More IL2's

[spud3030]

G'day fellas,

 

really starting to get into this, 'specially the WOL server. Thanks WOL!

Just wondering when we can look forward to some more IL2 variants?

It is my favorite kite in this game and am just wondering where a M or 

type 3 fit in ?

 

Thanks 

 

spud

 

[Dakpilot]

http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-camo/il-2-evolutiontable.htm

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Useful table showing evolution of IL-2 and years of introduction

 

there will be the earlier IL-2 with BoM

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Finkeren]

For the IL-2M you'll have to wait. Propably, the next in the series will be either Kursk or Kuban anno 1943, so the M is a sure candidate there.

[MigSu]

For the IL-2M you'll have to wait. Propably, the next in the series will be either Kursk or Kuban anno 1943, so the M is a sure candidate there.

 The next?? is that confirmed?

 

Thanks

[Finkeren]

The next?? is that confirmed?

 

Thanks

Nope. Nothing confirmed. It's pure speculation, and the devs themselves have said, that while there will almost certainly be more titles after BoM, they haven't made up their minds in what to do next and will only make a final decission after BoM is done.

 

To me Kursk seems a likely candidate, both because of name recognition, iconic plane set and the fact that drivable tanks are coming.

[MigSu]

Nice, i think they can do a lot of scenarios more, i was thinking about, you know something like

 

Kursk-1943,

 

Normandy-1944 just for adding some USA/British planes (and will be very good for expanding the market)

 

Maybe also Pacific Battle-1943/44 (adding jappanes ones and P-63 Kin Cobra like special from URSS, could be) 

 

 And the diamond of the crown, Berlin-1945, the last of each bands 

 

 

What do you think?

[Y-29.Silky]

 

What do you think?

I 100% agree but let's end this topic before it starts another war on the forums 

[ShamrockOneFive]

Nice, i think they can do a lot of scenarios more, i was thinking about, you know something like

 

Kursk-1943,

 

Normandy-1944 just for adding some USA/British planes (and will be very good for expanding the market)

 

Maybe also Pacific Battle-1943/44 (adding jappanes ones and P-63 Kin Cobra like special from URSS, could be) 

 

 And the diamond of the crown, Berlin-1945, the last of each bands 

 

 

What do you think?

 

I'm going to make a guess that it will be Kursk and then Berlin. If we go by established pattern... the "big moments" that are most well known in history. Moscow, Stalingrad, Kursk and Berlin. I'm guessing that we'll be staying on the East Front for a while yet which I'm ok with and I think the front worst best in simulations like this. But I can also see the team going on to the West or the Pacific too. North Africa, Italy, Normandy and the Ardennes battles are the key ones in the West and Med unless we talk about the bomber offensives of 1943.

 

This is purely my own speculation.

 

Back to the OP... I'm sure we'll be seeing more IL-2 models. The one coming in Moscow is not too different than what we already have. Getting the IL-2M or Type 3 will have to wait for Kursk and/or Berlin.

[Trooper117]

Libya, North Africa... keep saying that mantra... Libya, North Africa... maybe it will get into the dev's heads too... Libya, North Africa... I mean, the plane set is already heading in that direction anyway... Libya, North Africa...

[Yogiflight]

I would like something in 1944 on eastern front like Smolensk, with Tu 2S as russian and maybe Do 217 as german bomber. Also the fighters at that time are very interesting. Or Kuban with the mountains in the south would also be nice.

[spud3030]

No worries , the "Battle of Kursk" I will look forward to that one for my "wing with arrow", by the way I am 

really liking the Rata as a divebomber ! 

 

seeyas 

 

spud

[Dakpilot]

Well from the title of the thread, i would prefer to see the IL-2 M make its debut at (BoK) Battle of Kuban

 

https://redskyblackdeath.wordpress.com/the-shturmovik/

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There are many reasons for this theatre having more value than Kursk, much more important and larger Airwar, spread over a longer period, there are no scenarios in Kursk that would also not have take place over Kuban

 

Much more diverse (and more interesting/attractive) Map, and possibility for missions gameplay, introduction of sought after allied/lend lease A/C - P39 -Spitfire MkV -A-20 -Yak-9 La-5F Il-2M and variants and a few Good Luftwaffe A/C as well Fw190 A4(5) - Bf109G4/6 - HS129 -Ju 52/3ms Floatplane - Do217 - Etc.

 

As the Battle follows Stalingrad in timescale a lot of that aircraft set are relevant to BoK as well,  it is also sneakily building up a western desert Planeset for an ease into that theatre later

[Finkeren]

No worries , the "Battle of Kursk" I will look forward to that one for my "wing with arrow", by the way I am

really liking the Rata as a divebomber !

