Future Aircraft and Campaign Development

[The_Sparrow]

I think -- for me at least -- some of the Western push from the (Western) player base can be taken as a compliment to the sim itself. The game is beautifully put together, brilliantly done, and certainly the best on the market. Being an American of course I want to fly our pride-and-joys within the flight model and game (B-17, P-51, P-47).

 

That said, I can wait. I have fallen in love with flying the "underdog" Russian craft in the sim's current state and can't wait for the Mig-3! I'm content if the game continues to focus on the Eastern Front eternally, as a title like "Battle of Stalingrad" would suggest. Eventually introducing some type of Western theatre would cause me to hemorrhage money, and perhaps it's best for my wallet.

Edited December 11, 2015 by The_Sparrow

[ShamrockOneFive]

Here's something to ponder... if they stick to the 10 plane release and do a Western Front scenario. What proportion (and what distinction) is made up of US and British aircraft? For example Normandy...

 

RAF

Spitfire F/LF.Vb/c

Spitfire LF.IXc/e

Typhoon IB

Mosquito FB.IV/B.VI

 

Three pretty typical RAF aircraft on ops over Normandy that come to mind.

 

USAAF

P-38J

P-47D

P-51B/C/D

A-20G/J

B-26?

B-17G

 

Lots of options just on the Allied side. Now pick 5! :D

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Well, the current format goes Fighter+Fighter+Fighter(Premium)+Strike+Bomber so that reduces the struggle a little bit.

 

If to do Normandy, I would pick Mk.IX Spit+P-47+P-51 (Fighters) with Typhoon (Strike) and A-20J or C (Bomber). I picked the J version because the G has no bombsight which is a hindrance for level bombing, to put it softly. My idea here is that, well, the Normandy scenario involved lots of low-level ground attack and all of these five can do it, despite being pretty versatile and good at different tasks too. The A-20 is a good choice because both the Americans, Brits and other Commonwealth and Allied Air Forces used it.

[Finkeren]

I'm fine with Kuban or Kursk. Staying out of the west much longer than that will start to feel like it is an intentional !@#$ you .

With all due respect Murf, try to imagine what it was like being really enthusiastic about the Eastern Front for the first 15 years of comercial combat flight sim history.

 

I'm fine with the devs eventually moving to the West or Pacific or whereever, be it the 4th, 5th or 6th installment, but I simply cannot see how it's some kind of "obligation" for them to do so.

 

Back in the wild years ca. 1995 - 2000 when every developer worth their salt tried their hand with flight sims, there never seemed to be any pressure to do the Eastern Front (Luftwaffe Commander did it, but only from one perspective)

Then came IL-2 and blew the competitors out of the water, and since then people have been complaining, that the one sim that ever focused on the Eastern Front isn't doing enough to cater to a "western audience".

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

since then people have been complaining, that the one sim that ever focused on the Eastern Front isn't doing enough to cater to a "western audience".

 

In a way I feel this is analogue to parking spots - you can have 600 of them but there's always someone who feels they should be entitled to that one disability parking space when they shouldn't just because they like it best.

[Gunsmith86]

I hope for something new in the future like:

 

-Battle for Poland

 

-Battle for Norway

 

-Battle for France

[4thFG_Cap_D_Gentile]

 

I was wondering if we will ever see the following aircraft as stand alone expansions or will they be released in future campaigns? Or would you allow third party mods to be released via 777/1C?

 

 

• Fw-190A-4
• Fw-190A-5
• Fw-189A-1
• Fw-189A-4
• Bf-109G-6
• Bf-109G-6 A/S
• Bf-109G-14
• Bf-110F-2
• Bf-110G-2
• Hs-129B-2
• Hs-129B-3
• Hs-123A-1
• Me-210A-1
• La-5FN
• La-5N
• IL-4
• DB-3B
• Pe-8
• Yak-2
• Yak-4
• LaGG-3 66
• LaGG-3IT
• LaGG-3 (Gorbunov 105)
• Spitfire Mk.V
• Spitfire Mk.IX
• P-47D-22RE
• P-47D-27RE

 

Finnish Hawk-75 to fight those Yaks !

[Cloyd]

To be honest, after seeing the dedicated few Americans screaming for city-smasher bombers and late-war American fighters(P-51, P-51, P-51) so loudly and persistently(one could say obnoxiously) , I've developed an unhealthy sensation of wanting it to never happen, cackling madly at their terrible angst.

 

You'll have fun with (probably, hopefully)Kuban, I promise!

