Future Aircraft and Campaign Development

[LukeFF]

This list I made was a question to the DEV's if we would ever see any of the following for the Eastern Front. I didn't make it because I "love" list's or anything.

 

And as Han has said a thousand times, nothing about what planes they will model next has been decided yet.

[216th_Peterla]

There are a couple of new ground units for BOM that are shown in the last Developer Diary.

Quite interesting points here. Good talk.

Regards

Edited December 13, 2015 by peterla

[ShamrockOneFive]

Thats great Lucas.  Really.  And you are right.  They aren't repeating yet.  But the unfortunate tide of thinking around here is that they should start repeating.  See my post above as to what I think about that. 

 

What I am suggesting is that a AAA sim release such as BoS, and BoM are, and BoX will be MUST be about new content.  I for one, as a staunch supporter of IL-2 will not be happy if they recycle planes into a "New Release", much like they just did with the ground units in BoM.  

 

Did you notice that?  THEY ARE THE SAME GROUND UNIT MODELS.  BoM adds Nothing new in the ground units.  I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

 

This game is amazing.  It has SO much potential.  I'm just afraid the devs will listen to you people, and we'll be paying $80 for a new Russian map (yay), a G-6, IL-2M, Ju-87G, Yak-9, La-5FN, He-111H-7, FW-190A-4 and a premium Hs-129 and Tu-2.

 

I don't think it is that they should be repeating but that they necessarily will be "repeating" as we move along in the timeline. The same thing would happen if we jump theaters... it would just take longer.

 

Taking just one example... Say the devs give us a Yak-9 in the next release. Well its related to the Yak-1 so its just a repeat, right? It isn't from a developer standpoint because they would need to do a totally revised 3D model (may be most efficient to start from scratch) both inside and out with a cockpit that has significant changes to it. Also it has structural differences and a different fuel tank arrangement so the damage modeling work that they do would be revised. And consequently all of the flight modeling would need work too.

 

I'm ok paying $80 when it takes a lot of dev time to give us the next model aircraft that represents a significant type - regardless of if its the next model up or its totally new. I'm paying for the overall package and that means new map, new ground objects, scenery, tanks and artillery, and new planes to fly. Similar or different.

 

I think I see your point fairly well and the argument basically comes down to this: Do the devs continue on the Eastern Front historical timeline OR do they jump to another theater.

 

I'm excited either way but its clear here that some folks have stronger opinions either way.

[Tenko]

Lend-Lease Russian B-25j 

[GP*]

It'd be nice to see theaters develop in a series of 3. There's always more historical depth to explore in any one theater, but at some point things need to move on. For example

 

Eastern Front

- BoS

- BoM (in reverse chronological order)

- some sort of late Eastern front release

 

Pacific

- The months following Pearl Harbor

- Mid war

- Late war

 

Etc...

[MigSu]

Hello guys

 

Some of my opinion about.

 

Taking in consideration that Kursk was a short battle, but also the most important for tanks (we have ground units) and, also Kuban was very important for both sides aerial battles(great participation of P39), well could be both on the same package, definitely both were on the same year 1943

 

 

Here's something to ponder... if they stick to the 10 plane release and do a Western Front scenario. What proportion (and what distinction) is made up of US and British aircraft? For example Normandy...

 

RAF

Spitfire F/LF.Vb/c

Spitfire LF.IXc/e

Typhoon IB

Mosquito FB.IV/B.VI

 

Three pretty typical RAF aircraft on ops over Normandy that come to mind.

 

USAAF

P-38J

P-47D

P-51B/C/D

A-20G/J

B-26?

B-17G

 

Lots of options just on the Allied side. Now pick 5! :D

 Well, P38/47 and Typhoon were almost the same, heavy fighters used like jabo. p38 for me 

 The rest, one light figter a Spit or Mustang   and the two engine bomber.

 

 But will be more strange when in some scenarios the german plane be the same used against allied as against VVS.

 

 

 

kursk/kuban-1943

 

Normandy-1944

 

Berlin-1945

 

 

I am agree with stand alone plane packages, i'll by any red ones. 

