BoS Preformance

[System87]

Hi guys!!! I wanted to share my configuration and the FPS i get when in low alt action with multiple planes, and I wanted to ask you to sare your configs and what kind of performance you get.

 

i7 860@ 2,92ghz 

 

gtx480 (bought gtx960 today gave me 0!!! improvement over the very very old gtx480)

 

8gb ram

 

Balanced settings 20-25 Fps in low alt fights and a bit better at higher alt. 

 

I hoped the gtx960 would give me some 20-30 % better FPS but nothing, maybe it is bottlenecked by the CPU?

Edited October 30, 2015 by EG14_System87

[Sunde]

That is indeed strange... 
Even if your CPU is old, makes me wonder if your computer is "healthy".
How many background processes are running while you are playing?
What speed is your hard disk/ram cards? 

 

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

That 1st Gen i7 has got to be showing its age...

 

Do be aware that the CPU will virtually always be the bottleneck for this simulator - that's pretty simple to understand with the fact that the types of "sim" calculations the game engine runs are a lot heavier than rendering the graphics.

[Livai]

 

 

gtx480 (bought gtx960 today gave me 0!!! improvement over the very very old gtx480)

 

---> I have a great Idea, next time you give me the money I know where it is needed. For $100 more you get a GTX 970 with 20 FPS boost more than a GTX 960 can do for you. BTW a GTX 970 is only 10 FPS slower than a GTX 980

[System87]

---> I have a great Idea, next time you give me the money I know where it is needed. For $100 more you get a GTX 970 with 20 FPS boost more than a GTX 960 can do for you. BTW a GTX 970 is only 10 FPS slower than a GTX 980

its no problem, I can return the GPU within 30 days for no reason, god bless Germany :D

[Urra]

Hi guys!!! I wanted to share my configuration and the FPS i get when in low alt action with multiple planes, and I wanted to ask you to sare your configs and what kind of performance you get.

 

i7 860@ 2,92ghz

 

gtx480 (bought gtx960 today gave me 0!!! improvement over the very very old gtx480)

 

8gb ram

 

Balanced settings 20-25 Fps in low alt fights and a bit better at higher alt.

 

I hoped the gtx960 would give me some 20-30 % better FPS but nothing, maybe it is bottlenecked by the CPU?

Do you get the same in multiplayer? Wings of liberty server with the 960?

[System87]

Do you get the same in multiplayer? Wings of liberty server with the 960?

Yes i get that in multy on WoL, its not much better in singleplayer maybe few FPS, what i really think is strange is when i go form balanced to ultra i lose a few fps on average not even 5 i would say

[Nonolem]

That 1st Gen i7 has got to be showing its age...

 

Do be aware that the CPU will virtually always be the bottleneck for this simulator - that's pretty simple to understand with the fact that the types of "sim" calculations the game engine runs are a lot heavier than rendering the graphics.

 

Hum... not sure.

 

I remember a post from the devs where it was said that the limiting factor is very often the graphic card.

 

An overloaded CPU will cause your game to slow down (I had experimented that with RoF and an old computer), an overloaded graphic card will cause low FPS, according to the devs.

 

I am wondering if the "ULTRA" setting is not using super sampling (because this feature is used in RoF). This can use a lot of resources on the graphic card, especially if you are using big screen and a high resolution.

 

Maybe if you are using "ULTRA" setting, low it down to "HIGH". There is a very little difference of rendering between these two options, on my screen at least.

[TWC_Ace]

Hi guys!!! I wanted to share my configuration and the FPS i get when in low alt action with multiple planes, and I wanted to ask you to sare your configs and what kind of performance you get.

 

i7 860@ 2,92ghz 

 

gtx480 (bought gtx960 today gave me 0!!! improvement over the very very old gtx480)

 

8gb ram

 

Balanced settings 20-25 Fps in low alt fights and a bit better at higher alt. 