Could you link to the posts where anyone has "loudly and persistently (one could say obnoxiously)" requested that the P-51 or other American planes appear in a theater where they had ZERO participation? I must have missed those. Thanks in advance.

 

Cloyd

[Finkeren]

I hope for something new in the future like:

 

-Battle for Poland

Deal! Operation Bagration it is!

[Gunsmith86]

Deal! Operation Bagration it is!

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

With all due respect Murf, try to imagine what it was like being really enthusiastic about the Eastern Front for the first 15 years of comercial combat flight sim history.

 

I'm fine with the devs eventually moving to the West or Pacific or whereever, be it the 4th, 5th or 6th installment, but I simply cannot see how it's some kind of "obligation" for them to do so.

 

Back in the wild years ca. 1995 - 2000 when every developer worth their salt tried their hand with flight sims, there never seemed to be any pressure to do the Eastern Front (Luftwaffe Commander did it, but only from one perspective)

Then came IL-2 and blew the competitors out of the water, and since then people have been complaining, that the one sim that ever focused on the Eastern Front isn't doing enough to cater to a "western audience".

 

So, you are saying two wrongs make a right?

Edited December 11, 2015 by [LBS]HerrMurf

[TheElf]

 

I was wondering if we will ever see the following aircraft as stand alone expansions or will they be released in future campaigns? Or would you allow third party mods to be released via 777/1C?

 

 

• Fw-190A-4
• Fw-190A-5
• Fw-189A-1
• Fw-189A-4
• Bf-109G-6
• Bf-109G-6 A/S
• Bf-109G-14
• Bf-110F-2
• Bf-110G-2
• Hs-129B-2
• Hs-129B-3
• Hs-123A-1
• Me-210A-1
• La-5FN
• La-5N
• IL-4
• DB-3B
• Pe-8
• Yak-2
• Yak-4
• LaGG-3 66
• LaGG-3IT
• LaGG-3 (Gorbunov 105)
• Spitfire Mk.V
• Spitfire Mk.IX
• P-47D-22RE
• P-47D-27RE

 

 

 

I for one would not view the bolded aircraft as "new" in any future release.  To be honest, I was somewhat disappointed to see variants of BoS aircraft included as "new".  Much like the "new" ground object list that was just released in the latest DD, a shortbarrel Pz III AI tank.  REALLY?!  While I appreciate having that minute change and detail recognized in the game and think it shoiuld be included, it most  certainly isn't a new model.  Its the same model with a shorter barrel and perhaps some minor aesthetic differences.  It probably took the model maker 5 minutes to clip that barrel.  KV-1, got it.  Pz IV shortbarrel?  Yep that too.  I am not really THAT impressed.  Show me some limbered AAA and Arty with truck ans tractors.  Some Command vehicles that can be used at HQ target objectives, and troop concentrations.   THen I'll be impressed.

 

In the same vein, how much diffferent or new would a Bf-109G-6 be from a G-2?

 

To me a new plane is a I-15 or I-153.  Its a Spitfire or Beaufighter.  Hs-123 or Hs-129.  A P-51...lol as if!

 

When the Devs build an entire new 10 plane release that includes 30% models that already existed from Bos, that is a bit of a cop out.  Do I want an F-2?  an IL-2 model 41 and a Pe-2 Series 35?  Absolutely.  But those are variants of a T/M/S (Type/Model/Series) that we already have.  Not new aircraft.  

[Finkeren]

So, you are saying two wrongs make a right?

I'm saying there's nothing wrong with a flight sim series having focus.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Then how can you complain about the "other" series ignoring an entire theater? You can't have it both ways.

 

Like I said, I'm fine with Kuban, Med, Bagration then further progression. To completely ignore half the globe and it's potential player base makes no sense whatsoever.

[Finkeren]

Then how can you complain about the "other" series ignoring an entire theater? You can't have it both ways.

I'm not complaining, and neither did almost anybody else. That's the point.

 

Game developers should cover the history that they think they can do justice, or that which has interest to them, and ofc with the Eastern Front getting pushed in the background of our cultural image of WW2 for half a century only to kinda resurface in the late 90s, it's not surprising that most flight sim developers chose to focus on the more "well known" aspects of the war.

 

In my view, the developers back then had no obligation to cover the Eastern Front, and likewise, IL-2 a game series originally devoted to that overlooked part (or rather: majority) of the war, has no obligation to cover the West, even though it most likely will at some point fairly soon.

