Properly configuring the joystick axis - filtering....

[Guest deleted@50488]

I've avoided using filters as most use, in pitch, roll and yaw, but, because of the effects called "wobbling" mentioned at another thread I decided to give it a fair try.

 

To be really fair, I set my pitch and yaw axis to 100% filtering ( fully non-linear / exponential ) and found out that the reported wobbling almost vanishes, at least in the form I was accustomed to before using such settings.

 

Went online, entered a couple of dogfights, which I easily lost very easily, but that's only my fault, and was very satisfied with the 109 F4 behavior.

 

Tomorrow will try with the G2 and the LagG3.

 

I may have found a "solution", and... it was available from the beginning  ... Well... 

[reddog=11blueleader*]

Good to hear that. I flew the twin engine Russian bomber today and I did not notice as much wobble if at all with that aircraft. Controls were very smooth and it had the feeling of a heavy aircraft, maybe because it is a bomber after all.

[KoN_]

See if this helps .

[JGr2/J5_W0LF-]

Con I tried those setting and it does stop the wobbling, I'm going to give it a try for a little bit. Thanks dude, I wonder what others are using as well. Anyone care to share their settings. My squadron flies the bf-109 only.

Edited December 10, 2015 by 4./JG53_Badger

[TheElf]

You absolutely have to manipulate Joystick Pitch curves to your own style of fighting.  It makes a huge difference, and is wholly dependent on the individual and his/her preferences.

[Guest deleted@50488]

Will try your suggestion Con - Thx!

 

BTW: The recently released E7 feels to me as the most harmonious aircraft in BoS so far. It's a real joy to fly, even regarding that "wobbling" effect. With these new pitch and yaw filters it is near perfect :-)

[GP*]

This fix has been offered for a long time now. I've used it since the beta of BoS to make the game remotely enjoyable.

 

It's still just a Band-Aid, however, to a larger issue. If it allows people who experience "wobbling" to enjoy the sim, however, the intent is met.

 

Have fun!

[Dakpilot]

This 'fix' slows down the initial speed of control surface movement 

 

I have always felt/said that what can be achieved with a desktop joystick in control inputs would be impossible in a real A/C

 

As FM gets more sophisticated in sims, more realistic control surface inputs will be needed, otherwise the FM will be trying to provide results from unrealistic/impossible inputs

 

To provide default settings for every control surface at every possible speed in all different A/C which works with all input devices would be a mammoth task, even if that data was available, all we can hope for is a closer basic setting and individual user adjustment for each aircraft

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Guest deleted@50488]

For the time being I'll continue using the settings, either the 100% or those suggested i.e. by others, like J77_Con above in this thread.

 

It's reasonable, until probably the Devs find some time to go deeper into the FDM code and find some way of tuning it ...

[KoN_]

I fly 190 mainly so these settings work for me ,But i am still not 100% happy the 109 i just can not fly with my warthogs .

Its the way i fly heavy handed .

Tweak away . That`s all i could do .

Also change your input devices settings

 

Edited December 11, 2015 by II./JG77_Con

[Sokol1]

I fly 190 mainly so these settings work for me ,But i am still not 100% happy the 109 i just can not fly with my warthogs .

 

But if you have Warthog why not set the curves in TARGET as this are more flexible - allow set any values/curves, and leave in game in 0?

 

BTW - Your Fw 190 reduced axis course settings remember people in Warbirds Online (98/99) that fly Fw 190 only with elevator trim. 

Edited December 11, 2015 by Sokol1

[KoN_]

But if you have Warthog why not set the curves in TARGET as this are more flexible - allow set any values/curves, and leave in game in 0?

 

BTW - Your Fw 190 reduced axis course settings remember people in Warbirds Online (98/99) that fly Fw 190 only with elevator trim. 

I tried target a few patches back and ran into problems , that some of the keys wouldn't work while target was running  , maybe i should try target again .

[SharpeXB]

I tried this test. Go to the responses menu and try to walk up and down each tick mark using your joystick. Try to hold the pointer still on each little mark. If you see some shaking of the pointer, try setting the filter up a bit. Seems like it helps.

[dburne]

I tried target a few patches back and ran into problems , that some of the keys wouldn't work while target was running  , maybe i should try target again .

 

Were they certain combo key presses?