 

I hoped the gtx960 would give me some 20-30 % better FPS but nothing, maybe it is bottlenecked by the CPU?

Hi there. BOS is more CPU heavy than GPU. I have i7920 overclocked to 3.7 Ghz and GTX 660Ti (on par with your 960) and Im running BOS on standard settings with terrain at 4X and AA from sweetFX injectors. It would be possible to overclock (from BIOS) your CPU beyond 3.3 Ghz which should be enough...ask a friend if you dont know how to do it..Its not complicated (I gogoled it). Disabling Hyper Threading from BIOS would also help (if you dont use multitasking much - you dont need that). I hope you disabled post processing in graphics menu.

Edited October 30, 2015 by blackram

[System87]

Hi there. BOS is more CPU heavy than GPU. I have i7920 overclocked to 3.7 Ghz and GTX 660Ti (on par with your 960) and Im running BOS on standard settings with terrain at 4X and AA from sweetFX injectors. It would be possible to overcloxk your CPU beyond 3.3 Ghz which should be enough...ask a friend if you dont know how to do it.

I already tryed that and for some reason my motherboard wont allow me to go higher then 2,92ghz(2,8 ghz is normal), but yes im asearching online for a way to OC it

Hum... not sure.

 

I remember a post from the devs where it was said that the limiting factor is very often the graphic card.

 

An overloaded CPU will cause your game to slow down (I had experimented that with RoF and an old computer), an overloaded graphic card will cause low FPS, according to the devs.

 

I am wondering if the "ULTRA" setting is not using super sampling (because this feature is used in RoF). This can use a lot of resources on the graphic card, especially if you are using big screen and a high resolution.

 

Maybe if you are using "ULTRA" setting, low it down to "HIGH". There is a very little difference of rendering between these two options, on my screen at least.

as I said i already play on balanced settings.

[=LG/F=Kathon]

CPU is the bottleneck. What is the utilization of your CPU.

[Livai]

its no problem, I can return the GPU within 30 days for no reason, god bless Germany :D

 

Why you not earlier choose the GTX 970?  Take a look at this youtube video. Watch this and you see... what happend

 

Core i7 950 @ 3 Ghz & GTX 970

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYf9gtgciMI

 

Core i5 4670K & GTX 970

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a63Wb3USCSw

[TWC_Ace]

I already tryed that and for some reason my motherboard wont allow me to go higher then 2,92ghz(2,8 ghz is normal), but yes im asearching online for a way to OC it

as I said i already play on balanced settings.

Which mobo you have. Some mobos arent good for overcloking. BTW, did you disabled HDR and SSAO withing graphics settings in BOS?  Both are FPS killers, specially SSAO?

 

@Superghostboy - CPU is problem here....

Edited October 30, 2015 by blackram

[System87]

Why you not earlier choose the GTX 970?  Take a look at this youtube video. Watch this and you see... what happend

 

Core i7 950 @ 3 Ghz & GTX 970

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYf9gtgciMI

 

Core i5 4670K & GTX 970

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a63Wb3USCSw

I dont want to spend so much money on hardware but it seems i might have to if i want to play with reasonable FPS, but the gtx960 should be enough to run BOS on balanced settings on good playable frames. i mean for 200E its a good card

Which mobo you have. Some mobos arent good for overcloking. BTW, did you disabled HDR and SSAO withing graphics settings in BOS?  Both are FPS killers, specially SSAO?

 

@Superghostboy - CPU is problem here....

yes i did disable them , MBO is ASUS P7H55- M PRO

[TWC_Ace]

960 is more than enough for balanced settings and the game still looks nice. You need to invest in better mobo (which can overclok) and aftermarket cpu cooler. Thats all. Or if you have more money you can go for new cpu and mobo. But if you can get used i5 2500i that would be bang for the buck.

Check if you disabled HDR and SSAO under graphics settings in the game. Though this would have more impact on gpu than CPU and the CPU is the problem here.