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

I wish for Kuban as next but I would also love some more premium aircrafts example Ju-52 for Stalingrad. Just a few more premiums to flesh out the theaters a little more

[xvii-Dietrich]

I like all European theatres of operation and I think IL-2 as a series is perfectly justified in staying on the Eastern Front. But, let's face it, regardless of their ultimate intentions, there is unlikely to be a major step from the Eastern Front to some Western Theatre... there is simply too much work to be done in a single step. Instead, we could hope for slow increments in that direction.

In terms of style, we've had winter, we're getting summer. So, what then? Something maritime would be great!! There is plenty of water around Leningrad, and something covering Leningrad, Oranienbaum Bridgehead, Karelia, Vyborg, etc. would be perfect.

Inclusion of the Finnish Ilmavoimat would allow the addition of some other aircraft (e.g. Blenheim and G.50), while still being able to supplement the force with a large number of existing German aircraft (Bf 109, Ju 88, etc.). The water setting could then be expanded with more ships and (please!) maritime aircraft (e.g. He-115 Seaplane).

On the Soviet side, there are the lend-lease aircraft (Hurricane) and the inclusion of some bombers, such as the DB-3.

[The_Sparrow]

That's a really great idea Dietrich.

[LukeFF]

In the same vein, how much diffferent or new would a Bf-109G-6 be from a G-2?

 

12.7 mm machine guns and an optional 30 mm nose cannon, for a start.

Edited December 12, 2015 by LukeFF

[Rjel]

I think the best of both worlds, that is staying in the East and moving to other theaters, could well be achievable if the development continues in the vein of the last couple of updates. I think it's undeniable that the new maps and tanks have reinvigorated this sim. I think too it's helped to bring in some new blood to the ranks of the sim. Whether one likes or dislikes the idea of ground vehicles in a flight sim, I don't think any of us could foresee the genuine excitement they've created. For a long time, even going back to the original IL-2, there have been complaints that the sim has been sterile, even dull when it came to game play. So now, we have some real change in gameplay that seems to have been well received by most. If the developers can capitalize on this, expand upon the idea and keep a good balance between air and ground, that could swell the sim ranks which in turn could fill the coffers to hire more staff to develop more content. It could end up being a flight sim Nirvana.  

[gx007]

A Spanish civil war (1936-39) release would offer many opportunities to different aircraft.

 

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

12.7mm machine guns and an optional 30mm nose cannon, for a start.

 

13mm actually, a whole 0.3mm extra punch I know the flight models are not the latest but if you go and fly 1946 the difference between the G-2 and G-6 feels outrageously big. Back when I used to fly Luftwaffe all the time (except for the MiG-3 and P-39, those have been with me since the very first Il-2 release) I hated the G-6 with a passion because of how heavy it felt - it was my lack of skill mostly, but there is a big difference in how these aircraft handle, enough to warrant their presence.

 

On top of that, when we take models that were the mainstay of the air forces like the Bf-109, the Spitfire and Yak-1/7 it's mandatory to have lots of variants.

 

It's funny because people nitpick a lot with the 109 repetitions but nobody states the obvious fact that the Yak-3 was an improvement of the Yak-1B, itself a revision of the original Yak-1, while the Yak-9 was also a derivative of the Yak-7B which was mostly a re-engined and up-gunned Yak-7 (to the point that there were razorback Yak-7Bs flying with little differences, much like the Yak-1B and the BoS Yak). Sure, the designations changed but they were modernisations at heart.

[TheElf]

12.7 mm machine guns and an optional 30 mm nose cannon, for a start.

 

 

So a completely new plane then...got it.

13mm actually, a whole 0.3mm extra punch I know the flight models are not the latest but if you go and fly 1946 the difference between the G-2 and G-6 feels outrageously big. Back when I used to fly Luftwaffe all the time (except for the MiG-3 and P-39, those have been with me since the very first Il-2 release) I hated the G-6 with a passion because of how heavy it felt - it was my lack of skill mostly, but there is a big difference in how these aircraft handle, enough to warrant their presence.

 

On top of that, when we take models that were the mainstay of the air forces like the Bf-109, the Spitfire and Yak-1/7 it's mandatory to have lots of variants.

 

It's funny because people nitpick a lot with the 109 repetitions but nobody states the obvious fact that the Yak-3 was an improvement of the Yak-1B, itself a revision of the original Yak-1, while the Yak-9 was also a derivative of the Yak-7B which was mostly a re-engined and up-gunned Yak-7 (to the point that there were razorback Yak-7Bs flying with little differences, much like the Yak-1B and the BoS Yak). Sure, the designations changed but they were modernisations at heart.

