Uriah Posted October 31, 2015 Posted October 31, 2015 Paying normal in a Yak the guys in the 109s still catch up with me even when to all appearances to me there is no way they should be able to. Even after a head to head and I just keep going rather straight to get the hell out of there. I must be doing something fundamentally wrong.
Livai Posted October 31, 2015 Posted October 31, 2015 Easy to explain why You did nothing wrong. There is a config file where you can balance the AI. Bf 109 AI was set to be superior.
Wulf Posted October 31, 2015 Posted October 31, 2015 Paying normal in a Yak the guys in the 109s still catch up with me even when to all appearances to me there is no way they should be able to. Even after a head to head and I just keep going rather straight to get the hell out of there. I must be doing something fundamentally wrong. Well, the F4 is still about 30km/h faster than the Yak down near the deck. Maybe try entering the combat zone at higher altitude so you can build good speed into the merge. Once through the merge try and maintain your energy as long as possible as you extend and climb back into an attacking position. Altitude is your friend.
Uriah Posted October 31, 2015 Author Posted October 31, 2015 I am online playing multiplayer so I have a hard time seeing what changing any config file would do. I thought the 109G was faster than the 109F. I try to stick around at 2500 altitude and only dip just below 2000. I just refuse to go into those low fur-balls that are typical in the online normal servers. I feel I have more of a chance and get more one on one action. But even extending away they still seem to be able to come back around and get me.
Sunde Posted October 31, 2015 Posted October 31, 2015 I dont get it, are you beigen caught up with flying the yak, or the 109? If you get caught in the 109, your doing it wrong.
II./JG53Lutzow_z06z33 Posted October 31, 2015 Posted October 31, 2015 Paying normal in a Yak the guys in the 109s still catch up with me even when to all appearances to me there is no way they should be able to. Even after a head to head and I just keep going rather straight to get the hell out of there.I must be doing something fundamentally wrong. The 109 is faster this should be expected.
Uriah Posted October 31, 2015 Author Posted October 31, 2015 I am flying the Yak. So I guess that is just the way it should be.
Alkyan Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 How a guy with more 400 posts on the forum, bos and bom's founder, can realise only now than the 109 is faster.. I don't get it
Sokol1 Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 Uriah, You are doing the things wrong, instead run from, run behind the 109, he is more fast than your plane, but your bullets are more (at least in theory). 1
Sunde Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 How a guy with more 400 posts on the forum, bos and bom's founder, can realise only now than the 109 is faster.. I don't get it Strange world eh?
Wulf Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 I am utterly fed up that I can be merrily flying along in an La5 when it seems 82% of the time, along come three he111s in a close formation. Flying at about 700kph they close rapidly then proceed to block me in and force me to the ground using nothing but their stubby wings and fat bellies. I am SICK off this. What am I, a baby humpback whale being slowly suffocated by Orcas? No, I am a fighter pilot peow peow. This is embarrassing and starting to impact on my day to day life. Just this morning in a supermarket I was reduced to tears and sat shaking in the discounted cheese section purely because there were three fat ladies approaching me and pushing their shopping trolleys in a similar formation. Man, I hates them suffocating stubby-winged little bastids. I hates 'em bad........
Uriah Posted November 2, 2015 Author Posted November 2, 2015 Yes, I know a 109 is faster than a Yak but I still find it odd that they can turn around and catch up with me as I fly away. I have it in my head that by the time they turn around I have extended so far away they have no chance to catch up to me. But that does not seem to be the case.
