Bf-110 discussion thread

[Guest deleted@1562]

Very nice video!

[ShamrockOneFive]

I've only had a little while with the Bf110 so far but I'm very excited by what it brings to the table. The Stuka is a great dive bomber but in some of the online arenas its just not the type you want to be in when you need an attack objective accomplished. Something faster with more general firepower is needed and the Bf110E-2 seems to be pretty ideal for doing that kind of job.

 

Maybe not a great fighter vs fighter option but its not defenseless either.

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

The plane got glass wings !!! I need to be correct right away 

 

I got my wing riped off by a Pe2 tail gunner !!! 

 

Every thing else is fine so far 

[150GCT_Veltro]

The plane got glass wings !!! I need to be correct right away 

 

I got my wing riped off by a Pe2 tail gunner !!! 

 

Every thing else is fine so far 

 

Yes, it seems we need an hoftix asap here for the wings.

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

The gunner start to flicker when you have a live player on the back seat.

[Asgar]

anyone else has a feeling that the engines seem to be situated within the fuel tanks? they burn all the time for me 

[Sandhill]

I also have my problems with this, especially for the brakes are much too week. It is like braking a 40ton truck with brakes of a Fiat 500. When it starts to spin round you can´t hold it.

 

Oh come on, Fiat brakes were never THAT bad...half the time I land heading west I'm in Berlin by the time I can get it stopped and then the war is over. 

[Yogiflight]

I was talking about the old, the real, Fiat 500, from the 1970s, I think. For a car with, about 500kg weight they might have been OK, but for a 40ton truck?

[indiaciki]

maybe this is premature but - she's as exciting as a Cessna 172. Sorry.

Edited November 27, 2015 by indiaciki

[ShamrockOneFive]

maybe this is premature but - she's as exciting as a Cessna 172. Sorry.

With a pair of MG-FF/M and a SC1000 strapped underneath?

[FuriousMeow]

I've read that the 110E-2 we have has DB601A engines. (Should be DB601B which are DB601A with a different prop/engine ratio - initially fitted to early 110E-1s but the E-2 was the version that had the 601P).

 

Everything I have says E-1s were retro-fitted with DB601P engines (DB601N with different prop/engine ratio) as the 601P became available and that also includes 110D and some 110Cs as well, and all E-2s were delivered with 601Ps. Even in early 1941 the E-1s were being retrofitted with 601Ps. By late '41, I can't find any information have the 110E-2s existed with DB601Bs in large quantity. The majority were DB601Ps.

 

Does anyone have any information saying otherwise? If so, this 110 is not what it should be. It won't be magnificent by any means but it would be better than currently.

 

Also, the 109F-2 should have the DB601N so the devs should already be researching information on that engine anyway. I understand there will be tweaking and stuff to get the 601P and the 110E-2 FM to produce the proper results but there's a good difference between the 601B (601A) and 601P (601N).

 

I'm hoping it was a mistype but since it has the same limits as the DB601A in the 109E-7 I'm guessing it isn't.

Edited November 27, 2015 by FuriousMeow

[johncage]

maybe this is premature but - she's as exciting as a Cessna 172. Sorry.

the fighters resemble the cessna more

[Guest deleted@50488]

An observation, regarding ground handling, and a question from someone who just recently got interested in ww2 stuff...

 

Observation: The crew of the real Bf110 should really make use of differential throttle to help taxiing, and with tighter turns through the right. Anyway, using just brakes and good rudder inputs it is being easy to taxi for me...

 

 

Question: Wasn't the Bf110 a famous night fighter / bomber ?   Has any of the servers considered night missions, although I don't think the aircraft and the scenery are equipped with the necessary radio aids ( ? )

[FuriousMeow]

Question: Wasn't the Bf110 a famous night fighter / bomber ?   Has any of the servers considered night missions, although I don't think the aircraft and the scenery are equipped with the necessary radio aids ( ? )

 

Not until the G model and mid/late-1943 against large bomber formations in the West.

Edited November 27, 2015 by FuriousMeow

[6./ZG26_Loke]

I still find this very un-realistic that you get stuck in a few centimetres snow. Snow at hard frost usually be very fluffy, which should be no problem to plough through. It's not like heavy wet snow around 0C with a wet soft ground. Ground at -14C is hard and easy to taxi on if plain.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

I still find this very un-realistic that you get stuck in a few centimetres snow. Snow at hard frost usually be very fluffy, which should be no problem to plough through. It's not like heavy wet snow around 0C with a wet soft ground. Ground at -14C is hard and easy to taxi on if plain.

Yes, a bit of fluffy snow

you really underestimate how heavily loaded your two tiny wheels are.

 

Oh look, Ju-52 landed on a bit of fluffy snow.

Edited November 27, 2015 by Klaus_Mann

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

I still find this very un-realistic that you get stuck in a few centimetres snow. Snow at hard frost usually be very fluffy, which should be no problem to plough through. It's not like heavy wet snow around 0C with a wet soft ground. Ground at -14C is hard and easy to taxi on if plain.

Imagine trying to push a Wheelbarrow with 2+tons load on the single wheel in 15-20cm of snow.

[6./ZG26_Loke]

Nice video. But that was in way deeper snow, same for the Ju-52.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Nice video. But that was in way deeper snow, same for the Ju-52.

The Snow depts are the same as off road in Stalingrad. In the Vid it's barely ankle deep, same as in Russia in Winter.

[6./ZG26_Loke]

You see the pilot sink into his knee at one time. They stand on the snow because it's hard.

I have tried to taxi through 10-15 cm snow with a Patenavia P-68 on a grass field with no problems. Of course it is not as heavy as a 110. But temp was about -5c if I remember correct.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

You see the pilot sink into his knee at one time. They stand on the snow because it's hard.