 

seeyas

 

spud

The arrow winged version of the IL-2M didn't fly at Kursk. It was test flown in October and put into production shortly thereafter, so the earliest date for arrow wings (which had no official designation and served alongside older models btw) in combat would be December 1943.

[TheElf]

Nope. Nothing confirmed. It's pure speculation, and the devs themselves have said, that while there will almost certainly be more titles after BoM, they haven't made up their minds in what to do next and will only make a final decission after BoM is done.

 

To me Kursk seems a likely candidate, both because of name recognition, iconic plane set and the fact that drivable tanks are coming.

Kursk makes the most sense as opening a front that includes the vast theaters of the Pacific and European fronts would draw too many westerners to the game, and be too lucrative. What we need is more Yak and 109 variants.

 

It would just be too smart a business decision NOT to do Kursk...

Edited November 7, 2015 by TheElf

[Trooper117]

lol!

[Y-29.Silky]

Kursk makes the most sense as opening a front that includes the vast theaters of the Pacific and European fronts would draw too many westerners to the game, and be too lucrative. What we need is more Yak and 109 variants.

 

[7.GShAP/Silas]

Yeah, I'd much rather have a theatre of the war where everything was already functionally over and lopsidedly inevitable.  Then I could enjoy my 10K metre fighter duels and city-smasher bombers in peace!

 

 

I've wanted a depiction of the war in southern Sovjet Union/Caucasus for a long time, looks like I might get my wish. A truly desperate struggle for both sides.

 

Of course, the IL-2M is one of my favorite aircraft. It's been a long time since I've flown one in a sim!

Edited November 7, 2015 by Silas

[TheElf]

Yeah, I'd much rather have a theatre of the war where everything was already functionally over and lopsidedly inevitable. Then I could enjoy my 10K metre fighter duels and city-smasher bombers in peace!

 

 

I've wanted a depiction of the war in southern Sovjet Union/Caucasus for a long time, looks like I might get my wish. A truly desperate struggle for both sides.

 

Of course, the IL-2M is one of my favorite aircraft. It's been a long time since I've flown one in a sim!

[TheElf]

You must have been absent from the flight sim community for the last 13 years, where a little sim called IL-2 STURMOVIK 1946 dominated the genre, you should look into it. It only won every award, set the standard for combat flight sims, and the best part; depicted the Soviet war on all fronts.

 

I played that sim since it came out in '02. One of its STRENGTHS was that it DIDN'T focus exclusively on the war in the east.

[MigSu]

 One of its STRENGTHS was that it DIDN'T focus exclusively on the war in the east.

 

 That is the key of mass selling sim, variety (i think) Because all around the world can take just what they want, and all happy.

  But, this one is very new, let's be patient and wait for what comes.

 

 regards

Edited November 7, 2015 by MigSu

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

It took the Il-2 a good few years to move away from the Eastern Front, and it never really had a proper Western Front besides a Normandy Map, Norway and a Western Germany tiny map if memory doesn't fail me. MTO was also never properly realised until Team Daidalos came along and so on, and for legal reasons they never really had a flyable American torpedo bomber for the Pacific.

 

So really, how much did it cater for scenarios other than the Eastern front without mods? It had DOZENS of E. Europe maps though.

[Finkeren]

That is the key of mass selling sim, variety (i think) Because all around the world can take just what they want, and all happy.

But, this one is very new, let's be patient and wait for what comes.

 

regards

Funny how we look differently at the term "variety".

 

To me a sim that covers several different theatres with only 1-2 maps and 5-10 planes fit for each theater offers much less variety than a sim than focuses solely on one theater but offers many different maps and several dozen flyable aircraft for each side.

 

That's why I think, that IL-2 Forgotten Battles offers the greatest variety of any WW2 combat flight sim to date. Even though it only focused on the Eastern Front 1941-45, it covered almost all major aspect and close to all the important aircraft types of that war. It offered huge variety because you could fly any role you wanted (with the exception of recon) and fought against a broad range of aircraft from several different air forces.

The fact alone that you could potentially fly the same pilot through the entire war, witness the turn of the tides of war and follow the evolution if the different aircraft types as they struggled through their arms race.

 

That, to me, is variety.

[MigSu]

Funny how we look differently at the term "variety".

 

To me a sim that covers several different theatres with only 1-2 maps and 5-10 planes fit for each theater offers much less variety than a sim than focuses solely on one theater but offers many different maps and several dozen flyable aircraft for each side.

 

That's why I think, that IL-2 Forgotten Battles offers the greatest variety of any WW2 combat flight sim to date. Even though it only focused on the Eastern Front 1941-45, it covered almost all major aspect and close to all the important aircraft types of that war. It offered huge variety because you could fly any role you wanted (with the exception of recon) and fought against a broad range of aircraft from several different air forces.

