Wings of Liberty removed FW?

[System87]

Anyone know the reason why they removed the FW from 80% of the missions on WOL?

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Moving toward historical accuracy? Did the server notes change too?

[Feathered_IV]

Perhaps because no Fw's served around Stalingrad during the summer and autumn?

[System87]

That and the few times the 190 is available, theres that bs cloud layer throughout the entire map at 500m, every - single - time.

 

 

I only say one thing: its russia my frien.... I mean, tovarich!  Lets all drink vodka and forget about the bias...

 

 

 

Well, maybe its historical that we have 800m cloud layer covering 70% of map     

[Sokol1]

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/17300-wings-liberty-subject-questions-and-offers/page-4?do=findComment&comment=297515

[Asgar]

weird...i came to believe the Yak one was only available in small numbers in Stalingrad...so maybe they shouldn't make up 99% of the VVS forces than

[FuriousMeow]

Maybe you could try different servers?

 

EDIT: And how is 80% even arrived at? I see the 190 on most missions. Sometimes they are on the locked airfields, which if you want to participate as a team maybe you should unlock them?

Edited November 4, 2015 by FuriousMeow

[FuriousMeow]

 Lets all drink vodka and forget about the bias...

 

Let's all change graphics settings so we can see better than should be possible.

 

Seriously, it's a player run server. The "bias" is the server operators. And this "Soviet bias" is ludicrously silly.

 

Funny how every single WWII air combat sim has non-German bias.

 

Note - not non-Axis bias. Just German.

[Feathered_IV]

Funny how every single WWII air combat sim has non-German bias.

 

Note - not non-Axis bias. Just German.

I did warn the devs back when the 190 was first announced that it would be a huge mistake to include it in the game. Any revenue earned by its sale would be outweighed by the bad press that it would inevitably and continually attract from career complainers.

 

After nearly 15 years of closely watched flight sims, it's one of the reasons I'd really welcome a return to the Pacific theatre.

[Wulf]

Perhaps because no Fw's served around Stalingrad during the summer and autumn?

 

 

Well, their server their rules I guess but please, spare us the total 'BS' about historical accuracy.  When they decide to ditch the radar navigation and TS on the Russian aircraft  then perhaps the 'historical accuracy' argument could be rolled out again for another look but until then it's just laughable.

 

This is, after all, just a game. Given the limited nature of the player base, introducing restrictions on aircraft types at this point seems crazy. And frankly, I think all these fantasists who think they're somehow accurately representing WW 2 air combat need to grow up and either lay off the medication for a bit or alternatively, sharply increase the dose.  

[7.GShAP/Silas]

I've seen 190's on most missions on WoL in the past few days. Enough that if an airfield only offers the 190 and the He-111, it'll still be at least tied for most used airfield(no mystery which one people are taking of course) .

 

 

Many weapons loadouts are restricted as well. For instance, bombs are typically unavailable on most fighters, and only rockets of a certain size can be loaded on the IL-2.

I assume this is either for historical accuracy, gameplay balance(if all fighters could take bombs, even fewer players would use the proper ground-attack aircraft) or both. Either way it seems very sensible.

Edited November 4, 2015 by Silas

[Feathered_IV]

Well, their server their rules I guess but please, spare us the total 'BS' about historical accuracy. When they decide to ditch the radar navigation and TS on the Russian aircraft then perhaps the 'historical accuracy' argument could be rolled out again for another look but until then it's just laughable.

 

Removing Teamspeak for the red side would be interesting for gameplay. Though I can't imagine how it could be enforced. Definitely with you on the GPS however. If love to see that removed.

[Dakpilot]

Personally i think it would have been nice to have the Yak1b and Yak 9 that were historically at Stalingrad, this would at least stop the giraffe neck arguments until the issue is sorted out

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[II./JG77_Manu*]

Personally i think it would have been nice to have the Yak1b 

 

Even if it doesn't look like, you got it in, at least performance-wise

[Feathered_IV]

The 1b is the looker of the family. My interest in aircraft is often more aesthetic than technical, so it would be a very welcome addition.

[Wulf]

Even if it doesn't look like, you got it in, at least performance-wise

 

[Dakpilot]

Why is that funny?, it's not exactly historically inacurate as a late model razorback

 

Love to see the 'outcry' if the historical Yak 1b  with its better visibility and Yak 9 with better performance and vis had been included.

