreting this thread as a form of troll. It is not, I actually like using the mouse, never thought I would, and just to give you an idea I most of the time use my glider simulator ( Condorsoaring ) also with the mouse and get a better feel of reality since the gliders I've flown IRL were / all very light in pitch and roll, although some really heavy in rudder... so, I prefer using the mouse with Condorsoaring. And, further in favor of this form of control I find it rather "democratic" because not everybody can spend their money on even inexpensive controllers, and even less Warthogs and rudder pedals! The tests I have been performing reveal good results, even landing feels smoother and easier, because the virtual pilot does most of the hand and foot work, and you can much more effectively flare. Edited December 16, 2015 by Mighty-MOUSE
Sokol1 Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) Since with mouse you dont need "piloting", just aim, you are playing "CS", so more kills is natural. Good for bombing too - use that aim helper and when the circle are over the target dot, drop. Edited December 16, 2015 by Sokol1
SharpeXB Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 Try a split-s. Can you do one with the mouse?
Guest deleted@50488 Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) Try a split-s. Can you do one with the mouse? Not even a nice looping, even less a tonneau, but my aircraft do not wobble :-) - none of them including the G2, and it's great to see the virtual pilot inputs at least to the stick .... Edited December 16, 2015 by Mighty-MOUSE
Matt Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) Can you make a short video or track of those crazy sitck inputs of the virtual pilot with mouse control. That would really be much appreciated. Thanks for your assistance. Edited December 16, 2015 by Matt
Guest deleted@50488 Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) Can you make a short video or track of those crazy sitck inputs of the virtual pilot with mouse control. That would really be much appreciated. Thanks for your assistance. Well, will have to install Nvidia Shadow Play... I've only the graphic drivers installed... I'll try one of these days... Anyway, if you switch to mouse input, and then takeoff say in the G2 and observe the stick inputs inflight... you'll se what I mean. See hw they also respond to your mouse inputs... If, as a real pilot, I moved my stick that way, I believe my instructor, 35 yrs ago, wouldn't even take me to exam.... But it is just good to be observed by those that suggest the wobbling is caused by bad pilot practice / techniques... Edited December 16, 2015 by Mighty-MOUSE
Matt Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) But it is just good to be observed by those that suggest the wobbling is caused by bad pilot practice / techniques... On the defense already i see. Anyway, if you switch to mouse input, and then takeoff say in the G2 and observe the stick inputs inflight... you'll se what I mean. See hw they also respond to your mouse inputs...If, as a real pilot, I moved my stick that way, I believe my instructor, 35 yrs ago, wouldn't even take me to exam.... Been there and done that more than once (more often than i would've liked and most recently one hour ago) and if anything, the stick (and rudder) moves way more smoothly than you would ever be able to with joystick, which is the whole point why this anti-mouse discussion even came up in the first place, when the mouse control was announced. So that you're now saying, that in your case the mouse controls needs crazy inputs to correct for the wobbling "bug", then that's very surprising to me. I'll be looking forward to that video of yours, which you'll surely post "one of these days". Edited December 16, 2015 by Matt
1PL-Banzai-1Esk Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 But it is just good to be observed by those that suggest the wobbling is caused by bad pilot practice / techniques... At least in BoS it's 'the best wobbling sensation in a modern flight sim'.
Guest deleted@50488 Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 Crazy is, maybe a strong word... The stick keeps moving forth and back, left and right, pretty much all of the time... Small inputs, but almost constant, specially when we move the aim... Anyway, they'r efficient, and apart from not being able to perform an aileron roll, and very difficultly a barrel-roll, fact is I can, particularly at the DED NORMAL server get more success :-) And for "raaaid", it's not meant to be trolling - I'm using it and I like it.
indiaciki Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) Try this! It doesn't wobble, really and it handles rudder and brakes well. thottle is a disaster, though (right mini joystick for view) :D Edited December 16, 2015 by indiaciki
Guest deleted@50488 Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 Try this! It doesn't wobble, really and it handles rudder and brakes well. thottle is a disaster, though (right mini joystick for view) :D I have one of these, but tried it once and didn't like the feel... It was long ago though, maybe things have changed. Will give it a try - thanks for the suggestion! For those who think I'm trolling - THIS IS NOT TROLLING!
