Don't tell me it is not possible...

[Scheintot]

Hello,

 

I've just bought IL2 BOS because it was not as expensive as usually... Usually I am playing War Thunder Simulator (regarding to WW2 Flight Games).

 

Now I try to assign the view axis to an analog (like Ps2 gamepad) stick, but it seems to be impossible because the game has no option to make it relative and not relative like in War Thunder.

 

I've already read a forum thread about it: http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/18002-view-controls-mapped-joystick-axle/

 

I am realy happy I didn't buy IL2 a couple of month ago for more money.... And please, do not suggest me to buy TRACKIR.

 

In my opinion it should just be possible to assign an analog stick to view horizontal and vertical... without any problem, it is realy frustrating.

 

And yes, I have already tried to press F9....

Edited November 28, 2015 by Scheintot

[[CPT]milopugdog]

Did you already map it? If so, there is no need to go into a sub-window to make it relative. You may need to change the head movement type from inside the control window. I believe there are different snap and pan controls.

Edited November 28, 2015 by 6./ZG1_milopugdog

[Scheintot]

What do you mean with already map it? I went into the controls (key mapping) and then below pilot head control I've assigned the analog stick to bow pilot head vertically and turn pilot head horizontally.

Then I went into the game, pressed F9 to try any mode (pan view and the others aswell) and the view is centered after I leave the stick without input. I know why, because the stick is moving back to middle and then the game thinks it is an input.

[71st_AH_Hooves]

Why are you pressing for again?

[-TBC-AeroAce]

I'm not sure how but I did manage this a couple of years ago. Maybe I used xpadder or something

[Scheintot]

I have acutally hoped I don't need any extra programs to run this game.... it just disappoints me that something like this is not possible.

[LukeFF]

Buy a TrackIR. 

[Sokol1]

 

Now I try to assign the view axis to an analog (like Ps2 gamepad) stick, but it seems to be impossible because the game has no option to make it relative and not relative like in War Thunder.

 

You can assign axis (joy, gamepad mini-stick...) for control camera. I already test this.

 

The good this is the camera already center when you release the control. And dont have that "float view" of TrackIR. 

 

 

In this test I use a joystick with bad potentiometer - cause this "jerky" vision.

 

Add the axis in Pilot Head, probable for this:

 

Bow pilot head vertically

Turn pilot head horizontally

 

Dont remove the mouse axis already assigned, add the new axes in other column. (1).

 

I dont know how is in War Thunder, but the above is similar on Wings of Prey (WT grandpa).

 

In matter of camera control BoS is very flexible, comparable to DCS (in some ways better).

 

(1) Sometimes for axis assignment work is need restart the game.

Edited November 28, 2015 by Sokol1

[Scheintot]

Hey,

 

It is not about assign an analog for view. It is HOW the game is doing it. If you look to the right you need to HOLD the stick to the right. In War thunder I just move the stick to the right and leave my fingers of the stick. The view is still to the right. Like Mouseview for analog....thats why I mentioned relative and not relative control, in case you don't know.

But everytime I do this in BOS it is centered to view after I leave my fingers of the stick. (the view goes back to front)

 

Sry I explained my problem a bit unclear.

Edited November 28, 2015 by Scheintot

[ShamrockOneFive]

I'm not near my computer right now but I think F9 or F10 changes the way you change view. Snap to centre, pan, pivot, etc. Probably what's happening here.

 

My preferred method is to use one of the hats on top of my stick to manage view angles and as soon as I let off the hat it stays put.

Edited November 28, 2015 by ShamrockOneFive

[Scheintot]

I have already tried that.

[Sokol1]

Panning will work with joystick HAT, so the camera stay in last position, but with analog mini-stick or joystick will return to center due the spring.

 

This what the guy want... "somethings only War Thunder do for you". 

[Scheintot]

Why they just don't add it into the game?

[Sokol1]

If you have faith, go there:

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/767-thread-gather-your-suggestions/

Edited November 28, 2015 by Sokol1

[Scheintot]

If you have faith sounds like a post from war thunder forum... same here or what? Regards to gaijin is ignoring the forum. I realy hope it goes better..

Edited November 28, 2015 by Scheintot

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Just an idea that was possible in DCS, is there a way to add a modifier that sort of enables the stick for the time the player wants to move the head and then stop counting movement once released (i.e. R1 + stick movement)? I used that to map some 40 commands to a 10-button HOTAS, but not sure if Il-2 allows for that. Perhaps an external program (as suggested) can give you that possibility?

[Scheintot]

Not possible with everything in IL2... sadly. With external program it is probably possible but a lot to configure.... and sry but I want to avoid to use a activation for view axis... thats better for throttle in my opinion. Like use this analogstick for view and when I hold R1 (like in your example) use this stick not for view but for throttle.

 

At the moment I use joytokey to assign that  function actually.

Edited November 28, 2015 by Scheintot

[Sokol1]

The good news: a workaround (tested there now):

 

Assign the joystick X, Y axis plus a modifier* for  

 

Bow pilot head vertically

Turn pilot head horizontally

 

Press and hold the modifier, the joy axis now control the camera POV, when in the desired position release the modifier, the camera POV stay there until you command a different direction, or press the button for reset camera.

