Best Dogfighting Plane in BoS

[Brimstone]

Hello,

I've though that the F-4 is the best, though I've also wondered about the La-5.  Out of all fighters, which one is the best for turn-fighting?  I do not have the FW or La, though if one of them turns the best then maybe I'll pick it up, since turning is more my style.

Thanks in advance

[Asgar]

just because a plane turns the best doesn't mean it's the most maneuverable. you should remember that

[NobbyNobbs]

IMO Yak-1 and F-4 are the best planes for having fun in dogfight.

 

As for La. Ingame plane is an early type of La-5, it's heavy airplane with 5 minutes of good speed at sea level, but enough difficult for maneuver and energy fight. 

[Brimstone]

just because a plane turns the best doesn't mean it's the most maneuverable. you should remember that

Then which is the most maneuverable?

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

If you prefer a more horizontal fighting style (for the lack of better wording) I would suggest the Yak-1 for good all-around performance and strong turning characteristics. If you're in for really crazy bastardly fighting you can venture in the I-16 but beware, it's one handful of a plane if you don't have it under control, and its top speed is really low. Other than that it has excellent acceleration, good armament and turns well too, but it is severely outclassed by most 109s and the 190 too.

 

At this point though most aircraft available in BoS/BoM have decent performance. The Lavochkins are heavy but stable and fast, they bleed speed in continuous turns though. The 109 holds its ground well and can accelerate like a missile, in addition to the slats which give you great low speed performance and all that.

 

Victory will ultimately come from a combination of factors related to the engagement's setting, aircraft performance in those terms and more than anything pilot expertise.

[Trinkof]

The 109 E7 or I16, ou turn everything else.... 109 e7 climb and dive well also... And make yak flapser's stall which is a joy!

 

Because yes, unless someone else noticed the E7 out turn a yak with flaps at all speed (with intense stabilizer using)

Edited November 6, 2015 by LAL_Trinkof

[Brimstone]

If you prefer a more horizontal fighting style (for the lack of better wording) I would suggest the Yak-1 for good all-around performance and strong turning characteristics. If you're in for really crazy bastardly fighting you can venture in the I-16 but beware, it's one handful of a plane if you don't have it under control, and its top speed is really low. Other than that it has excellent acceleration, good armament and turns well too, but it is severely outclassed by most 109s and the 190 too.

 

At this point though most aircraft available in BoS/BoM have decent performance. The Lavochkins are heavy but stable and fast, they bleed speed in continuous turns though. The 109 holds its ground well and can accelerate like a missile, in addition to the slats which give you great low speed performance and all that.

 

Victory will ultimately come from a combination of factors related to the engagement's setting, aircraft performance in those terms and more than anything pilot expertise.

 

 

The 109 E7 or I16, ou turn everything else.... 109 e7 climb and dive well also... And make yak flapser's stall which is a joy!

 

Because yes, unless someone else noticed the E7 out turn a yak with flaps at all speed (with intense stabilizer using)

Thank you both.  Though I also asked about BoS, because I do not have BoM.  I really wish I did, but I don't

Edited November 6, 2015 by VinylFlyer

[Finkeren]

To me having fun with a dogfight is really more about having a good matchup of planes rather than one plane type always being "the best".

 

There is no doubt in my mind, that for a pure dogfight scenario, there's just no denying that the Bf 109F4 is the superior machine, mainly because in addition to being really agile and having a very good sustained turn it also has a great surplus of power and climbs like a rocketship, meaning you can easily turn around a disadvantage and can easily get on top to dictate the fight. The F4 really only has one major drawback and that's the less-than-ideal visibility from the cockpit.

 

The Yak-1 and Bf 109G2 are close behind and about equal betweeen them, each having their strengths and weaknesses.

 

The rest of the planes all have their merits and are all a lot of fun in their own right, but as pure dogfighters the three beforementioned are the best in BoS.

 

But, as I said: Having fun is all about the right matchup. The best fight to be had in BoS is actually Fw 190A3 vs. La-5. Both machines require a much more careful and deliberate approach and they just supplement each other extremely well.

 

I know you don't have BoM, but really: Get it as soon as you can! When it comes to dogfights, there's gonna be a ton of fun to be had. Overall the planes are slower (which actually makes dogfights more fun), more agile and they all have such tremendous character to them. Even the P-40E, which by any standard is a horrible dogfighter, just brings a smile to your face. The Bf 109E7 is amazingly agile and surprisingly deadly against even the Yak-1. The I-16 is just amazing, despite having an extremely low top speed. It's actually the most powerful fighter in the entire sim (its power/weight ratio dwarfs even the Bf 109s), climbs really well and can  do the most amazing maneuvers that will get you killed in the heavier planes. The only plane that doesn't really do it for me in BoM is the MC.202, sure it's beautiful, but besides being a tiny bit faster, it really holds no advantage over the Bf 109E7 and it has downright horrible visibility from the cockpit, I just don't think I'll ever fell at home in it.

