Developer Diary, Part 114 - Discussion

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

So; among all the doom and gloomers posting here actually tried the 777 implementation of mouse control? Or are you all just reacting with out knowing what you are talking about?   Because everyone I see who has tried it (through RoF) are saying this is no big deal.  The ones who are crying foul are those who don't know what they are talking about.

Don't know maybe a video of you slaughteirng 10+ mouseaimers in RoF might help.

[LLv24_Zami]

 It may when you realise you are getting sniped 800m away when both of you are on the verge of stall,

Did you read the post I made?

 

How can I be sniped if I play SP? Or flying on server which won`t allow mouse control?

Edited November 21, 2015 by Zami

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Except it seems to be working and they'll probably eat more than two guys sitting on only two seats!

[SYN_Mike77]

Did you read the post I made?

 

How can I be sniped if I play SP? Or flying on server which won`t allow mouse control?

And what makes it more likely that you would get sniped from 800 m away even in a MP room that allows mouse control?  Nothing, nothing at all.

Don't know maybe a video of you slaughteirng 10+ mouseaimers in RoF might help.

Good lord just try it out!   Or, if you can't be sussed, why wont you believe all of us who have tried it out who say "don't worry it's no big thing."?

[Quax]

 

Mouse control???? have become all crazy ??? but this is the War Thunder ??

 

Nonsense 

 

 

From what I can tell from the video, the plane despite less maneuvering is more stable than when flawn with a joystick. 

 

The problems I'm expecting is that It will make ground straffing much easier, bomber hunting much easier (as if we weren't vulnerable enough), shooting from longer distances easier, and leading your targets somewhat easier.

 

 

It is less stable with mouse and you will not try to do ground straffing with it. 

 

 

Mouse control is just for newbies without stick to check the game. After one hour, they buy a stick or quit the game. Perhaps they continue as gunner or in the tanks - but that´s ok !  What are you complaining about ?

 

 

Experience in RoF showed:  you recognize a mouse controlled plane in 10 secs and shoot it down in 30 secs. 

[9./JG27MAD-MM]

Is there different penetration value with the new tank model for Stuka BK 3,7 and SH 3,7 from the IL-2?

[Rjel]

2. Addition of tanks is great, but if you're going to do it at all, please don't forget us single-players.  We'd like to drive them and have missions/campaigns for them as well

I fully agree with this. Even if at first we only have the option to drive around to look the map over. If MP is the only option to try the tanks, then I'll give it a go. But I'm afraid it would end up being a very short tour in most cases before some eagle eyed fly boy came in and blew up my ride six ways to Sunday.

 

The update is impressive and informative. The last few have been great too. Remembering not so many months ago some were certain of the demise of this franchise, it's looking like this is going to be a long ride.

[LLv24_Zami]

I fully agree with this. Even if at first we only have the option to drive around to look the map over. If MP is the only option to try the tanks, then I'll give it a go. But I'm afraid it would end up being a very short tour in most cases before some eagle eyed fly boy came in and blew up my ride six ways to Sunday.

 

I think I will try tanks too in MP when they arrive. Too curious to stay out 

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Good lord just try it out!   Or, if you can't be sussed, why wont you believe all of us who have tried it out who say "don't worry it's no big thing."?

Because I have years of expirience telling me "No it's not". This is not RoF, period. It will work out differently.

 

Edit: Just for you (and some others) I just tested it in RoF with the Fokker Dr.1. Yep, just confirms what I feared. It will definetly pay off twice as bad in BoS with planes 4 times as fast and twice as agile than WW1 biplanes.

Edited November 21, 2015 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[=362nd_FS=RoflSeal]

Did you read the post I made?

 

How can I be sniped if I play SP? Or flying on server which won`t allow mouse control?

There is no confirmation whether or not WoL (which is pretty much the only consistently well populated real(-lite) server) will disable mouse aim as of yet.

 

And either way, sometimes I like to fly on the DED airquake server as it is good shooting practise because of labels, I have hunch that will allow mouse aimers.