BOS does not do well with TARGET inputting a combo key press, it sees it as the two keys being depressed at the same time.

 

You can get around that by introducing a small delay, between the first key being pressed and held and the second key then being pressed and released.

 

Other than that little nuance , TARGET worked very well for me in BOS.

[Trident_109]

Is there any possibility the developers would include the "curves menu" from RoF? I find these to be rather limiting and ineffective compared to the ones in RoF. Heck, I'd settle for the ones in IL2 1946.

[Sokol1]

Is there any possibility the developers would include the "curves menu" from RoF? I find these to be rather limiting and ineffective compared to the ones in RoF. Heck, I'd settle for the ones in IL2 1946.

 

The answer is this - a advance settings option - will be  "complicated" for "new players"... 

[KoN_]

The answer is this - a advance settings option - will be  "complicated" for "new players"... 

Well that worked ... :wacko:

Its just the hardcore here . ...

[SharpeXB]

The answer is this - a advance settings option - will be  "complicated" for "new players"... 

I like the menu in RoF too. It's very well done and necessary in RoF. Following some discussions there though it seems like, you're right, it's too complicated for many players.

[Ace_Pilto]

The answer is this - a advance settings option - will be  "complicated" for "new players"... 

 

The entire point of an "Advanced" setting is to be more complex. That's what advanced means, new players beware!

[dburne]

Lol I would imagine most enthusiasts that fly combat flight sims on the PC, can handle and appreciate the so called "advanced" controller settings - and in fact very much want them.

[Sokol1]

I like the menu in RoF too. It's very well done and necessary in RoF. Following some discussions there though it seems like, you're right, it's too complicated for many players.

 

This - be "complicated" - is not my option, is the official answer for these questions, look at Q&A in Russian forum... 

 

Is said that use RoF solutions is not viable, will scare the "new player"...

 

Maybe for "leveling" the things are only one option for all...

 

To be honest, many "old players" want play the game using "6 buttons" only too.   

Edited December 13, 2015 by Sokol1

[SharpeXB]

Lol I would imagine most enthusiasts that fly combat flight sims on the PC, can handle and appreciate the so called "advanced" controller settings - and in fact very much want them.

Well yes I think the response curve menu system in RoF is really essential to getting the game to handle well. But many people don't even seem to understand what the shape of those curves even does or they've got it backwards and are actually making the planes harder to control.

Some of the discussion here related to FFB makes me think BoS needs a way to custom tune the responses as well. And people do all sorts of things with controllers which are really useful so the more freedom the better.

[KoN_]

Well i don't see the mass of new players here .

 

could of ,

would of ,

should of ,

[smink1701]

I fly 190 mainly so these settings work for me ,But i am still not 100% happy the 109 i just can not fly with my warthogs .

Its the way i fly heavy handed .

Tweak away . That`s all i could do .

Also change your input devices settings

 

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Thanks Con for your settings suggestion.  I think for me they are a noticeable improvement.  Joystick inputs seem less nervous and have the feeling of more weight.

[Trident_109]

The answer is this - a advance settings option - will be  "complicated" for "new players"... 

Bah! Humbug. If I can figure it out, anyone can. Sadly, you're probably right Sokol1.

[dburne]

 But many people don't even seem to understand what the shape of those curves even does or they've got it backwards and are actually making the planes harder to control.

 

 

But of course, anyone new to flight simming is going to be a little lost at first as to what those things do for controller setups. The beauty of having it available, is it is there for them to learn as they progress, should they desire.

[von_Tom]

I've tried Con's and tweaked them to provide a decent compromise for the 109 and 190.  I don't like setting an Edges dead zone as that simply means that the control surface shoots to its maximum deflection when the stick is not at maximum deflection.  At least that's what the graphics suggest as the deflection exceeds stick movement.

 

For what it's worth here are mine.

 

von Tom

 

Edit:  TM Warthog with Saitek Combat Pro pedals

Edited December 13, 2015 by von_Tom

[indiaciki]

I have noise filter at 39% and no wobbling flying with an x-box controller since my Saitek Fly 5 broke. no driver on the x_box controller: A really bad controler BTW. i'm not even using my saitek pedals so i can keep my feet on my desk while flyng. I still don't get the idea of wobbling. 

Edited December 13, 2015 by indiaciki