Edited October 30, 2015 by blackram

[System87]

960 is more than enough for balanced settings and the game still looks nice. You need to invest in better mobo (which can overclok) and aftermarket cpu cooler. Thats all. Or if you have more money you can go for new cpu and mobo. But if you can get used i5 2500i that would be bang for the buck.

Check if you disabled HDR and SSAO under graphics settings in the game. Though this would have more impact on gpu than CPU and the CPU is the problem here.

Thanks, do you guys know if this game uses more or only one core of the CPU?

[Livai]

 

 

I dont want to spend so much money on hardware but it seems i might have to if i want to play with reasonable FPS, but the gtx960 should be enough to run BOS on balanced settings on good playable frames. i mean for 200E its a good card

 

The GTX 960 has a performance between a gtx 760 & gtx 770. Spend much money is 100E more much???? To have a performance like the GTX 980 has? Sure you can stay with a GTX 960 if you want but this card is overpriced compared to the performance that the Gtx 970 has.

 

We speak here about 100E more or less. 20 FPS more or not?

[System87]

The GTX 960 has a performance between a gtx 760 & gtx 770. Spend much money is 100E more much???? To have a performance like the GTX 980 has? Sure you can stay with a GTX 960 if you want but this card is overpriced compared to the performance that the Gtx 970 has.

 

We speak here about 100E more or less. 20 FPS more or not?

But im afraid the CPU is the bottleneck here and then I will be at 20FPS dogfights with gtx970.

[Fishbed64]

Hi guys!!! I wanted to share my configuration and the FPS i get when in low alt action with multiple planes, and I wanted to ask you to sare your configs and what kind of performance you get.

 

i7 860@ 2,92ghz 

 

gtx480 (bought gtx960 today gave me 0!!! improvement over the very very old gtx480)

 

8gb ram

 

Balanced settings 20-25 Fps in low alt fights and a bit better at higher alt. 

 

I hoped the gtx960 would give me some 20-30 % better FPS but nothing, maybe it is bottlenecked by the CPU

If you have GPU like GTX760 or GTX960 you dont need stronger GPU for Il2 BOS,stronger GPU dont give you much higher FPS(at least for 1080p),what you need is much stronger CPU, Il2 BOS is incredibly hard on CPU(it is old DX9 engine,so it is fundamentally badly coded for multiple CPU cores)i my self now have Haswell Xeon e3 1220 3,1ghz and this cpu which is more than enough for any other games,is really struggling in BOS when more aircrafts and ground objects are shown(my fps drops to 35-ish).So i strongly recommended keep the GTX960 and put all the money to the CPU,best cost/wise choice is core i5 4690k and Z97 board and then OC this CPU to at least 4,2ghz,then you should see much higher framerate.I probably do the same thing.    

[Fishbed64]

The GTX 960 has a performance between a gtx 760 & gtx 770. Spend much money is 100E more much???? To have a performance like the GTX 980 has? Sure you can stay with a GTX 960 if you want but this card is overpriced compared to the performance that the Gtx 970 has.

 

We speak here about 100E more or less. 20 FPS more or not?

Your conclusion is totally wrong,upgraded to GTX970 is nonsense in his case ,because his problem is slow CPU,he just need stronger CPU and that give him more FPS in BOS,GTX970 not,GTX960 is more than enough for BOS.

[System87]

If you have GPU like GTX760 or GTX960 you dont need stronger GPU for Il2 BOS,stronger GPU dont give you much higher FPS(at least for 1080p),what you need is much stronger CPU, Il2 BOS is incredibly hard on CPU(it is old DX9 engine,so it is fundamentally badly coded for multiple CPU cores)i my self now have Haswell Xeon e3 1220 3,1ghz and this cpu which is more than enough for any other games,is really struggling in BOS when more aircrafts and ground objects are shown(my fps drops to 35-ish).So i strongly recommended keep the GTX960 and put all the money to the CPU,best cost/wise choice is core i5 4690k and Z97 board and then OC this CPU to at least 4,2ghz,then you should see much higher framerate.I probably do the same thing.    

