Problems taking off in FW-190 on dirt runways

[lennycutler]

I can't seem to get taking off in the FW-190 on dirt runways, without most often crashing.

 

I set the flap;s to take off postion.  I lock the wheel brakes with the stick in the aft postion.

 

I apply power evenly to full power, use the rudders to stay centered...then I center the stick at around 150 - 170 kph....but I don't seem to get enough lift....and the left wing tends to dip when I am off the ground...then I lose control.

 

I don't have tihis problem on concrete runways.

 

Do we now have to set the trim to get this right?

 

What am I missing here?

[SharpeXB]

It's harder to take off in the warmer weather. Just get more airspeed going.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

I think u might be keeping the stick back and hence the tail on the ground for far too long. I would suggest releasing the stick around 100 hence getting the tail off the ground a lot quick hopefully reducing the take off roll. Heck I can take off if I'm careful with no back stick and get the tail up very quick

[Wulf]

I suspect Aero is right.

 

So, start her up (I don't bother with flaps on takeoff unless I'm carrying heavy ordinance).  Pull the stick hard to the rear to lock the tail-wheel, push the throttle fully forward.  At the point where you have some rudder authority ease the stick to a neutral position (maybe 5 seconds after you commence your takeoff run - certainly no more than that) and then ease her off the deck around 200 km/h.  As Aero alluded, if you hold the stick back too long you'll stall her and she'll roll left or right into the deck.

Edited November 5, 2015 by Wulf

[SR-F_Winger]

I keep the stick pulled until i reach 150 km/h. then slightly pull and raise tail, then at 220 lift off. Dont pull too hard. Its a fatty:)

[lennycutler]

I seem to do better now, by bringing the trottle up to full power with the breaks on, with right rudder and then putting the stick in neutral around 150 to 170 kph...with bombs.

 

I will try it without flaps when no bomb load in use.

 

Certainly harder to take off with the FW-190 than other German Fighters.

[Jupp]

~S~LennyCutler,

 

Also, alternatively, try taking off from opposite the direction that you have been trying.

 

Wind, may be at play here, depending on mission, and is why windsocks came about.

 

 

I noticed that AI could not take off from some airfields (even with 0 wind) until I did this to them.

 

Most airfields are laid out a certain way, according to their surroundings, not arbitrarily.

 

The same goes for landing approaches, if the AI keep hitting trees... you're landing them in the wrong direction.

 

 

Good Hunting,

 

!S -Jupp-

[Wulf]

I seem to do better now, by bringing the trottle up to full power with the breaks on, with right rudder and then putting the stick in neutral around 150 to 170 kph...with bombs.

 

I will try it without flaps when no bomb load in use.

 

Certainly harder to take off with the FW-190 than other German Fighters.

 

 

I wouldn't worry too much about running her up while standing on the brakes but otherwise sounds like you've got it.

 

And remember.  Only the hardest of the hard fly the 190.  So ...ride her hard, put her away wet.  That's the story m8.....

 

And she isn't fat...that's a lie!!!! 

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I regularly take off with the SC 500 strapped underneath without deploying flaps regardless of the season. It just takes a longer takeoff run. In a clean configuration, hold the tail down til about 100 kph as has been suggested, then let the tail raise with a neutral stick til around 200. Pull back gently and she should lift away no problems but will wallow a bit if you are bombed up. Don't force the tail down longer than necessary. Also, it requires 1/4 to 1/3 of the rudder a 109 needs to keep her straight. You can use flaps if you want but I find them unnecessary for takeoffs regardless of load.

Edited November 5, 2015 by [LBS]HerrMurf

[senseispcc]

I had the same problem with the la5 but by putting the engine at full power immediately at the start of the take off my problems did disappear, maybe it is the same for the Fw-190-A3?  

 

[Sokol1]

To avoid left wing drops apply aileron for right - but carefully or the right wing drops. 

[andyw248]

While dashing down the runway the amount of rudder will change. In the Fw190, I will have to apply quite a bit of right rudder at the beginning of the takeoff roll. As speed increases and the tail goes up, there will be less right rudder required. At liftoff the amount of right rudder is actually quite small.

 

A good way of learning is to record your takeoff. You can then watch your recording and pay attention to the slip indicator (the ball). It should be centered when the aircraft lifts off. If it's hanging in the left corner then you did not reduce rudder properly.

[Willy__]

If you are having problems taking off with bombs, you can do the good old trick: Align with the runaway, stick back, brakes on, flaps up. Full power, brakes off, you center the stick at 150km/h, lift-off at 200. You can deploy the flaps after you gather the necessary speed, which would be around 150-200 range, this will help to shorten the take off.

Edited November 6, 2015 by istruba