 

And, i also think is good to talk about all of this here, (even when the next models were not decided) because we can see what we all would like to have.

 

 

 

Regards

Edited December 16, 2015 by E69_MigSu

[ShamrockOneFive]

 

Hello guys

 

Some of my opinion about.

 

Taking in consideration that Kursk was a short battle, but also the most important for tanks (we have ground units) and, also Kuban was very important for both sides aerial battles(great participation of P39), well could be both on the same package, definitely both were on the same gear 1943

 

 

 Well, P37/47 and Typhoon were almost the same, heavy fighters used like jabo. p38 for me 

 The rest, one light figter a Spit or Mustang   and the two engine bomber.

 

 But will be more strange when in some scenarios the german plane be the same used against allied as against VVS.

 

 

 

kursk/kuban-1943

 

Normandy-1944

 

Berlin-1945

 

 

I am agree with stand alone plane packages, i'll by any red ones. 

 

And, i also think is good to talk about all of this here, (even when the next models were not decided) because we can see what we all would like to have.

 

 

 

Regards

 

 

Similar roles but the Tempest and Typhoon are amongst my all time favourites... The American aircraft fans wouldn't like it but for me, the Normandy campaign and the rocket firing Typhoons are where its at.

[Asgar]

 

I was wondering if we will ever see the following aircraft as stand alone expansions or will they be released in future campaigns? Or would you allow third party mods to be released via 777/1C?

 

 

• Fw-190A-4
• Fw-190A-5
• Fw-189A-1
• Fw-189A-4
• Bf-109G-6
• Bf-109G-6 A/S
• Bf-109G-14
• Bf-110F-2
• Bf-110G-2
• Hs-129B-2
• Hs-129B-3
• Hs-123A-1
• Me-210A-1
• La-5FN
• La-5N
• IL-4
• DB-3B
• Pe-8
• Yak-2
• Yak-4
• LaGG-3 66
• LaGG-3IT
• LaGG-3 (Gorbunov 105)
• Spitfire Mk.V
• Spitfire Mk.IX
• P-47D-22RE
• P-47D-27RE

 

ok. i want to know. why the Me 210? why not the 410 instead. it has all the bugs removed. it was available since early 1942 and it has many available modifications. including cannons, bombs and rockets

[SOLIDKREATE]

Because the 210 was on the Eastern Front. In fact my entire list is for Eastern Front only aircraft.

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

We need the 110G2 for Stalingrad map They could make a pack with some variants of available planes.

Edited December 17, 2015 by 6./ZG26_Gielow

[Y-29.SugaBizkit]

As much as I would love a med campaign (Fiat G.55 is like, my all time favorite plane), I can't see 1C doing it.

 

Team Fusion is going to be releasing a med campaign before the the next BOS expansion is released (which we can all kind of see is going to be some kind of eastern battle with tanks and planes), which will make it unlikely 1C will try and compete with it.

 

Hell, people I know who own this game are buying Clod (another 1c game) just for that mod as well. By going Mediterranean, the studio would just be cannibalizing its own (albeit older) game.

 

A smart businessman would try and fill the void that these other sims are leaving empty. In my opinion, we are much more likely to see a Japanese or mid/late Western Theater before that. 

Edited December 17, 2015 by Y-29.SugaBizkit

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Me-210 were exported to allies after their short service with the Luftwaffe (if any at all). One of them was hungary for example.

Those countries simply had nothing better availabel and operated them trewout the war, even with it's particular faults.

 

Nothing I would look forwards to for sure. Might just stick with the Panzerknacker instead

 

Edit: I can't find the Ju-52 in that list.

Edited December 17, 2015 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Suga,

 

I don't think the Dev's or most of this community are overly concerned about what Team Fusion is doing, though, no one wishes them any ill.  I cannot disagree with your line of reasoning strongly enough regarding design decisions for this game.

[Danziger]

The MiG-3 is my dream plane so I'll be happy when that one is released. However, I would love to see some aircraft expansion sets with maybe an early Yak-9 for BoS or a five-gun LaGG for BoM. SB bombers or the Il-4 would be nice too. 