Thank you very much for advice. I see you play DCS (I need MiG21 wingman)

[Fishbed64]

Thanks, do you guys know if this game uses more or only one core of the CPU?

Il BOS is basically using only 2 cores of the cpu(yes it somehow uses all 4 cores but very ineffectively,when all the job is in reality on first 2 cores),i thing this is big problem especially in long term for BOS,engine is old and strongly dependent on CPU brute force,but at the same time incapable to use effectively more than two cores.The new DCS world 1,5 DX11 engine update show the way(much better use of modern CPUs and GPUs,which lead to much higher frame rates than old DX9 DCS 1,2) that i hope 777 will follow in the future.  

[Dakpilot]

Bos utilises multi core, in tests i regularly see all 4 cores used efficiently

 

In BoS min FPS are dictated by CPU single thread/core performance and clock speeds (of course preferably using four cores), putting a GTX980ti on a maxed/heavily utilised CPU will not help FPS, it may help in some situations of graphics quality and Vram use but not min FPS

 

Unless CPU and GPU performance are balanced, money can be wasted on a GPU that cannot be efficiently "supplied with info' however having the highest CPU performance is the better option in BoS and other similar CPU/calculation heavy titles

 

Cheers Dakpilot

Edited October 31, 2015 by Dakpilot

[DD_Arthur]

System 87;  I've got an i7 920 running at 3.8ghz with an Nvidia 6600ti.  The sweet spot for BoS seems to be around 3.6ghz.  There is a significant performance difference once you get over 3.6ghz. on my system.

 

What is your mother board?

[L3Pl4K]

For better performance you should buy new core i5 or i7... on i7 bos runs good.

[System87]

going to buy new MBO and probably some i5 cpu but i dont want to spend more then 300euro, any suggestions?

 

and what about the more powerfull i3s are they worth considering?

Edited October 31, 2015 by EG14_System87

[Fishbed64]

going to buy new MBO and probably some i5 cpu but i dont want to spend more then 300euro, any suggestions?

 

and what about the more powerfull i3s are they worth considering?

Yes MSI B85-G41 PC MATE+ core i5 4690,that will be around 300 euro together,i dont know what pricing you have in your country(you are from Germany?). 

[Dutch2]

going to buy new MBO and probably some i5 cpu but i dont want to spend more then 300euro, any suggestions?

 

and what about the more powerfull i3s are they worth considering?

 

I would do something complete different, I think your system can handle BoS. What you need to do is make an extra boot on your harddisk or just buy an extra SSD [250Gb 99euro], which can always be used for your new rig if this brings no satisfaction. 

This boot should be pure for Bos/BoM, optimize your OS to a very LEAN state and no Virusscan or whatever should be installed, only the software that is needed for BoS. Use Blackviper.com or just Google on how to make your rig free from fat. Do not use this BoS boot for other games, surfing on the internet, viewing porn movies and checking your webmail. Do not worry because virus scanning of the BoS-boot can always be done from your main boot. 

 

Clean your Rig from dust and try to Overclock your CPU and GPU, [get your info from internet before burning your PC].

In the video here above you have noticed the onscreen readings, these are from a fine piece of software, Afterburner. Download this from the MSI website, install it, and use this for overclocking your GPU and the OSD readings.  The ODS readings will bring in the facts you will need on what is going on, now you can adjust the ingame settings and see what kind of effects this brings.  

 

I know from the RoF forum, Jay Dolan did some testing to determine the use of cores on his 6core AMD and he noticed that RoF is using 3 cores, while the ancient BoS game engine is the same as the RoF one, I think nothing did have changed on that, so maybe it is just a matter of making the 3cores exclusief for BoS, and put the rest on one core. Set the priority to BoS related to high and the not needed to low, read this on;

 http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/37272/set-a-programs-affinity-in-windows-7-for-better-performance/.    