Feathered_IV Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 I thought you were trolling too. And now I think you are back-pedalling. 1
indiaciki Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) I have one of these, but tried it once and didn't like the feel... It was long ago though, maybe things have changed. Will give it a try - thanks for the suggestion! For those who think I'm trolling - THIS IS NOT TROLLING! My Saitek Joystick broke a month ago so I'm flying with the x-box controller for a month. I'm not even using a driver or my rudder pedals for weeks. Give it a try. Edited December 16, 2015 by indiaciki
Guest deleted@50488 Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 OTOH, not being able to use the TIR with the MOUSE control is creating some problems, specially with more advanced opponents. I had been using it without the TIR, but now I noticed they don't mix very well ( mouse and TIR ) :-/
Sokol1 Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) I have one of these, but tried it once and didn't like the feel... You are done the wrong thing, trying use the Joypad axis to control the plane - like a joystick. Use Joy2Key to translate axis input in mouse movements, then use the mouse aim mode. You "fly-by-mouse" with joypad, so have the better of game world. Edited December 17, 2015 by Sokol1
Jade_Monkey Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 I think people accuse you of trolling because the title of the post is wrong. The moment you start using mouse, you are not a pilot. You simply tell the pilot where to go. Piloting takes skill and knowledge. Mouse aiming doesnt, it takes it all away. What you probably mean is that mouse aim made you shoot more enemies, which is the most logical outcome and not shocking at all, thus all the facepalms in the thread.
Guest deleted@50488 Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) I think people accuse you of trolling because the title of the post is wrong. The moment you start using mouse, you are not a pilot. You simply tell the pilot where to go. Piloting takes skill and knowledge. Mouse aiming doesnt, it takes it all away. What you probably mean is that mouse aim made you shoot more enemies, which is the most logical outcome and not shocking at all, thus all the facepalms in the thread. Exactly that Jade, And of course, the thread started because I never had tried the mouse option, not because I think it in any way was a negative feature in this sim ( I use it in Condorsoaring, and.... I fly gliders IRL... ), but rather because I was much more interested in using my T.16000 and expensive Saitek Combat Pro pedals... The suggestion by Sokol1 I didn't try it that way indeed, and will certainly give it a try... Of course, maneuvering and performing even simple aerobatics like a loop, a spilt-s, an aileron or a barrel roll,..., is very unnatural with mouse input, and not being able to properly use my TIR limits even more some important aspects of awareness, so important during a dogfight. But honestly I started using it also to check how the artificial flight / fbw implemented did regarding the wobbling in pitch and yaw, and indeed, while there are wild oscillations in roll, the wobbling being talked about in another thread is totally absent when flying with mouse aim! Edited December 17, 2015 by Mighty-MOUSE
Livai Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 Try this! It doesn't wobble, really and it handles rudder and brakes well. thottle is a disaster, though (right mini joystick for view) :D This one is better! Good to see --> Microsoft: "We keep shipping more in know what equipments simmer's need for IL-2 but they sell out instantly!"
indiaciki Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 This one is better! Good to see --> Microsoft: "We keep shipping more in know what equipments simmer's need for IL-2 but they sell out instantly!" new one? does the trottle work like it should - the buttun under the left joystick?
MadisonV44 Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Well, will have to install Nvidia Shadow Play... I've only the graphic drivers installed... I'll try one of these days... Anyway, if you switch to mouse input, and then takeoff say in the G2 and observe the stick inputs inflight... you'll se what I mean. See hw they also respond to your mouse inputs... If, as a real pilot, I moved my stick that way, I believe my instructor, 35 yrs ago, wouldn't even take me to exam.... But it is just good to be observed by those that suggest the wobbling is caused by bad pilot practice / techniques... +1 for the video In fact, just like Matt I would be very interested in having a video showing the effects of the AI control on the stick and rudder if this is avoiding the wobble effect in certain situations. I learned to get rid of some wobbles but some remains and happen in unexpected situations, so this video could be helpful. Those not having the mouse control like me can already have an idea of what the AI control does when they are engaging Autopilot / Autopilot turn left / and Autopilot turn right (key must be mapped) but a video showing the cockpit on basic operations would be more than appreciated.
Livai Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) new one? does the trottle work like it should - the buttun under the left joystick? Yes, a new one. I play with this Controller. I love the App to have the full access and control over the Controller function. I use the Buttons below the Controller for flaps and throttle. Works fine. Better what I ever expected. Finally to have a great Game Controller. Before that I played this Game with my old Xbox 360 Controller and the Xbox One Controller from my Xbox One. But throttle and flaps control was with that Controllers a way to complicated. Now with the new Xbox One Elite Controller the problems are gone thanks to the buttons below the Controller and the App to Custom the Controller how you want or need. Edited December 18, 2015 by Superghostboy
SharpeXB Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 I could never use console style controllers with flying games because the Y-axis is inverted from shooters making it just impossible for me to adapt. The mouse just seems perplexing too because I can only think in terms of pitch roll and yaw, but just trying to point where I want to go doesn't make sense and you can't even do basic maneuvers. So even before I was serious enough about flight sims and just casually playing flight games. It was joystick or nothing. The only thing accomplished by trying other controllers was to convince me to get one after a few minutes.