[ShamrockOneFive]

The MiG-3 is my dream plane so I'll be happy when that one is released. However, I would love to see some aircraft expansion sets with maybe an early Yak-9 for BoS or a five-gun LaGG for BoM. SB bombers or the Il-4 would be nice too. 

 

I suspect that the Yak-9 would come in the next product. Probably in regular, D and T unlocks. The IL-4 could be something we see in there too. The only question is filling in some gaps like the SB-2, Yak-7, or the early series LaGG and Yak-1 models. Not sure how (or if) they might tackle those.

[TheElf]

I suspect that the Yak-9 would come in the next product. Probably in regular, D and T unlocks. The IL-4 could be something we see in there too. The only question is filling in some gaps like the SB-2, Yak-7, or the early series LaGG and Yak-1 models. Not sure how (or if) they might tackle those.

 

As much as I'd like to see the "Fill in" aircraft and variants of the Yak proliferate into the game rapidly, I would much prefer to see that happen in "Variant packs" rather than devote an entire development cycle to repetitive recycling of aircraft we already have.  That would be a waste.  Instead, I'd like a volume III if you will to promote completely new aircraft that have yet to be seen in the engine.

[LukeFF]

Me-210 were exported to allies after their short service with the Luftwaffe (if any at all). One of them was hungary for example.

Those countries simply had nothing better availabel and operated them trewout the war, even with it's particular faults.

To be fair, the 210s operated by Hungary had the problems from the earlier versions totally resolved.

[Y-29.SugaBizkit]

Suga,

 

I don't think the Dev's or most of this community are overly concerned about what Team Fusion is doing, though, no one wishes them any ill.  I cannot disagree with your line of reasoning strongly enough regarding design decisions for this game.

 

I am just trying to put myself in the shoes of a CEO.

 

If it was up to me, I would have had a Mediterranean expansion over BoM. I just am realistic in my expectations, and don't see 1C going that route when another game in their anthology is about to support it. Sorry if i threw logic into the equation, but I did.

 

However, feel free to shoot the messenger who thought rationally about what a company may do to increase revenue. There had to be a Debbie Downer somewhere in this thread though.

Edited December 18, 2015 by Y-29.SugaBizkit

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Well my gut feeling, supported by forum polls, is the Med will be a big seller with the potential to draw in a larger contingent of Western flyers hungry for Spits, Hurri's, Stangs and Lightnings. Not to mention a whole slew of Italian, German and other Allied AC. Those AC, maps and potential carrier ops are tantalizing prospects which open the door to other theaters as well. These are things TF cannot hope to accomplish and a potential gold mine for these devs.

Edited December 18, 2015 by [LBS]HerrMurf

[Y-29.SugaBizkit]

Well my gut feeling, supported by forum polls, is the Med will be a big seller with the potential to draw in a larger contingent of Western flyers hungry for Spits, Hurri's, Stangs and Lightnings. Not to mention a whole slew of Italian, Axis and other Allied AC. Those AC, maps and potential carrier ops are tantalizing prospects which open the door to other theaters as well. These are things TF cannot hope to accomplish and a potential gold mine for these devs.

 

 

I really hope you are correct, however these forum polls almost certainly only contain the votes of people who play the game, and still care enough to come onto the forums.

 

I would really like to see an outside poll from people in other sims as to what would draw them here. I guarantee Mediterranean may be high on the list, but really think about it. You are going to be asking someone who has yet to hop on this game's wagon to spend 60 dollars on BOS' take on the medwhen they could just spend 10 bucks on Clod and get a similar experience.

 

Me personally, I would play BOS' personal take on the Med any day of the week. However, I am not naive enough to think that the med is going to bring in new players like a Western front would

Edited December 18, 2015 by Y-29.SugaBizkit

[7.GShAP/Silas]

Changing tack slightly on the subject of future aircraft, I'm curious about something.  I notice the IL-4 on that list.  The aircraft was ubiquitous during the period covered by BOM-BOS, was it not?  Why has it not already appeared in the sim?  Why does it seem to be quite far down the list of aircraft thrown around for inclusion in the next installment?  I'm asking sincerely.  One would think it would be a natural counterweight to the Ju-88 coming with BOM.  Indeed, it seems that there is a general dearth of... well, testaments to the aircraft's existence and I have no idea why.  The comparative unpopularity of bomber aircraft that aren't American heavy bombers?