 

read up on the 1942/43 Yak 9 I think you would be surprised

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Trooper117]

Not sure on the soviet use of radios in their early war aircraft, but if memory serves me right, even when units did have radios installed, only the commanders could send and receive... all the others could only receive, does that sound right?

[Trinkof]

Not sure on the soviet use of radios in their early war aircraft, but if memory serves me right, even when units did have radios installed, only the commanders could send and receive... all the others could only receive, does that sound right?

That's it

[Feathered_IV]

Was that throughout the war or just in the early part?  Did it also apply to Guard units, or just the rank and file?

[Maxyman]

weird...i came to believe the Yak one was only available in small numbers in Stalingrad...so maybe they shouldn't make up 99% of the VVS forces than

Yak-1, 1b, 7, 7b, 9 were deployed at Stalingrad unlike Fw190.

[Trinkof]

Yak-1, 1b, 7, 7b, 9 were deployed at Stalingrad unlike Fw190.

... And luckily for the blue team, only the worst of it is a viable in-game

Was that throughout the war or just in the early part? Did it also apply to Guard units, or just the rank and file?

Guard units also ( source is the books black cross red star)

 

As for the duration of this situation I don't know, I am currently reading those great books, and in mid, late 42, it was still like this apparently... I ll tell you more after further reading

[REDFOX-WL-GAGARIN]

On 15 cards is Fw190 on 5 isn't present. Help to count 80%

[III./JG1_Loch]

...

 

As for the duration of this situation I don't know, I am currently reading those great books, and in mid, late 42, it was still like this apparently... I ll tell you more after further reading

 

I think N.M.Skomorochov wrote in his book they get send/receive radio in non-leader planes through year 1943

[Trinkof]

I think N.M.Skomorochov wrote in his book they get send/receive radio in non-leader planes through year 1943

Thanks for the Intel!

[II./JG77_Manu*]

Why is that funny?, it's not exactly historically inacurate as a late model razorback

 

Love to see the 'outcry' if the historical Yak 1b  with its better visibility and Yak 9 with better performance and vis had been included.

 

read up on the 1942/43 Yak 9 I think you would be surprised

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

Don't know about an "outcry" if the planes get even. I personally can't wait for the next scenario (hopefully Kuban or Crimea) with a balanced plane setup. 190 against La5FN, G6 against Yak9D..those are the duels i want(ed) to see in the first place. Can't wait for it

[303_Kwiatek]

Why is that funny?, it's not exactly historically inacurate as a late model razorback

 

Love to see the 'outcry' if the historical Yak 1b  with its better visibility and Yak 9 with better performance and vis had been included.

 

read up on the 1942/43 Yak 9 I think you would be surprised

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

Well i have anything against but firstly i would like to see realistic and historical performance and flight charactersitic existed planes in BOS.

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

Well i have anything against but firstly i would like to see realistic and historical performance and flight charactersitic existed planes in BOS.

how many internet names do you have, lol

[Brano]

Not sure on the soviet use of radios in their early war aircraft, but if memory serves me right, even when units did have radios installed, only the commanders could send and receive... all the others could only receive, does that sound right?

For Yak-1

From 20.8.1942 all production a/c had receiver RSI-4 Malyutka and every 5th a/c had also transmitter RSI-3 Orel.

From 1.10.1942 every second a/c had receiver and transmitter = para leaders

[Dave]

Not sure on the soviet use of radios in their early war aircraft, but if memory serves me right, even when units did have radios installed, only the commanders could send and receive... all the others could only receive, does that sound right?

That is correct. And the failure rate of the early radios was so high, apparently it was often removed to save weight. But ... TBH radio communication by VVS players on WoL is pretty lacking as it is. And while radio definitely revolutionised air combat, its absence could be mitigated by preflight training and coordination. Good pilots don't need to be told what to do by their element lead.

[SR-F_Winger]

Well, their server their rules I guess but please, spare us the total 'BS' about historical accuracy.  When they decide to ditch the radar navigation and TS on the Russian aircraft  then perhaps the 'historical accuracy' argument could be rolled out again for another look but until then it's just laughable.

 

This is, after all, just a game. Given the limited nature of the player base, introducing restrictions on aircraft types at this point seems crazy. And frankly, I think all these fantasists who think they're somehow accurately representing WW 2 air combat need to grow up and either lay off the medication for a bit or alternatively, sharply increase the dose.  

LMAO:) Good one!