 

*Now the 'bad" news:  

The game only accept Windows modifiers (Alt, Ctrl, Shift, Win key, L/R), so if you want use a joy button for this modifier (more convenient), need use 3rd. party soft to make joy buttons press the modifier keys, e.g. the "Swiss pocket knife" Joy2Key.

 

And don't take "a lot to configure" just a minute or two.

Edited November 28, 2015 by Sokol1

[Scheintot]

Thank you for your testing. Ive already done something else. I will use joytokey and assign the analog to mouse... so the game thinks it is my mouse. It is a bit easier.

[Sokol1]

This, plus a button to reset the camera is a good solution, I use similar with HAT for il2'46 and CloD (TrackIR shelved).

[Livai]

Buy a TrackIR. 

 

Did I understand you right. That you are going to buy everybody a TrackIR who need one! That are really great news from you. And don't tell me it is not possible...

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

Buy a TrackIR. 

 

DO NOT take this advice.  BUY A JOYSTICK.

[SharpeXB]

DO NOT take this advice. BUY A JOYSTICK.

Buy them both ;-)

 

Joytokey sounds like the right solution to this problem.

Edited November 28, 2015 by SharpeXB

[Willy__]

 

 

It is not about assign an analog for view. It is HOW the game is doing it. If you look to the right you need to HOLD the stick to the right. In War thunder I just move the stick to the right and leave my fingers of the stick. The view is still to the right. Like Mouseview for analog....thats why I mentioned relative and not relative control, in case you don't know. But everytime I do this in BOS it is centered to view after I leave my fingers of the stick. (the view goes back to front)

 

What you want is Pan view. You must be using the Snap view, which "snaps" back to center after you release the button. The game has the two modes, you are just not knowing how to properly operate them.

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

Wait; you do know this isn't a War Thunder game right? 

 

So Joystick, throttle controler, rudder pedals, trackir; equals fun! 

Edited November 28, 2015 by 71st_Mastiff

[Sokol1]

 

 

What you want is Pan view.

 

But as he need control the "Pan View" with analog axes (in PS2 like gamepad)  and not with digital HAT, the POV always return to center.

 

Why he need J2K to make this axes move mouse cursor (or alternatively, press 4, 6, 2, 8). 

Edited November 28, 2015 by Sokol1

[Scheintot]

What you want is Pan view. You must be using the Snap view, which "snaps" back to center after you release the button. The game has the two modes, you are just not knowing how to properly operate them.

 

 

Not true. I have already mentioned that I have pressed F9 and checked every mode. It is the same with every mode.

 

I have given up to use IL2 without JoytoKey so far. At least all what I want is working now...

 

And yes, IL2 is not War Thunder but in my opinion it should be added in IL2 aswell...

 

Don't want to start an IL2 vs War Thunder, I know myself that a lot of other things in War Thunder doesn't run good.

Edited November 29, 2015 by Scheintot

[[CPT]milopugdog]

Not true. I have already mentioned that I have pressed F9 and checked every mode. It is the same with every mode.

 

I have given up to use IL2 without JoytoKey so far. At least all what I want is working now...

 

And yes, IL2 is not War Thunder but in my opinion it should be added in IL2 aswell...

 

Don't want to start an IL2 vs War Thunder, I know myself that a lot of other things in War Thunder doesn't run good.

It is not from using F9. You have to go into your controls, head movement, and scroll down until you find the set of controls for pan view.

[Sokol1]

It is not from using F9. You have to go into your controls, head movement, and scroll down until you find the set of controls for pan view.

 

Until you guys realize that he are using a analog device (PS2 like mini-stick) to control the PAN view instead a digital device (keys or HAT), your advices will be futile... 

 

Like in il-2' 2001 - if you want a different camera control than default ones,  is need use 3rd. part software, like J2K (or Xpadder), for il-2 2001 was created the excellent NewView (that few people know).

 

The way he find do deal with thew problem is OK, and that soft is useful for other things. 

 

 

Scheintot, on 28 Nov 2015 - 17:33, said:

If you have faith sounds like a post from war thunder forum... same here or what? Regards to gaijin is ignoring the forum. I realy hope it goes better.

 

 

May you dont know, but this game controls follow this motto: "Less keys is better"  - if was possible, will only have the same numbers control that a XBox control have. 

 

If you read the "Question for developers" you may notice that all question relatives to improve/add controls is negative. This will make the game more "complicate" what can scary the target public, the casual gamer, category in what your approach - play with gamepad - appear fit. Please, don't take this a critic, just a observation. 

[Scheintot]

Ok Sokol, I can deal with it.

I am actually fine now with my controls. It is playable pretty good but it could be easier for setup... But good to know that this forum is not getting ignored from devs... 

 

@

JG5_ChiefWH

 

I am not playing with mouse....

Edited November 30, 2015 by Scheintot

[6./ZG26_Emil]

Maybe try being slightly nicer in the OP and you will get loads of help

 

Here's my free tip, don't put your Christmas tree up until December