Macchi Driver Visability

[Felix58]

Greetings,

 

This pertains to many fighter's but in particular the Macchi.  How do you see out of the back of the thing?!

Visibility is a real challenge.  With some aircraft you can slide the canopy back and have a look.  Not so with the Macchi.

The obvious answer is to fly in pairs, but that is not always possible.

Any clues on how to overcome the visibility issue to the rear?

[FuriousMeow]

The Macchi does not have that great of a rear view historically.

 

However, it isn't that incredibly bad. I've flown sims with far worse Mc202 rear ward views.

 

First, is to lean and get the view up against the canopy.

 

Second, is to adjust the default view point so your pilot's in game viewpoint is slightly more forward.

 

I always thought the default view point was slight too far back. It also rotates around the central point of where the view is, rather than rotating a few inches ahead of the central point. Take a camera and rotate it around a stick, the viewpoint only changes slightly. Take a camera, put it on a melon (depending on how big your head<EGO> is HAH!) and mount that melon to a stick and rotate and you'll get a significantly different view.

 

Third, the last statement was just an observation/joke, adjust your FOV so it isn't the fully "zoomed" in but all the way back.

 

Fourth use the combination of the full back FOV, ability to lean, and ability to move your physical view point rear ward and you can adjust to see pretty well behind you.

 

Fifth, SERPENTINE! while in the air. Slowly bank back and forth in the flight path, add a little yaw, whatever.

 

It's not the bad to look behind. The real problem is it is that its up against aircraft i wouldn't be currently on most servers because most servers are putting all aircraft together when they may be have encountered each other but most likely not.

 

And here's a nice colorized Macchi photos that show had damn beautiful they were (are):

(Nick Offerman is apparently a time traveler that flew a Macchi 202 during WWII)

 

And the bigger brother that would have been awesome in large numbers:

Edited November 18, 2015 by FuriousMeow

[Wulf]

Fly curves.  At the end of each curve roll into the opposite bank and start again.

[Cybermat47]

 And here's a nice colorized Macchi photos that show had damn beautiful they were (are):

Colorized Mc 202 and pilot.jpg

(Nick Offerman is apparently a time traveler that flew a Macchi 202 during WWII)

 

And the bigger brother that would have been awesome in large numbers:

Mc205V Colorized.jpg

Italian WWII aircraft are beautiful, looking more art than war machine.

[Finkeren]

For virtually all fighters of the era it's a rule, that you don't check your own six o'clock low, that's simply impractical. That job falls to your wingman.

 

 

However, the cockpit view in the Macchi is atrocious. It's the main reason why it's the one I fly the least of all the planes in the sim.

 

Not saying it's unrealistic though.

Edited November 18, 2015 by Finkeren

[SCG_Tzigy]

agree with all above

 

i also do believe, though that in RL the view was slightly (not much) better....after studying photos, drawings, trying to account for canopy, big italian heads etc.

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i think we should be able to see at least a smidgeon of the tail section/ vstab....when looking back....

 

i posted this in the developer suggestions...will try to gather more data and hopefully one day some pics from the real cockpit...

[No601_Swallow]

 

And the bigger brother that would have been awesome in large numbers:

Mc205V Colorized.jpg

 

We need the Veltro (I've loved 'em since I first saw one in a museum in Milan)!

[gunnernacho]

 

 

And here's a nice colorized Macchi photos that show had damn beautiful they were (are): (Nick Offerman is apparently a time traveler that flew a Macchi 202 during WWII)   And the bigger brother that would have been awesome in large numbers:

 

these look abolutley amazing i must say 

[IRRE_Rolluptito]

What do we loose right now when we fly "canopy-less" with this plane? How much speed? 

 

After hours of flying, I'm tired and jettison the canopy so I have the G50-head-in-the-wind thing. :D

 

It remember me of the G50 on CloD, I like it. 

 

I did some research to know if some macchi's pilots flew without canopy (maybe some old angry G50 pilots or whatever, like the russian pilots who didn't want to let down their IL16 for closed plane, or those who came from WWI plane and didn't want the canopy thing), but I found nothing.

 

Maybe it wasn't that bad in reality. In game, it is really hard to see something...

 

I love that plane though.

Edited November 20, 2015 by rolluptito

[SCG_Tzigy]

What do we loose right now when we fly "canopy-less" with this plane? How much speed? 

 

After hours of flying, I'm tired and jettison the canopy so I have the G50-head-in-the-wind thing. :D

 

It remember me of the G50 on CloD, I like it. 

 

I did some research to know if some macchi's pilots flew without canopy (maybe some old angry G50 pilots or whatever, like the russian pilots who didn't want to let down their IL16 for closed plane, or those who came from WWI plane and didn't want the canopy thing), but I found nothing.

 

Maybe it wasn't that bad in reality. In game, it is really hard to see something...

 

I love that plane though.

 

u only loose 5, maybe 10 km/hr......

 

i occnly "loose" the canopy when jumped/in dire straits....

[Falco_Peregrinus]

First, is to lean and get the view up against the canopy.

 

Second, is to adjust the default view point so your pilot's in game viewpoint is slightly more forward.

 

Fourth use the combination of the full back FOV, ability to lean, and ability to move your physical view point rear ward and you can adjust to see pretty well behind you.

 

This.   

 

 

 

After moving the head somehow closer to the gunsight, I find the visibility rather quite good in all 360° (ok, about 300°, let's be honest...)

 

I don't find it too bad really. But this only happened once my virtual head had its standard location further ahead than from the standard position it it set , like here.

 

 

 

Some 1-minute historical facts about the topic: Macchi + visibility.

 

When it first appeared in 1937, the Macchi C.200 possessed a good feature for a fighter of that era: a very good visibility, achieved thanks to a fully enclosed cockpit with a large rear windowed section.

This was it.

 

Problems with the perspex deteriorating quickly (and becoming "sandy"), the difficulties in opening the rear-sliding front section of the cockpit (similar to what the Hurricane had), the rather modest space given to the pilot and, more importantly, the reluctancy of italian pilots of flying in enclosed cockpit (since no radios were installed), led Macchi engineers to radically change the cockpit and make it open.

Some say the Chief Engineer Mario Castoldi was not very happy about all this. ( he was not at all happy, actually by a good margin, also about the radial engine installed in his fighter too..)

 

Later on, when the C.202 appeared, the prototipe had rear glass winwdows on its sides, similar to what the P40 had.

Like this: 

 

It appears the rear-visibility with this arrangement was not sufficient enough, and then all production 202 had the typical almost F.1-esque fin behind the pilot's head with the two openings.

Edited November 20, 2015 by Ioshic

[Sokol1]

Funny related thread (rear visibility, not the Macchi):

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/2972-obzor-iz-kabiny-v-bzs/page-1?do=findComment&comment=296435

http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/uploads/monthly_11_2015/post-8261-0-53374900-1447162563.jpg

 

Edited November 22, 2015 by Sokol1

[I./JG2_Sekij]

Mhhh in an Diffrent Game it was on of my Favorit planes because of the view you had. . .

[indiaciki]

I have flown maybe 2-3 times. She' s great. I really think that all the BOM aircaft are even better than the BOS ones. Great work.