Guest deleted@50488 Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) The biggest limitation is not being able to use TIR with it... I have returned to my T.1600 and Saitek Combat Pro setup :-/ I steer the stick all of the time now, and the wobbling is practically vanished. With train we adapt our brain to it ... But it's good to have the chance to use the sim, in a more or less acceptable way, even when better controllers aren't available. Edited December 18, 2015 by Mighty-MOUSE
indiaciki Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 The biggest limitation is not being able to use TIR with it... I have returned to my T.1600 and Saitek Combat Pro setup :-/ I steer the stick all of the time now, and the wobbling is practically vanished. With train we adapt our brain to it ... +1 Use the stick, Luke :D
6./ZG26_5tuka Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) At Jcomm: No offense meant Edited December 18, 2015 by Stab/JG26_5tuka 1
indiaciki Posted December 19, 2015 Posted December 19, 2015 why bother with input devises: The X-wing has wobbling issues, too.
Guest deleted@50488 Posted December 19, 2015 Posted December 19, 2015 At Jcomm: No offense meant You just saved my saturday morning workday bad mood 5tuka !!!!
DD_Kev83 Posted December 19, 2015 Posted December 19, 2015 this game is not a sim its a game dcs is a sim and anyone who uses the mouse has no right to call them self's any good at this game flying with a mouse wtf i spit on the floor moue control 1
Feathered_IV Posted December 19, 2015 Posted December 19, 2015 this game is not a sim its a game dcs is a sim and anyone who uses the mouse has no right to call them self's any good at this game flying with a mouse wtf i spit on the floor moue control Chin your wipe.
wtornado Posted December 19, 2015 Posted December 19, 2015 Mighty-MOUSE Fly with your mouse and enjoy the game.Tell all your friends and get them to join. How many players flew in the Hyperlobby's Fun for all server that had most of its option boxes unchecked.The servers were always full. Warthunder is a joke and look at all the people that play in here now that came from that arcade game and enjoy this game. I am sure some in here still have it and it is still installed. As long as the Developers and coders make money and do not have to sell their first born to be able to pay the bills and eat 3 meals a day. Market this game and sell.
Livai Posted December 19, 2015 Posted December 19, 2015 I could never use console style controllers with flying games because the Y-axis is inverted from shooters making it just impossible for me to adapt. The mouse just seems perplexing too because I can only think in terms of pitch roll and yaw, but just trying to point where I want to go doesn't make sense and you can't even do basic maneuvers. So even before I was serious enough about flight sims and just casually playing flight games. It was joystick or nothing. The only thing accomplished by trying other controllers was to convince me to get one after a few minutes. If you have inverted axis you need manual remove the invert. My axis work right how they should be. I had a lot to fly Normal & Expert with the Xbox 360 and Xbox One Controller but with the Xbox One Elite Controller I have a lot more fun. I enjoy the All-In-One-Part where I need only one thing to enjoy Expert and Normal Settings. More money to send home to my family! Why spend more if it works great and you can fly the planes to the limits thanks to a App that allow you more control over Sensitivity where you can shoot faster, fly better, drive better or customize the Controller how you want how you like. What I enjoy to hear from people with better equipments if they wonder how I was able to shoot down four planes with in seconds from players that are better than me with a Game Console Controller. The point is you can be better than Hotas Warthog + Track IR. After I notice this. I known now that I am on the right way to be a better pilot. A pilot that was able shoot down good players with only 10 FPS with a Game Console Controller. Now I fly the game with 60 FPS with my modded Xbox One Elite Controller and I notice how great it was to train my reaction with only 10 FPS.
SharpeXB Posted December 19, 2015 Posted December 19, 2015 If you have inverted axis you need manual remove the invert. Yes, I know the Y-axis can be inverted in the settings menu. The problem I had was I played too many FPS games where the y-axis is inverted compared to flying games. So switching the impulse was impossible for me. Every so often I still play console flying games with my little nephews and it's still frustrating. It's a very difficult reflex to unlearn.
Guest deleted@50488 Posted December 19, 2015 Posted December 19, 2015 There's actually no problem with me that a sim allows for the use of mouse control. Of course what we have in BoS is not the same IO use for instance in Condorsoaring, because in BoS the mouse controls an aiming point, and not directly the stick of your virtual aircraft. As you point the aim towards where you want your virtual or AP to take the aircraft you can then observe the inputs that artificially sent to the stick and rudder. Above all, it's great to have for when you're not at home, or playing for instance with a notebook at the hotel room... :-)
Sokol1 Posted December 19, 2015 Posted December 19, 2015 ... I managed so many kills screen capture software 1
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