 

 

yup, this is the mentality that will ensure we see nothing but Yaks and 109s labelled as a bevy of new aircraft.  Can't wait to see the next volume of BoS...

[4thFG_Cap_D_Gentile]

 

• F2F
• F4F
• F6F
• F4U
• SBD
• Zekes
• D3A
• KI43
• KI61
• KI84

 

Agree :-) And the Hawk 75 to fight those Oscars

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

So they have plenty of speed when they dive to the deck and bomb at tree top level?

Sure, I'll give them that too. The fighters will have a field day if that is their tactic. Stay high and extend is probably their best option. It's the only way I've ever seen the Heinkel survive in this series. You usually see them flying on the Normal servers, singly, at 1500m on suicide missions currently. Seems pretty damn silly to me.

 

I know the expert servers have bomber nights and guys who fly cooperatively. I suspect they have slightly higher success rates and better tactics.

Edited December 12, 2015 by [LBS]HerrMurf

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

With all due respect Murf, try to imagine what it was like being really enthusiastic about the Eastern Front for the first 15 years of comercial combat flight sim history.

 

I'm fine with the devs eventually moving to the West or Pacific or whereever, be it the 4th, 5th or 6th installment, but I simply cannot see how it's some kind of "obligation" for them to do so.

 

Back in the wild years ca. 1995 - 2000 when every developer worth their salt tried their hand with flight sims, there never seemed to be any pressure to do the Eastern Front (Luftwaffe Commander did it, but only from one perspective)

Then came IL-2 and blew the competitors out of the water, and since then people have been complaining, that the one sim that ever focused on the Eastern Front isn't doing enough to cater to a "western audience".

Well, to be fair I've thrown a fair amount of time and money at the series as a customer and helped out needy pilots without thinking of anything other than expanding the sim and the user base. I think I and others should have some of our expectations met with regard to theater as well. I haven't for a moment stated anyone should be denied their time in the East. I guess I can vote with my wallet if it comes down to it. It won't hurt me but it will deny another dozen guys who wont be seeing free planes in their mailboxes.

Edited December 12, 2015 by [LBS]HerrMurf

[7.GShAP/Silas]

So a completely new plane then...got it.

 

 

yup, this is the mentality that will ensure we see nothing but Yaks and 109s labelled as a bevy of new aircraft.  Can't wait to see the next volume of BoS...

 

 

Para un mejor ejemplo, a Yak-9 and an IL-2M are essentially brand new aircraft(at least in the eyes of those who have an interest in them) .  I believe that's a very agreeable jump to make from one set to the next, and I believe it's the one we're likely to get.  The Axis flyers could probably rattle off two of their own parallel examples.

Edited December 12, 2015 by Silas

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

TheElf, if these aircraft were present in a particular scenario, their numbers were overwhelming and the development cycles for them are considerably shorter than the rest (thus allowing for more titles to be released and thereby expanding the series), what do you suggest the developers do?

 

Not to mention that so far they have added:

• Yak-1
• LaGG-3
• La-5
• MiG-3
• I-16
• P-40
• Bf-110
• Ju-87
• Ju-88
• He-111

...without repeating models just yet. Yes, the Bf-109, Il-2 and Pe-2 are earlier versions of the same aircraft, with some minor to major differences. But considering that these aircraft were the backbone of the German fighter and Soviet attack forces, I don't think it's worth making a fuss over eight aircraft being 'repeated' in a selection of 20.

Edited December 12, 2015 by Lucas_From_Hell

[Matt]

 Can't wait to see the next volume of BoS...

 

Me too!

[Dennis_Nedry]

I think the Battle of Kursk has to be one of the top contenders for the next  theater.  If we get a panther in a future update it's probably almost a certainty.  

 

Kursk!

 

I agree though, Kursk seems likely.

[RAY-EU]

The Battle of Britain with planes old like BOM or Kursk with more advanced planes of BOS .

[TheElf]

Para un mejor ejemplo, a Yak-9 and an IL-2M are essentially brand new aircraft(at least in the eyes of those who have an interest in them) .  I believe that's a very agreeable jump to make from one set to the next, and I believe it's the one we're likely to get.  The Axis flyers could probably rattle off two of their own parallel examples.