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/83361-priority-level-set-applications-processes.html

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/83632-processor-affinity-set-applications.html

Be aware some processes are blocked by Microsoft.

 

In 2009 I could even run RoF on a XP86; AMD Athlon 6400+;  4GB ram & nVidia 7300LE-0,5Gb, only by tweaking, spreading the CPU core load & CPU priority settings and using a seperate boot.

Edited October 31, 2015 by Dutch2

[Fishbed64]

 

 

"In 2009 I could even run RoF on a XP86; AMD Athlon 6400+;  4GB ram & nVidia 7300LE-0,5Gb, only by tweaking, spreading the CPU core load & CPU priority settings and using a seperate boot"LOL you must live in alternative universe then Nvidia 7300le not handle well even old il2 1946,Rof will be absolutely unplayable on that crap GPU.Also SSD never ever help you gain ingame performance,only loading times are shorter.  

[Dutch2]

Crap GPU: I did run RoF on the 7300LE-0,5Gb not complete Fps perfect and sure at the lowest settings, monitor was btw a low resolution 12??x7?? or something like that and yeah later that year I was forced to a HD4890-1Gb for a better performance. Some players even manage it to run RoF on a single core btw, optimizing can make a difference. But this all is not helpful for the TS. My contribution was: do your measurements by Afterburner, optimizing your system, make it pure for just one game, get info from internet.  

 

SSD: The TS could make a separate boot on his actual HD but he could also buy an extra one, this could be a HD [50 euro] or a SSD, but I think in his case a SSD is more interesting, that's why I did publish the average price.  I is all his choice.

 

 

BTW, thanks for the friendly reply!   I do not want to spoil the "get a new PC" parties on this forum, sorry if did.  

[Livai]

But im afraid the CPU is the bottleneck here and then I will be at 20FPS dogfights with gtx970.

 

If planes are very close maybe. You see yourself that the FPS goes down if planes are near or close. This happends to all CPUs no matter how much Ghz they have. This Question is really hard to answer how much the FPS goes down?

 

Your conclusion is totally wrong,upgraded to GTX970 is nonsense in his case ,because his problem is slow CPU,he just need stronger CPU and that give him more FPS in BOS,GTX970 not,GTX960 is more than enough for BOS.

My conclusion are wrong you say because his CPU is maybe the bottleneck. You have a faster CPU show us your FPS? And for others where is the huge problem to clock a 4 Ghz or more down to 3 Ghz to show here some results if really 4 Ghz or more are needed. I playing on a AMD APU with Low Settings @ Full HD over a whole year with no problems. For my experience 3 Ghz are the min. what you need.

 

BTW a GTX 980 TI is a overkill for his CPU not a GTX 970.

 

going to buy new MBO and probably some i5 cpu but i dont want to spend more then 300euro, any suggestions?

 

and what about the more powerfull i3s are they worth considering?

 

I going to update around the next two weeks to a Core i5 6600 + Motherboard with H110 Chipset + GTX 970. The Core i5 6600 can go with Intel Turbo to 3,9 Ghz and I see no reason to spend +150 Dollar more for a Unlocked CPU and a good Motherboard with Z170 Chipset for overclocking. Nobody knowns how much you can get from overclocking for free.

 

Yes MSI B85-G41 PC MATE+ core i5 4690,that will be around 300 euro together,i dont know what pricing you have in your country(you are from Germany?). 

 

For +10 Dollars I get a Unlocked Core i5 4690K. The Core i5 4690 is overpriced. A Core i5 4460 is much cheaper around 70 Dollar. A Motherboard with H81 Chipset is cheaper and good. Motherboard is everytime a point to talk because some need a with more features and some need not.

 

[Fishbed64]

 

If planes are very close maybe. You see yourself that the FPS goes down if planes are near or close. This happends to all CPUs no matter how much Ghz they have. This Question is really hard to answer how much the FPS goes down?

