Question on campaign progression.

[CIA_Yankee_]

Salutations.

 

I have a simple question concerning PWCG:

 

Is there such a thing as progression from one airframe to another, or must this be handled manually?

 

For example, is it possible to start in a LaGG squadron, and then over time have the squadron equipped with Yaks? Or must you switch squadrons?

 

Thank you.

[Bando]

In ROF it is so that when the squadron changed planes historically, so did the sim squadron. I guess, when Patrick has all he wants into this CG, this can be implemented and perhaps it already is.

But as far as I think, the timespan from the BOS was about 6 months. Were there many squadrons in those 6 months changing aircraft? 

[CIA_Yankee_]

Hmm, good point, about the timespan involved. Probably greatly limits progression of one airframe to another (that's more likely handled by switching to different battles).

[Bando]

If you want to switch planes, just start a new career.

[PatrickAWlson]

PWCG has always handled such transitions, but they do not happen in the BoS version yet because of the short time frame.  If anybody knows of such a transition during Stalingrad please let me know, but I am going to guess it didn't really happen.  

[Willy__]

 

 

If you want to switch planes, just start a new career.

 

Dont need to. Just go to the "transfer" option and choose a squadron with a different plane. The next mission you will be flying with that squadron and plane. 

[PatrickAWlson]

PWCG is very lenient about transfers.  You can even go from bomber to dive bomber to fighter and back.  

[CIA_Yankee_]

Another question: does the PWCG handle kills by AI automatically, or do I need to claim them for the flight?

 

For example, I just flew a mission where I'm _pretty_ sure the AI downed 2 190s while I got 2 others. The debrief did show 2 190s destroyed (no attribution) and 2 190s destroyed by myself, however the 2 unattributed 190s destroyed were not assigned to anyone (of course, that's what unattributed means, mind you *grin*).

 

So for the AI to be attributed, should I be claiming ALL bandits shot down, including those downed by the AI?

 

Thank you.

[LLv24_Zami]

Another question: does the PWCG handle kills by AI automatically, or do I need to claim them for the flight?

 

For example, I just flew a mission where I'm _pretty_ sure the AI downed 2 190s while I got 2 others. The debrief did show 2 190s destroyed (no attribution) and 2 190s destroyed by myself, however the 2 unattributed 190s destroyed were not assigned to anyone (of course, that's what unattributed means, mind you *grin*).

 

So for the AI to be attributed, should I be claiming ALL bandits shot down, including those downed by the AI?

 

Thank you.

You claim only your own kills.

[Bando]

Hi Zami, you are right, but.....

 

I have seen it happen as follows:

4 enemy AC were killed.

1 by me, 3 by AI squadron mates.

I claimed 4 kills (just to see what happened)

The debrief told me I killed 1, and 3 more were destroyed without the debrief saying how they were destroyed.

I got 4 kills credited.

 

There is something fishy in the claim/credit logic.

[LLv24_Zami]

Hi Zami, you are right, but.....

 

I have seen it happen as follows:

4 enemy AC were killed.

1 by me, 3 by AI squadron mates.

I claimed 4 kills (just to see what happened)

The debrief told me I killed 1, and 3 more were destroyed without the debrief saying how they

were destroyed.

I got 4 kills credited.

 

There is something fishy in the claim/credit logic.

Yes, that sounds like a bug.

[CIA_Yankee_]

So I am meant to claim only my own kills, while the others should be attributed automatically?

 

As I understand it, our squadmates getting kills is still important, is it not, as it increases their own skill level? Or am I confabulating something?

[PatrickAWlson]

Hi Zami, you are right, but.....

 

I have seen it happen as follows:

4 enemy AC were killed.

1 by me, 3 by AI squadron mates.

I claimed 4 kills (just to see what happened)

The debrief told me I killed 1, and 3 more were destroyed without the debrief saying how they were destroyed.

I got 4 kills credited.

 

There is something fishy in the claim/credit logic.

 

Logs are often imprecise as to who shot down whom.  As a result PWCG claims handling is loaded with concessions to this reality.  

 

PWCG favors the player's claims.  If you want to over claim you will probably be awarded the victories.  If the victory is definitely awarded to a squadron mate your claim will be denied.  If the logs are not definitive you will be awarded the victory.

 

Short version - don't over claim unless you really want the victory.

 

Conversely, PWCG will not award a victory that you do not claim.  If you scored more than you claimed your extra victories are awarded to another member of your flight.  Scoring victories raises an AI pilot's competency level, so letting your wing mates have a victory is a good way of boosting your AI mate's ability.  

 

Summary - claim only those victories that you really believe that you are entitled to.  If you do his PWCG will work to your satisfaction. 

 

Per the specific issue raised:

The debriefing states what the logs really showed.  Four planes crashed.  One was shot down by you.  Three more crashed for indeterminate reasons (not necessarily shot down  by your squadron mates, at least according to the logs).  You claimed four.  Because PWCG cannot identify a positive victor for the other three your claim is accepted.  If the other three had a positive victor (i.e. the victor is identified as one of your squadron mates, or AAA, or anything other than "I don't know") your claim would have been denied.

[Bando]

Well, that clears that.

Thanks for explaining.

Edited December 2, 2015 by Bando

[CIA_Yankee_]

Thanks for the response... I'll be underclaiming then, to give my squadmates a better progression.

[PatrickAWlson]

BTW: According to his book, Hartmann claimed and received credit for four IL2s while actually shooting down only one.  After the first one went down the IL2 leader attempted a split-S from 1500 feet.  His flight mates followed.  They crashed in formation.  Hartmann was awarded credit for all four since his actions caused their loss.  

 

So ... looks like you are the new Erich Hartmann!

[CIA_Yankee_]

Yeeaaah, that must be it.

 

Though to be honest, AI is more likely to be blamed. The 190s weren't fighting very vertically, I'm afraid. We were in LaGGs, I did not expect us to win that engagement.