 

 

Thats all well and good, and in real life the jump from an IL-2 1941 to an IL-2M or from a G-2 to a G-6 was a major accomplishment of engineering.  BUT, this isn't real life, and for the Devs making a 109G-6 would be a simple matter of tweaking the current G-2 aesthetically and then tweaking its performance and adding 13mm machine guns and an unlockable 30mm cannon.  Voila! you have a BRAND NEW airplane.  Is this what you want the next 2 years of development to be about?

 

Again, I for one would rather see a pack of Variants released (109G-6, Yak-7b, La-5FN, Ju-87G, IL-2M) as a stand alone product of plane content  "grab bags" or hell a ROF-esque sale of individual planes costing around $5-10, seeing as how we have all already paid for the G-2, IL-2, He-111, Yak, La, FW etc.  I will be supremely pissed if Vol III of BoS comes out with these BoS and BoM aircraft slightly tweaked and sold as "new Content."

 

Anyone with a brain, even one clouded by the blissful dream of a Kuban or Bagration release, should be able to realize the Devs AREN'T completely redesigning the Bf-109G-2 into a brand new Bf-109G-6, and that to waste a 2 year development cycle on such a release and at the same time calling new and paying $80 + dollars for it is just plain dumb.

 

The next Volume of BoS needs to go in a direction that adds 10 COMPLETELY new aircraft and maps.  Eastern Front content can be added in the forms of maps, Plane variant packs, and hell how bout a free update!  Our ground units need some help, as the latest Dev diary just recycled a bunch of models that we already had....yay... : (

[TheElf]

TheElf, if these aircraft were present in a particular scenario, their numbers were overwhelming and the development cycles for them are considerably shorter than the rest (thus allowing for more titles to be released and thereby expanding the series), what do you suggest the developers do?

 

Not to mention that so far they have added:

• Yak-1
• LaGG-3
• La-5
• MiG-3
• I-16
• P-40
• Bf-110
• Ju-87
• Ju-88
• He-111

...without repeating models just yet. Yes, the Bf-109, Il-2 and Pe-2 are earlier versions of the same aircraft, with some minor to major differences. But considering that these aircraft were the backbone of the German fighter and Soviet attack forces, I don't think it's worth making a fuss over eight aircraft being 'repeated' in a selection of 20.

 

Thats great Lucas.  Really.  And you are right.  They aren't repeating yet.  But the unfortunate tide of thinking around here is that they should start repeating.  See my post above as to what I think about that. 

 

What I am suggesting is that a AAA sim release such as BoS, and BoM are, and BoX will be MUST be about new content.  I for one, as a staunch supporter of IL-2 will not be happy if they recycle planes into a "New Release", much like they just did with the ground units in BoM.  

 

Did you notice that?  THEY ARE THE SAME GROUND UNIT MODELS.  BoM adds Nothing new in the ground units.  I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

 

This game is amazing.  It has SO much potential.  I'm just afraid the devs will listen to you people, and we'll be paying $80 for a new Russian map (yay), a G-6, IL-2M, Ju-87G, Yak-9, La-5FN, He-111H-7, FW-190A-4 and a premium Hs-129 and Tu-2.

[Y-29.Silky]

These passages warm my heart  and mind you, I come from the fabled 'Western Hemisphere' that is supposed to 'only' want P-51s. There is another popular sim making Western Europe 1943-1945 as we speak, and when a Russian developer starts making a series that depicts some of the most massive and important military operations of the war in a theatre that is nearly always criminally neglected by the Western perspective of the war and people complain and wish they would shift their focus because they want shiny P-51s like DCS and every single other flight simulator that came before them had? 

 

IL-2 has NEVER covered the USAAF to the extent of the VVS, Luftwaffe, USN/Japa in PF, and RAF with Clod.

A few flight models from 10 years ago and that's it. And a B-25.

And the 'campaigns' were even worse than the BoS campaign.

 

Don't get me wrong, I know I'll be flying the same ole 109's, Yak's, La's that are the same as before but with a better engines covering battles that were mainly tank battles, oh I'm so excited!

Edited December 12, 2015 by Y-29.Silky

[TheElf]

These passages warm my heart  and mind you, I come from the fabled 'Western Hemisphere' that is supposed to 'only' want P-51s. There is another popular sim making Western Europe 1943-1945 as we speak, and when a Russian developer starts making a series that depicts some of the most massive and important military operations of the war in a theatre that is nearly always criminally neglected by the Western perspective of the war and people complain and wish they would shift their focus because they want shiny P-51s like DCS and every single other flight simulator that came before them had? 