Edited November 21, 2015 by RoflSeal

[VonMarts]

_{People  with mouse not a problem to me...}

[LLv24_Zami]

There is no confirmation whether or not WoL (which is pretty much the only consistently well populated real(-lite) server) will disable mouse aim as of yet.

 

And either way, sometimes I like to fly on the DED airquake server as it is good shooting practise because of labels, I have hunch that will allow mouse aimers.

You are right, no confirmation about disabling mouse from WoL. And no confirmation from any other server disabling mouse either. 

 

But do you have confirmation that they will use it?

Edited November 21, 2015 by Zami

[JtD]

If there's going to be a problem with mouse control, I want a flyable Hellcat. Well, if not, I'd still want it.

[71st_AH_Hooves]

Because I have years of expirience telling me "No it's not". This is not RoF, period. It will work out differently.

 

Edit: Just for you (and some others) I just tested it in RoF with the Fokker Dr.1. Yep, just confirms what I feared. It will definetly pay off twice as bad in BoS with planes 4 times as fast and twice as agile than WW1 biplanes.

video or it didnt happen, I have also tried it and it was a terrible control scheme.

[AndyJWest]

Here's how its going to work. The majority of people playing with a mouse will be doing so on SP - not affecting anyone else. If existing MP servers choose to allow mouse control, they will no doubt reassess their decision if it proves problematic. And if they decide they don't want mouse players no doubt someone will set up a mouse-control-only server. Problem solved, end of story...

Edited November 21, 2015 by AndyJWest

[E69_Haukka]

 

Well, after a breath, and talk to some people, we're going to wait out the update, see how the simulation with the ARCADE part is complemented.

We wait and see coo servers evolve, and if not, do not stay another to generate a Server absolutely and only for pilots that we like the Realistic flight with our peripherals and our cabins ..

and take advantage of them 100%

 

Salud Lothar29

 

In full agreement with you.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

video or it didnt happen, I have also tried it and it was a terrible control scheme.

It is horrible but that doesn't mean it won't let you do funky stuff. Try prop hanging with the Fokker and see for yourself how superman can still keep climbing countering any stall and engine torque.

 

Why do I need to prove if you all tested it for yourself and know it won't be that bad? It's the same mechanics as in WT, period. Only FMs differ.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

There is zero new players in RoF who is using mouse in mp. Waste of devs time. Meybe BoS will be diffrent.

[LLv24_Zami]

There is zero new players in RoF who is using mouse in mp. Waste of devs time. Meybe BoS will be diffrent.

But no harm either..

[AndyJWest]

There is zero new players in RoF who is using mouse in mp. Waste of devs time. Meybe BoS will be diffrent.

 

If the developers based their decisions on what goes on in RoF multiplayer, they would have given up years ago. MP is a very small and unrepresentative sector of the market. 

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

If the developers based their decisions on what goes on in RoF multiplayer, they would have given up years ago. MP is a very small and unrepresentative sector of the market. 

 

But we all in forms in majority are for multiplayer don't we?

[steppenwolf]

WT has many many players(12,376 as of 22 minutes ago), more than any flying game out now. I think it makes perfect sense to give that group an option to take their gaming experience to a more realistic level. 

[Yogiflight]

I think mouse controlled flying should be part of the difficulty settings, only possible in "Normal" and"Customer" Setting. "Expert" should be as near to reality as possible, which, of course flying by mousecontrol is not, it is for beginners. This, I think, would solve the problems for expert MP players. But, BTW, if "Expert" Setting is for simulating reality, zooming and flying on autopilot with timeacceleration should also be banned from it because they are in reality not possible, too.

[Finkeren]

I think mouse controlled flying should be part of the difficulty settings, only possible in "Normal" and"Customer" Setting. "Expert" should be as near to reality as possible, which, of course flying by mousecontrol is not, it is for beginners. This, I think, would solve the problems for expert MP players. But, BTW, if "Expert" Setting is for simulating reality, zooming and flying on autopilot with timeacceleration should also be banned from it because they are in reality not possible, too.