Edited December 18, 2015 by Silas

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

To be fair, the 210s operated by Hungary had the problems from the earlier versions totally resolved.

Very unlikely, since one of it's biggest flaws were underpowered engines and a high speed wing profile causing nasty flight characteristics.

[LukeFF]

Very unlikely, since one of it's biggest flaws were underpowered engines and a high speed wing profile causing nasty flight characteristics.

 

The ones operated by Hungary were C-model planes, which from what I have read resolved the problems found with the A series. 

 

(But yes, saying the problems were "totally" resolved is probably not entirely accurate).

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Changing tack slightly on the subject of future aircraft, I'm curious about something.  I notice the IL-4 on that list.  The aircraft was ubiquitous during the period covered by BOM-BOS, was it not?  Why has it not already appeared in the sim?  Why does it seem to be quite far down the list of aircraft thrown around for inclusion in the next installment?  I'm asking sincerely.  One would think it would be a natural counterweight to the Ju-88 coming with BOM.  Indeed, it seems that there is a general dearth of... well, testaments to the aircraft's existence and I have no idea why.  The comparative unpopularity of bomber aircraft that aren't American heavy bombers?

I think it is lower on the list because of the overlap in mission type with the Pe-2. It does a little of what both the Ju88 and Bf110 can do. We may see it yet but it's inclusion as a medium or heavy bomber type is not vital at the moment.

 

We won't be getting any of the heavies either but not strictly because of mission type. The maps are not overly conducive to strategic bomber missions and the multiple AI crew stations are resource hogs.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

The Il-4 was the most important Soviet medium bomber and was used in droves. I think it only missed out because the Il-2 and Pe-2 were more present during those days. Another aircraft I think would make it to any other early Eastern Front scenario is the Su-2 - inadequate but present, and interesting in many ways.

 

I think the Il-4 will see the light of day in a map that has access to the sea or ocean. Then it can double as the medium bomber and torpedo bomber it was.

Edited December 18, 2015 by Lucas_From_Hell

[Jade_Monkey]

As much as I'd like to see the "Fill in" aircraft and variants of the Yak proliferate into the game rapidly, I would much prefer to see that happen in "Variant packs" rather than devote an entire development cycle to repetitive recycling of aircraft we already have. That would be a waste. Instead, I'd like a volume III if you will to promote completely new aircraft that have yet to be seen in the engine.

Couldnt agree more.

[ShamrockOneFive]

Changing tack slightly on the subject of future aircraft, I'm curious about something.  I notice the IL-4 on that list.  The aircraft was ubiquitous during the period covered by BOM-BOS, was it not?  Why has it not already appeared in the sim?  Why does it seem to be quite far down the list of aircraft thrown around for inclusion in the next installment?  I'm asking sincerely.  One would think it would be a natural counterweight to the Ju-88 coming with BOM.  Indeed, it seems that there is a general dearth of... well, testaments to the aircraft's existence and I have no idea why.  The comparative unpopularity of bomber aircraft that aren't American heavy bombers?

 

I'm hoping to see the DB-3F/IL-4 sometime in the future... it got quite a bit of use but I can also see why the devs chose to go with the Pe-2 on two occasions. Ubiquity and usefulness of the Pe-2 models outweighs the IL-4 which was a little more limited by comparison and one of the few "strategic" bombers in the VVS. Still hoping to see it.... Kuban or Kursk scenarios could open the door to the IL-4 although it becomes increasingly vulnerable to fighters as fighter technology improves.

[Fern]

If we stay on the Russian front, we should have an Alaska to Russia Lend Lease Ferry expansion. That would be really exciting.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Flying ALSIB should be gorgeous but the time spent in flight is insane as is the number of stops, and the area to cover is enormous too. Iran-Azerbaijan is also cool, but a similar problem arises. More than likely not worth the cost of developing such a large map.