 

Lucas, you are completely wrong about the Western perspective of WWII.  Without turning this into a political discussion...

 

Why do you suppose it is that from 1946 to 1989 Western academia and entertainment venues only focused on the war in Europe (or Pacific), and had virtually no primary documents telling the story of the war in the East?  hmm?

 

To say the West has "criminally neglected" the contributions of the Russians is a HUGELY misinformed perspective in itself.  To be more accurate, it would be fair to say the Eastern perspective was WITHELD from the the West, due to the unfortunate political climate.  And while that climate was in place the West INVENTED flight simulators and personal computers... so you're welcome.  

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Anyone with a brain, even one clouded by the blissful dream of a Kuban or Bagration release, should be able to realize the Devs AREN'T completely redesigning the Bf-109G-2 into a brand new Bf-109G-6, and that to waste a 2 year development cycle on such a release and at the same time calling new and paying $80 + dollars for it is just plain dumb.

 

I understand your concern but you also need to understand that having these aircraft that are easier to create shortens development time, thus allowing them to push out new maps and etc. without having to slave over minor aircraft. Plus, having the backbone aircraft included means the volumes are more marketable to standalone customers as well.

 

 

Did you notice that?  THEY ARE THE SAME GROUND UNIT MODELS.  BoM adds Nothing new in the ground units.  I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

 

This game is amazing.  It has SO much potential.  I'm just afraid the devs will listen to you people, and we'll be paying $80 for a new Russian map (yay), a G-6, IL-2M, Ju-87G, Yak-9, La-5FN, He-111H-7, FW-190A-4 and a premium Hs-129 and Tu-2.

 

I don't think most people took any offence from the ground units, those were the units that were there. You need to remember that the difference between the end of the Battle of Moscow and the beginning of the Battle of Stalingrad is less than 3 months. For that matter, the plane set you suggested has been mentioned as most of the forum's dream plane set for a Battle of Kursk, you'll find most people will love to have that.

 

 

Lucas, you are completely wrong about the Western perspective of WWII.  Without turning this into a political discussion...

 

Why do you suppose it is that from 1946 to 1989 Western academia and entertainment venues only focused on the war in Europe (or Pacific), and had virtually no primary documents telling the story of the war in the East?  hmm?

 

To say the West has "criminally neglected" the contributions of the Russians is a HUGELY misinformed perspective in itself.  To be more accurate, it would be fair to say the Eastern perspective was WITHELD from the the West, due to the unfortunate political climate.  And while that climate was in place the West INVENTED flight simulators and personal computers... so you're welcome.  

 

I can't discuss this without going into politics so I'll leave it at saying that I deeply disagree with this.

[TheElf]

I understand your concern but you also need to understand that having these aircraft that are easier to create shortens development time, thus allowing them to push out new maps and etc. without having to slave over minor aircraft. Plus, having the backbone aircraft included means the volumes are more marketable to standalone customers as well.

 

 

 

I don't think most people took any offence from the ground units, those were the units that were there. You need to remember that the difference between the end of the Battle of Moscow and the beginning of the Battle of Stalingrad is less than 3 months. For that matter, the plane set you suggested has been mentioned as most of the forum's dream plane set for a Battle of Kursk, you'll find most people will love to have that.

 

 

 

I can't discuss this without going into politics so I'll leave it at saying that I deeply disagree with this.

 

 

I think you are totally missing my point.  I want all these aircraft too.  What I am suggesting is that to provide them all as part of the next release would set the IL-2 community back 2 years in terms of expanding to other areas of WWII, and you'd be effectively paying for planes with only slight incremental improvements in performance and armament.  Do they scratch an itch that the Eastern front has, sure, but they won't be NEW content by any stretch of the imagination.  If you can't see that then there is no hope for you.

 

As far as politics go, that is really the point, and you made it for me.  The West couldn't see the Eastern Front as well in order to pay it its due, for likely the very same reason you "deeply disagree" with me.  But calling the West's neglect of the topic criminal is deeply flawed, as the west wasn't given a choice in the matter.

Edited December 12, 2015 by TheElf

[Feathered_IV]

Gosh we do love our lists don't we?

[BraveSirRobin]

Gosh we do love our lists don't we?

 

We should start a poll on that.

[SOLIDKREATE]

Gosh we do love our lists don't we?

 

 

We should start a poll on that.

 

 

 

This list I made was a question to the DEV's if we would ever see any of the following for the Eastern Front. I didn't make it because I "love" list's or anything.