New at the game, plz help.

[TheElf]

Elf,

 

You seriously misjudged your relative E states if this occurred or you pitched way too hard in your escape. Further, using an Immelmann in a WWII era fighter is ill advised against anything other than bombers. He probably dived below you, trading altitude for airspeed, before pulling into the vertical. I've seen this online a lot from Russian crates. I've seen it often in a straight foot race as well. It usually gives them one good pass but let's you extend as it actually burns E in the long run.

 

He had a much bigger head of steam than you estimated here. The flaps are clearly, unequivocally, an issue in game but will not compensate for a 1000m altitude gap under normal conditions. 500 probably but not 1000.

 

*Gotta appreciate a 500-700m shot. It was either extraordinary skill or extraordinary luck. Not a high percentage shot by any means.

 

Not I didn't misjudge anything, as I've watched the track twice and it all happens the same way both times and bears out my initial observation.  This whole thing started after he pulled a 180 degree hard turn and followed me up through the first Immelman.  I watched him nearly stall, dump his nose, and in a matter of moments he'd started up after me in my 2nd Immelman.  We were co-energy at the start.  

 

So to recap, he came at me 180 degrees out approximately 700m altitude,  passed just overhead as I accelerated and extended level.  He pulls a hard 180 degree turn and starts a shallow climb after me, which I turn into the 1st immelman.  He follows, no problem, but takes no shots.  I noted that he must have been very near stall speed as his flaps were fully extended and near stall.  I accelerate to 300+ kmh and immediately begin my 2nd immelman.  I've done this many times against VVS fighters and it is a valid tactic.    He apparently had such magnificent control over his crate, as from this near stall condition with full flaps he was able to add enough energy to again follow me up into my 2nd Immelman with approximately 500-700m vertical range, where again he maintains perfect control over his vertical attitude, still CLIMBING into me and hits my cockpit with a well aimed burst.

 

Summary:

Yak -1 at 800m ...no cost

full180 degree hard turn ...no cost

Immelman to stall speed with Full flaps ...that is pricey in terms of Energy

2nd Immelman to stall speed with Full flaps ... Wow I can't afford that

Open fire, damage 109...Priceless

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Like I said, I have no dispute with the flaps being wonky. Without witnessing this fight I can't comment further. It is not, however, how I have experienced it in game.  He obviously had a good working knowledge of his aircraft.

 

I still wouldn't personally use an Immelman in this or most situations with a WWII fighter. The gain in position is attained at a huge penalty in E.

[Mac_Messer]

Elf,

 

You seriously misjudged your relative E states if this occurred or you pitched way too hard in your escape. Further, using an Immelmann in a WWII era fighter is ill advised against anything other than bombers. He probably dived below you, trading altitude for airspeed, before pulling into the vertical. I've seen this online a lot from Russian crates. I've seen it often in a straight foot race as well. It usually gives them one good pass but let's you extend as it actually burns E in the long run.

To me the Immelman is a good method of forcing a worse climber to stand on his nose and stall out of the fight. I`m able to pull an angle he can`t follow almost straight up but I`ve always did that while we both climbed and with a slight (200-700m) alt advantage already. But that requires me to pull it off at the moment when he`s almost directly under me. Worked for me many times with the exception of some certain aircraft being able to zoomclimb like crazy.

 

 

He had a much bigger head of steam than you estimated here. The flaps are clearly, unequivocally, an issue in game but will not compensate for a 1000m altitude gap under normal conditions. 500 probably but not 1000.

Yes, what about them flaps?

Edited December 23, 2015 by Mac_Messer