[BeastyBaiter]

Highest sustained turn rate: I-16 (BoM), Yak-1 (ignoring I-16)

Most maneuverable overall (turn, roll and acceleration to keep it going): Bf-109F4

[Finkeren]

Most maneuverable overall (turn, roll and acceleration to keep it going): Bf-109F4

 

Here you're also ignoring the I-16 I presume? The Ishak has a better initial acceleration than the F4.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

 

^{I'm not a turn fighter and only fly for the Axis but I will tell you I tend to give Yak's a bit more respect than the La5's. A good pilot in an La5 is lethal but the Yak makes an average pilot look pretty good most of the time. It dives and accelerates well while also having excellent turning rates. It takes a well versed LaGG pilot to have any significant success with that AC but it can be done. You just have to be really aware of that planes strengths and weaknesses to do well with it. I don’t have much experience with the I16 except against it. It is dangerous in tight but easily outdone if the Axis pilot doesn’t get lulled into a slow fight with it. The I16 is only hard to kill because it is a waterbug. If you keep your speed and wits about you it is about as dangerous as a waterbug too.}

 

^{On the other side, the F4 is the best all-a-rounder but you have to manage your engine a bit to avoid cooking it. I fly the G2 because I'm a bit lazy for that but you have to manage speed and altitude instead of the engine. The G2 is not as good on the deck as the F4. The Fw is best at slashing attacks and BNZ though my mates have noticed it does well against the La5 in a slow scissors fight with the combat flaps out. I am having moderate success with that tactic. Don’t follow the allied birds through more than 360 degrees before taking it vertical and setting up again.}

 

^{All in all you can find success with any of the aircraft in BOS/BOM but you have to know some of them intimately to be able to do it. The pilot makes all the difference regardless of type. In short, take the Yak or the F4 if you are only looking for results. Become deeply familiar in the other types and you can have similar success.}

 

^{(Sorry about the font size. The interface is causing a bunch of format errors for me ATM.)}

Edited November 6, 2015 by [LBS]HerrMurf

[Brimstone]

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Thank you both.  I'd love to get BoM, if I do the first thing I fly will be the P-40E.    Which plane in BoS (single seat) do you think is the hardest to effectively fly?

Edited November 6, 2015 by VinylFlyer

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Your post seem to indicate you want to turn and burn. With that in mind, the Fw is deceptively hard to fly well because it has some quirks you won't notice until it kills you. The LaGG is the worst performer for the Allies in terms of turn fighting as soon as you have bled off your initial speed against an well flown Axis AC.

[Cybermat47]

Here you're also ignoring the I-16 I presume? The Ishak has a better initial acceleration than the F4.

The Rata is probably a better turner than the Freidrich, but the I-16 is a BoM plane, and this thread is about BoS

[Brimstone]

 

Your post seem to indicate you want to turn and burn. With that in mind, the Fw is deceptively hard to fly well because it has some quirks you won't notice until it kills you. The LaGG is the worst performer for the Allies in terms of turn fighting as soon as you have bled off your initial speed against an well flown Axis AC.

 

It was, the last question was just a side question.  Thanks

[Finkeren]

Thank you both. I'd love to get BoM, if I do the first thing I fly will be the P-40E. Which plane in BoS (single seat) do you think is the hardest to effectively fly?

The hardest when it comes to flying it to its strengths has got to be the Fw 190. It's not at all a bad fighter, far from it, but we sim pilots tend to yank the stick and always want to fly our planes to the limit in every situation. The Fw 190 does not like that.

 

The LaGG-3 is by far the most inferior fighter in BoS, but it's overall easier to get the most out of compared to the Fw 190, though you have to be sort of a tactical genious to really use it succesfully.

[johncage]

i prefer the pe-2 using boom and zoom. aiming for enemy cockpit since the guns are weak.

[Falco_Peregrinus]

Having recently bought the La-5 and Fw190 I would say:

 

The 109F and G.. I don't know, I don't find them so manoeuvrable. They are "nimble" but not manoevrauble.
Yak 1 is very manoeuvrable and can turn very well.
Fw 190 is a fast truck with a powerful engine.

The 202 can turn very well and it can turn with the Yak 1 with a little of flaps. It's very agile and manoeuvrable.

I still don't know well the E-7, but it should turn well and I just love it and its looks.
LaGG 3 is a black van with a decent-powered engine and guns sticking out in the back, a-la "A-Team".
La-5 is better than the 190 but still somewhat similar.
P40 is enjoyable to fly as a plane, it is quite agile, but underpowered and gets stuck on its weight fast.

As a pure turner fan (the tactic not the painter), you can never go wrong with the I-16.

Small, agile and lots of power in a minimalistic airframe.
As other said it's easy to get it into a nasty spin, but flown to its limit it's a gem.

It is probably my favourite plane in the game.

Edited November 7, 2015 by Ioshic

[Wulf]

i prefer the pe-2 using boom and zoom. aiming for enemy cockpit since the guns are weak.

 

 

Sounds like a plan.