 

Gotta agree with that.

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

I hope I can fly bombers with mouse. So I can take my notebook along on my trips and have some fun online bombing airfields

 

That will make a positive difference for me.

[71st_AH_Hooves]

It is horrible but that doesn't mean it won't let you do funky stuff. Try prop hanging with the Fokker and see for yourself how superman can still keep climbing countering any stall and engine torque.

 

Why do I need to prove if you all tested it for yourself and know it won't be that bad? It's the same mechanics as in WT, period. Only FMs differ.

Its actually Nothing Like WT, and to claim that is an out right lie.  This is mouse control not mouse Aim the two are EXTREMELY different. 

[LukeFF]

 

 

There is zero new players in RoF who is using mouse in mp.

 

You don't know that. 

[Cybermat47]

You don't know that.

 

Agreed. I can actually think of a few people it would benefit.

 

Now that I think about it, mouse control means that I could play Rise of Flight with my girlfriend. That would be awesome

Edited November 22, 2015 by Cybermat47

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Its actually Nothing Like WT, and to claim that is an out right lie.  This is mouse control not mouse Aim the two are EXTREMELY different. 

Pls enlighten us poor individuals than with your superiour knowledge if you think they reinvented the wheel.

[Veteran66]

you can put the mouse control on or off on your server, so where your problem with it?

Edited November 22, 2015 by Veteran66

[Livai]

you can put the mouse control on or off on your server, so where your problem with it?

 

Maybe this mouse control thing was never announced from first to last Developer Diary. Was it announced and where,  yes or no? Big Question???

[No601_Swallow]

I think the DDs are a sort of massive entombology experiment. Each week poke the ants nest in different ways and see what sort of frenzied shapes simmers can work themselves up into.

 

Here's yet another DD with undiluted fun and good news, and yet...

[duko]

<~~~~~~Grumpy old man here

 

 

We would also gladly play by ourselves as he have for many years in IL-2 1946. A game that is still active BTW. Talk about grumpy; see your own quote above. Every mouse user I ever met acts just like you. Because you don't want the truth to be made light made light of.

 

What ever they do, it will only turn this into WT all over again. It may as well be a touch screen game after that. Just keep your finger on the plane and shoot. And BTW none of us who are "Grumpy" ever said we hated mouse users. We just hate playing against you and being trolled when we are actually trying to simulate combat. Even in 'Full SIM' mode (back when it was called that in WT) it still made you and instant Ace. Especially if you have the UFO La-7 or I-153.

 

I say to solve this just make mouse only servers. No feature locking just pick a type of server to be run. Sure it will be packed with 10-16yr old's cussing non stop and threatening violence on chat or TS...but hey it's what you are defending right?

 

 

 

P.S. I fixed your quote. And I only have one 23" monitor and an X-52 Pro w/o pedals.

Dude what are u smoking? Pass along

[Cybermat47]

<~~~~~~Grumpy old man here

 

 

We would also gladly play by ourselves as he have for many years in IL-2 1946. A game that is still active BTW. Talk about grumpy; see your own quote above. Every mouse user I ever met acts just like you. Because you don't want the truth to be made light made light of.

 

What ever they do, it will only turn this into WT all over again. It may as well be a touch screen game after that. Just keep your finger on the plane and shoot. And BTW none of us who are "Grumpy" ever said we hated mouse users. We just hate playing against you and being trolled when we are actually trying to simulate combat. Even in 'Full SIM' mode (back when it was called that in WT) it still made you and instant Ace. Especially if you have the UFO La-7 or I-153.

 

I say to solve this just make mouse only servers. No feature locking just pick a type of server to be run. Sure it will be packed with 10-16yr old's cussing non stop and threatening violence on chat or TS...but hey it's what you are defending right?