 

My conclusion are wrong you say because his CPU is maybe the bottleneck. You have a faster CPU show us your FPS? And for others where is the huge problem to clock a 4 Ghz or more down to 3 Ghz to show here some results if really 4 Ghz or more are needed. I playing on a AMD APU with Low Settings @ Full HD over a whole year with no problems. For my experience 3 Ghz are the min. what you need.

 

BTW a GTX 980 TI is a overkill for his CPU not a GTX 970.

 

 

I going to update around the next two weeks to a Core i5 6600 + Motherboard with H110 Chipset + GTX 970. The Core i5 6600 can go with Intel Turbo to 3,9 Ghz and I see no reason to spend +150 Dollar more for a Unlocked CPU and a good Motherboard with Z170 Chipset for overclocking. Nobody knowns how much you can get from overclocking for free.

 

 

For +10 Dollars I get a Unlocked Core i5 4690K. The Core i5 4690 is overpriced. A Core i5 4460 is much cheaper around 70 Dollar. A Motherboard with H81 Chipset is cheaper and good. Motherboard is everytime a point to talk because some need a with more features and some need not.

 

 

Bos is all about CPU i try it with my core i5 3570 which i have before and there is noticeable difference between 3,4 and OC to 4,2 ghz(but yeah engine is just not very well optimize so you can struggle even with faster CPU)  ,also BOS runs much worse on any AMD cpu even on faster FX the fps are much lower,because those CPUs have much lower IPC than Intel CPUs.H81 chipset is not good at all for any gaming rig(this chipset not even have pciE 3.0 but only old pciE 2.0 which is definitely not ideal for modern GPUs),you dont need spend 200$ for mobo ,but at least 80$ for decent B85 with better VRM cascade end pciE 3.0.As for i5 4690 i recommended that one because he told me(in a message)that he dont want OC, so higher clocked non K i5 was logical choice.Skylake i5 are very good CPUs but bare in mind that low end H110 chipset is not ideal and Skylake dont support DDR 3 memory only low voltage DDR3L,Skylake is better performer with b150 or above chipsets and DDR 4 memory.If you buy that i5 6600 cpu,definitely make some testing and share with us your experience compared to your old system,it would be helpful.        

[Livai]

Bos is all about CPU i try it with my core i5 3570 which i have before and there is noticeable difference between 3,4 and OC to 4,2 ghz(but yeah engine is just not very well optimize so you can struggle even with faster CPU)  ,also BOS runs much worse on any AMD cpu even on faster FX the fps are much lower,because those CPUs have much lower IPC than Intel CPUs.H81 chipset is not good at all for any gaming rig(this chipset not even have pciE 3.0 but only old pciE 2.0 which is definitely not ideal for modern GPUs),you dont need spend 200$ for mobo ,but at least 80$ for decent B85 with better VRM cascade end pciE 3.0.As for i5 4690 i recommended that one because he told me(in a message)that he dont want OC, so higher clocked non K i5 was logical choice.Skylake i5 are very good CPUs but bare in mind that low end H110 chipset is not ideal and Skylake dont support DDR 3 memory only low voltage DDR3L,Skylake is better performer with b150 or above chipsets and DDR 4 memory.If you buy that i5 6600 cpu,definitely make some testing and share with us your experience compared to your old system,it would be helpful.        

 

I known that AMD are not good but I used my AMD APU for HTPC experience. Now with the summer maps and the new physics my AMD CPU started to bottleneck.  Overclocking is not worth the money sometimes. I can tell you easy why. A Core i5 6600k cost 280 Dollar + a good Z170 with stable VRM & Voltage cost 150 Dollar. Not much but still +150 Dollar more to pay for me. For what? The Unlocked gets high temperature by overclocking and higher voltage. A Corsair GTX 110 is needed to hold the CPU below 80C worst case. And what I get if I get a CPU that likes to be overclocked with low Voltage increase around +500 Mhz to pay +150 Dollar for that? A 6700k is overpriced because I get a 5820k Six Core for the same price. For me was only the Question a Core i5 6500 or Core i5 6600 or Core i7 5820k @ 4 Ghz. Money was not my problem. The problem the price are that close together where it is really hard to choose for me. Normally I go the Core i7 5820k @ 4 Ghz way but this CPU has Single Thread Problems. A Overkill for me to choose him. A Skylake Six Core could solve the Single Thread Problem but I dont like to wait to the end of 2017.  