The fact alone that you could potentially fly the same pilot through the entire war, witness the turn of the tides of war and follow the evolution if the different aircraft types as they struggled through their arms race.

 

That, to me, is variety.

 Man, for mee, i will tell you the true, i love eastern front, and about the maps, for me any map, any season is ok (of course i like with rivers, mountains etc just for nice view bla bla) But for me when more planes (russian for me) we have better, and, sure, i mentioned that because there are a community around the world loving german planes, another likes russian ones, but there also are a big part that love just British and Americans one, you know, and others japos, not for me i am happy with russian lol. That what i mean with variety, the scenario is just for the planes, because in east front were est planes, and sure in west there were western planes.   That is what i mean. Like user, i see that.

 

 And looking this in a more global, and business aspect, i mean, like a product, (what it is) when you attack all the market, you will do it, you know, will be more popular product (not forgetting the good quality that we have now)

 

 But anyway, the companies want to sell, and we want "variety" 

Edited November 8, 2015 by MigSu

[Cybermat47]

I'd rather like to see that torpedo carrying IL-2.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Wasn't that actually just a field mod by the KBF/SF in the North, using some late mark Il-2? The Il-2T was never a production model I think.

 

The Il-4 was the main torpedo ride, together with the A-20 if memory serves right. North map, Il-4 instead of Pe-2, Airacobras and Lavochkons, Finnish shenanigans... Nearly went off topic right there.

[TheElf]

Funny how we look differently at the term "variety".

 

To me a sim that covers several different theatres with only 1-2 maps and 5-10 planes fit for each theater offers much less variety than a sim than focuses solely on one theater but offers many different maps and several dozen flyable aircraft for each side.

 

That's why I think, that IL-2 Forgotten Battles offers the greatest variety of any WW2 combat flight sim to date. Even though it only focused on the Eastern Front 1941-45, it covered almost all major aspect and close to all the important aircraft types of that war. It offered huge variety because you could fly any role you wanted (with the exception of recon) and fought against a broad range of aircraft from several different air forces.

The fact alone that you could potentially fly the same pilot through the entire war, witness the turn of the tides of war and follow the evolution if the different aircraft types as they struggled through their arms race.

 

That, to me, is variety.

 

I'd like to see more maps and all the planes that go on to complete the war on the Eastern Front too.  As a WWII Aviation enthusiast I appreciate everything that WWII produced in terms of aircraft design and the many theaters that it encompassed.  I think what you are describing is absolutely possible and will be done.  The disagreement at hand, and that is all it really is, a difference of opinion, is when should it be done.  For the IL-2 franchise as we know it now to be successful, they have to make money.  They made money on BoS.  BoM needs to be as successful as BoS for us to continue to see development.  It is a pretty well known fact that the current state of the title does not appeal to average American, Brit, or most westerners for that matter.  Just look at the failed attempts to build an online community in the States.  I hear it all the time from mates who flew the old IL-2  "No thanks.  Give me a shout when they pay attention to the rest of the World War..."

 

The best way to continue to be successful is to expand the number of fronts that IL-2 provides and add aircraft that appeal to a broader audience.  Unfortunately the average westerner isn't interested in the Eastern Front.  It's a shame really, because it has so much to offer.  I personally love it as much as any other, but I am one of the few exceptions on this side of the pond.

 

If IL-2 was a 6 cylinder engine and each front or theater was a separate cylinder then the variety you are describing here Finkeren is akin to a motor trying to run on one cylinder.    

 

The Battle of Kursk brings very little new content to the Franchise.  Next Variant of Yak, next Variant 109, next Variant La-5, Next Variant Stuka, next variant of IL-2.  Throw in a couple premium planes and some lend lease and that's it.  The maps?...guess what?  They'll look the same...They could crap out new variants of these planes using the current models with modest tweaks.

 

In the time it takes to develop whatever the third installment I bet you start to hear something like this "man I can't wait to see sand (or Coral), I am so tired of endless steppe..."  You watch.  More 109s, More Yaks...is not what this Title needs next.   Eventually, absolutely, but the clock is ticking in the consumers mind.  Something big and different and game changing has to come next to capitalize on the current positive momentum or the title will wither in popularity. 

[Finkeren]

Something big and different like... drivable tanks?

[LukeFF]

 

 

Wasn't that actually just a field mod by the KBF/SF in the North, using some late mark Il-2? The Il-2T was never a production model I think.

 

Black Sea Fleet 

[TheElf]

Something big and different like... drivable tanks?

 

yeah that'll do it.  LOL.