Jaws2002 Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 Yes, I know a 109 is faster than a Yak but I still find it odd that they can turn around and catch up with me as I fly away. I have it in my head that by the time they turn around I have extended so far away they have no chance to catch up to me. But that does not seem to be the case. I've heard this so many times online over the years. You just have to have a better understanding what it's happening. I suggest you record your flights. The other plane may have turned earlier and the turn placed him in an advantageous position. I did this many times online, I'd initiate the turn early and fly right over him as he flew by and before he got more than 100m away I'd be already pointing at him. I had a few occasions when I managed to shoot down planes, right after take off, because they'd just blow by at high speed in front of me, so I'd just spray a few rounds at them to make them turn, then I'd just cut across their turn and shoot at high deflection as they passed in front of me. It doesn't matter how fast you fly, if you don't think 3D, It's not that easy to get shot down by a slower plane, that appeared to go the other way. So it's best to record your flights and watch them later from outside view, to have a better understanding of the position of planes in 3d and how they move. This will help you a lot later. You can plan ahead and trick the other guy in doing more, or less energy efficient turns.
Wulf Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 Yes, I know a 109 is faster than a Yak but I still find it odd that they can turn around and catch up with me as I fly away. I have it in my head that by the time they turn around I have extended so far away they have no chance to catch up to me. But that does not seem to be the case. It all comes down to energy management and decision-making. How fast were you going at the merge? Were you slowing down or picking up speed? If you were at less than optimal speed, did you have the option to go faster, in other words, were you able to put your nose down and trade altitude for speed? Then there's the bad guy. Was he slowing down before he began his turn or was he picking-up speed? Did he, in fact, commence his turn before the merge? Unfortunately, there are just so many variables in all of this that it's too difficult to say exactly what should happen in a given situation. But at the end of the day you must make an accurate assessment about the relative energy states of the two aircraft and act accordingly. If you are the slower of the two aircraft entering the merge, and if the bad guy knows what he is doing, you're probably going to be caught, especially if the enemy aircraft actually has a higher max speed than you do. So, as I suggested to you earlier - try to enter the combat zone with an altitude advantage and then manage your energy to maximize your options.
Uriah Posted November 2, 2015 Author Posted November 2, 2015 I will have to record some flights and see what I can learn.
Scarecrow Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 I don't really play online but i do watch video's of other people on youtube. The key to success seems to be team mates and teamwork. If you're in a Yak and a 109 sees you, you're commited to a fight. Otherwise they will just hunt you down, they're in a 109.
Libel Posted November 5, 2015 Posted November 5, 2015 From what I've experienced, both of the BF109s cruise at ~450kph, though the F-4 takes considerably less time to get there. Although the G-2 has the more powerful engine, it is also heavier with the additional cockpit armour, and the engine is limited to the 'safe' 1.3 ATA instead of the full 1.42 the F-4 can manage. I don't often fly a Yak, but when I'm in the LaGG-3 I can only start to cruise at 400-420kph once I'm at altitude, and if my wing is engaged by BF109s then that's usually it - the LaGG is simply inferior in everything except roll speed (at middle speeds, as the wing slats help the 109 tremendously at low speed) and durability. If you can get a cannon shot into him, he's screwed, but it feels like trying to hit flies with a sledgehammer.
Dave Posted November 5, 2015 Posted November 5, 2015 (edited) Initially I thought "DUH! F4 will hunt you down no problem". But ... assuming you enter the merge at maximum straight and level speed (big assumption granted) of 500kph (ground speed) and the F4 is below 400km/h (because it turns markedly slower above that speed) then by the time the 109 completes a 180 degree turn (in about 11 seconds assuming a maximum performance level turn) then you should have put about 1.5km between you and the 109 by ploughing on. The 109 should have shed quite a bit of energy in the max performance level turn I have assumed (yes she should have used the egg but I'm just doing some rough maths here and the level turn time is all I have a record of) but in the spirit of continued roughness we'll assume she's somehow emerged from the turn at or near the F4's maximum level speed at say 3k (because thats probably where you'd be, right?) which I think was about 550km/h over ground. With 50km/h more speed it will take her a little under 2 minutes to catch you. If, instead, she exited the turn at 400km/h shed take almost 5 minutes to catch up. Edited November 5, 2015 by Dave
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