 

 

 

P.S. I fixed your quote. And I only have one 23" monitor and an X-52 Pro w/o pedals.

Don't worry, I believe new players attracted by mouse controls will be as mature as those already here are. I know several people who are 16 years old or slightly higher, including myself, who play or are interested in flight sims. Trust me, they're nice, easygoing, polite guys who would fit right in here.

 

By the way, the word 'metre' is actually spelt like that in the majority of English speaking countries, but in America it's spelt 'meter' (which does make a bit more sense)

[Feathered_IV]

It's quite normal to see an outburst of chest thumping and expressions of virtual machismo when new or newly-perceived difficulty settings are first introduced.   After a few weeks it will no doubt be forgotten again and life will return to normal.

[LLv24_Zami]

It's quite normal to see an outburst of chest thumping and expressions of virtual machismo when new or newly-perceived difficulty settings are first introduced.   After a few weeks it will no doubt be forgotten again and life will return to normal.

This. 

 

I think there are far more significant features coming with this update than the mouse. Well, just couple more days to it. I am really waiting for a patch. Again  . Few latest patches have been great and I don`t think this one will be any different.

Edited November 22, 2015 by Zami

[Mewt]

Nice update but......... I will not be flying in a server that has 'Mouse Control' activated. This was 50% of the reason I left War Thunder. It give player an unfair advantage in combat. They will always be able to hit you no matter what.

 

Utter nonsense.

 

Mouse control in War Thunder Simulator Battles mode gives no advantage whatsoever. Mouse control is better in Arcade and Realistic Modes, but those modes are not comparable to IL2.

 

In War Thunder Simulator Battles, any player of even average skill with the right equipment (Stick, Headtracking etc) can run rings around any player with Mouse Control.

 

When spotting another player with Mouse Control (you can tell by the way they fly), you smile with glee at the free prey on the table.

 

From the video it looks like the IL2 mouse control system will be similar to War Thunders. 

 

This is a good thing, it removes a huge barrier of entry to the game and will attract more players. IL2 needs all the players it can get.

 

Hopefully these new players enjoy the experience and move on to their first joystick purchase.

 

And like War Thunder, Mouse Control players will be a stepping stone into the game, but not ever a real competitor vs someone with stick + head tracking.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Utter nonsense.

 

Mouse control in War Thunder Simulator Battles mode gives no advantage whatsoever. Mouse control is better in Arcade and Realistic Modes, but those modes are not comparable to IL2.

You are mixing things up. War Thunder uses 2 mouse controll methods: Mouse Aim and Mouse Joystick. Mouse Aim (practicly what will be introduced into BoS) is availabel in AB and RB only while Mouse Joystick (what you referr to) is also allowed in SB.

Hopefully these new players enjoy the experience and move on to their first joystick purchase.

The fewest likely will, but maybe there are some exceptions.

[[TWB]Outlaw-]

The fewest likely will, but maybe there are some exceptions.

I got started with flight sims thanks to warthunder. First used a mouse for arcade, then went to realistic. picked up a logitech to try out sim battles. After a while of that picked up IL2 BOS when it first came out along with CLOD.

 

Now I've got a Warthog with CPPro pedals and Trackir. So I'm living proof the progression line of thinking works.

Edited November 22, 2015 by Outlaw-

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Great to hear that Outlaw, you're welcome.

 

We recruted a good bunch of mouse players back in our WT days and most of them wanted to learn to fly with joysticks in sim battles. They bought one, practised, flown a few sorties with us and nerver came back again. Infact they returned to arcade mouse flying because they missed killing 10+ aircraft per flight with little effort like they used to.

 

As for me I started with MS Combat flight simulator and FS 2004 a decade ago with keyboard and mouse (direct controll). It was a fun mess flying carrier missions like that and I don't expect people to go threw it but still that's how it has been back than and yet it drove me to buy my first stick, practise a lot and eventually becoming a real pilot.

Edited November 22, 2015 by Stab/JG26_5tuka