 

A Chipset with H110 that I choose has DDR4 support cost me only 60 Dollars include USB 3.1. Has all what I need. Has PCI-E 3.0, too. The whole System cost be only 300 Dollars + 350 Dollars for the MSI GTX 970. I see a huge Performance improvement because the Core i5 6600 has the double Single Thread Performance that my AMD CPU has.

 

I could choose the Core i5 6500 is a good CPU, too.

 

Take a look at your CPU hat you choose the Core i5 4690 that cost 240 Dollar that runs with 3,5 Ghz. I said the Core i5 4460 that cost 170 Dollar and runs with 3,2 Ghz. You see what I mean. Why someone go to pay +70 Dollar more for only +300 Mhz improvement? Not a great deal.

 

The H81 has maybe only PCI-E 2.0 but the difference is not a huge one. Like I said Motherboard you buy what feature and how much you need. Since all Motherboards cost very close together not easy to say what is the best motherboard for him since we not known what  feature he want or need.

 

Lets see what FPS I get with a Core i5 6600, H110, DDR4 and GTX 970. Two weeks to wait could be a very long time sometimes

[System87]

I can say the 4590 i5 has made a big difference  . Only problem I have now is since i intalled the new MBO my joy wont work in BOS (works in windows and DCS) t16000m

[Fishbed64]

I can say the 4590 i5 has made a big difference  . Only problem I have now is since i intalled the new MBO my joy wont work in BOS (works in windows and DCS) t16000m

I like to hear that!...what difference you see in FPS?...as for the joy,i have also Thrustmaster joy and have same problem sometimes just restart the system and play BOS again(sometimes when i play DCS and then BOS this problem is happened to me)   

[SharpeXB]

.as for the joy,i have also Thrustmaster joy and have same problem sometimes just restart the system and play BOS again(sometimes when i play DCS and then BOS this problem is happened to me)

Are you running Windows 8 or 10?

This might be happening to you

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/18442-bos-keeps-reassigning-joystick-numbers/page-1

Han said they plan to improve the menu system in order to fix this.

[System87]

yea i have win 10 and i did have to reassign everything. FPS was at 20 or even 18-19 when attacking someone low over ground now its around 45 and i went from balanced settings up to high.if im just cruising around i get stable 60FPS with vsync on.

 

I think I will put my old gtx480 back, just to see how it runs BoS with this CPU.

Edited November 3, 2015 by EG14_System87

[Fishbed64]

Are you running Windows 8 or 10?

This might be happening to you

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/18442-bos-keeps-reassigning-joystick-numbers/page-1

Han said they plan to improve the menu system in order to fix this.

yeah i run Windows 8.1,i have the same issue with Rise of flight sometimes,so its seems to me like Natural Engine problem(il2 bos engine),but it not happened very often ,so its no problem really. 

[SharpeXB]

yeah i run Windows 8.1,i have the same issue with Rise of flight sometimes,so its seems to me like Natural Engine problem(il2 bos engine),but it not happened very often ,so its no problem really.

 

As near as I can figure the problem is with Windows 8 and 10. It sometimes shuffles the "joy#" that are used by both RoF and BoS. DN is just reading a number that Windows assigns. There are some solutions in that other thread. Edited November 4, 2015 by SharpeXB

[System87]

I am amazed to see that my old gtx480 is not any worse in handling BOS then the gtx960 with the new i5 4590. Going to return the 960 and save money till i can afford 970 :D