I have tried to taxi through 10-15 cm snow with a Patenavia P-68 on a grass field with no problems. Of course it is not as heavy as a 110. But temp was about -5c if I remember correct.

We are still talking about going off the taxiway are we? On a well maintained frozen grass surface, yes, it's going to be easy to push. Where I come from we have terrain and ground structure very similar to Stalingrad, it's basically Heahtland. Now Heathland behaves differently when compared to grass. The roots of the heath create large pouches of soft material beneath them, normally where they store their water until winter comes. This means for every bush of heath there is a soft, brittle bulge-to-hole in the already very uneven ground.

You don't just taxi over this in a 7 ton aircraft on two wheels.

[6./ZG26_Loke]

I'm sure you are right Klaus_Mann. But would have been nice if we could test it with a real 110 :-).

[707shap_Srbin]

I still find this very un-realistic that you get stuck in a few centimetres snow. Snow at hard frost usually be very fluffy, which should be no problem to plough through. It's not like heavy wet snow around 0C with a wet soft ground. Ground at -14C is hard and easy to taxi on if plain.

 

Oh really?

 

 

 

 

[6./ZG26_Emil]

[6./ZG26_Loke]

Oh really?

 

 

 

 

Based on real life experience, yes I did. Until Klaus_Mann came up with a very good explanation.

[707shap_Srbin]

On 20 december 1942, Bf 110C-2 W.Nr.3009 S9+NP was shot down by Flak and belly-landed in frozen steppe on Soviet territory. Crew - Ofw. Wilhelm Dibowski and Uffz.  Kurt Meier, was seen to climb out from burning aircraft.

StaKa 4./ZG1 Oblt. Karl-Heinz Matern landed his Bf110E alongside the downed aircraft, picked up the crew and took off. Aircraft received several hits during process, but Matern (one of Zerstorer best experten of WWII) managed to make it back to Tazinskaya and made a wheels-up landing on the airfield.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I still find this very un-realistic that you get stuck in a few centimetres snow. Snow at hard frost usually be very fluffy, which should be no problem to plough through. It's not like heavy wet snow around 0C with a wet soft ground. Ground at -14C is hard and easy to taxi on if plain.

 

The last two winters here we had -20c temperature days for most of February and let me tell you, any new 25-30cm dumping would still get the occasional day time sun exposure and it would be enough to cause it to melt and then harden again. It gets to be rock solid. If you run your car into it you might as well have hit concrete. It doesn't stay fluffy for long.

Edited November 27, 2015 by ShamrockOneFive

[andyw248]

maybe this is premature but - she's as exciting as a Cessna 172. Sorry.

 

Try to map controls and keys for separate engine operation

 

 

Observation: The crew of the real Bf110 should really make use of differential throttle to help taxiing, and with tighter turns through the right. Anyway, using just brakes and good rudder inputs it is being easy to taxi for me...

 

You can use differential throttle for crosswind taxiing. Just 100 RPM more on the windward engine will help.

[6./ZG26_Loke]

Rudder trim.

I've read several places that it did have rudder trim. So is it specail that this E-2 does not have?

[andyw248]

It does have rudder trim. In Luke's cockpit guide at http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/19498-bf-110-e-2-cockpit-guide-and-engine-operation-notes/?p=306910 he calls it "yaw trim".

[StaB/Tomio_VR***]

I noticed today that combat mode on the 110 is now 15mn instead of 30mn previously ?!?

[Willy__]

 

 

I noticed today that combat mode on the 110 is now 15mn instead of 30mn previously ?!?

 

Noticed not only 110, but all german planes got more strict engine timings 

[LLv24_Zami]

Noticed not only 110, but all german

planes got more strict engine timings

Really?

Nothing on the patch notes about that.

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

I'm still flying the bf110 the same way I have always flown it. Better recalibrate your controls.

[[CPT]Pike*HarryM]

I don't notice any difference, but I don't use combat power until I'm entering the combat area, so 15 minutes would still be enough,

[LukeFF]

I noticed today that combat mode on the 110 is now 15mn instead of 30mn previously ?!?

 

Need a track, with Technochat enabled.

[KoN_]

Been flying the 110 a lot lately ,  i hardly make it home if attacked with one or two pass and the wing seem always too come off making it impossible too bail .

 

Tail gunner i don`t think he has even hit a moving target yet ..

 

But i still fly . I think it should be a stronger airframe .

 

Even the stuka could be stronger , jee don`t get me started ill be here all day and the 190 oh the 190 ...

Edited August 24, 2016 by II./JG77_Con

[Matt]

I just flew the Bf 110 for 40 minutes at combat power without any message popping up or engine damage appearing. So i must've done something wrong i guess.

[Monostripezebra]

How does the Pe-2 vs. Bf-110 match-up work out? (Away on a business trip from my gaming comp...)

 

It depends.. the 110 is faster, more maneuverable, has better energy retention and better guns. But you can jump it just like any other plane..

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqq5qa5QwRU

 

but the most relevant thing the 110 has going for it is it´s fun factor:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzBsG26Lkqo

Edited August 24, 2016 by Dr_Zeebra

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

The biggest error you can make when attacked is to break left or right on a horizontal turn.

 

Dr. Zebra show us why with this brilliant video. You will get all your wings area exposed when turning because of alpha effect. Plus no room for your gunner fire.

 

The best evasive maneuver is a barrel roll kicking hard the rudder.

 

But if want to win, get a wingman on a ZG squad. 110s are pretty effective when employed in packs.

Edited August 24, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Gielow