Taking it slow in the summer heat feels.... good, actually

[Finkeren]

As most other people, I love the new update. The new maps are great, the ground physics are hugely improved and the Bf 109E7 is nothing but fun. There are issues with such a huge update ofc, mainly with regards to the rendering of the new textures and water effects, but overall 1.104 is a big win and a huge milestone for the development of this sim.

 

When the first awe of the new visuals had subsided, a lot of us promtly changed our focus to the meat of the matter of the new seasons: What impact would the new temperatures have on the performance of the different AC, now that the "winter boost" isn't there al the time? A lot of tests were done, and as expected, the impact on performance was significant and cooling became much more of an issue, especially for VVS pilots, who found their new thawed Yaks to be a lot more sluggish and prone to excessive overheating.

 

So far, the results of most of the tests seem to fall within an acceptable margin of error compared to historical data. Yes, there are discussions, but noone seems to be running around screaming of bias or claiming that "it's all wrong".  

 

But: There's one thing all people testing the summer performance seem to agree on: That the loss of performance, while accurate, is a bad thing.

 

My experience so far is the exact opposite: The lower performance of the planes, especially in summer, is really really good.

 

During the last couple of days I've had more fun dogfighting AI aircraft than I've had in a long while, and it's got nothing to do with the more colourful landscape. The slower speeds (on average some 30 - 50km/h) and less powerful engines has completely changed the feeling of air combat, even if the difference isn't really that big. The subtle change in speed has led to my fighting becoming more deliberate and my aim more careful, because I now have that fraction of a second extra time to make decissions and perform maneuvers. The lower engine power has also removed the feeling of being in a rocket ship, that I sometimes got from flying especially 109s and the Yak. Even in high powered fighters, you now how to take care when you climb or zoom in combat, it's like we got a little big of that RoF-feeling of having to struggle for every Joule of energy. The importance of managing cooling has also really come into its own and is now a more active part of dogfights and pursuits, where before you could mostly leave your radiators slightly open and rest assured, that you had plenty of time to fight at maximum power.

 

The addition of the slower BoM planes has amplified the effect a great deal. My favourite matchup in the summer heat is now the Bf 109E7 vs. I-16. They really match each other very nicely, and there's just endless fun to be had there going a good 100 km/h slower than most of the BoS fighters.

 

I personally enjoy the heat, especially now that temperatures are dropping rapidly outside, and I look forward to venturing online again soon.

[SCG_Neun]

I've been working on my tan.....

[EAF19_Marsh]

I've been working on my tan.....

 

Thanks, that made my morning

[SvAF/F19_Klunk]

+1 Finkeren... Du har fuldstændig ret

 

Indeed - I too feel the the need to handle your plane with more accuracy and determination both in regards to CEM (more noticable cooling mechanism, RPM/throttle) and manouvering has made this sim even more enjoyable and challenging. Navigation is easier (who wants GPS markings?), spotting planes more diffulcult, taxiing needs more effort... well 1.104 has given us a slightly different and better game/sim.

 

cheers for that...

 

 

Now... about carrier operations.......

[Voidhunger]

+1 Finkeren, I absolutely agree. Perfect update and 109E vs I-16 is fun!

[Guest deleted@50488]

I fully subscribe your excellent observations Finkeren!

[Reflected]

Agreed, wholeheartedly!

 

The decreased performance levels the plaiyng field, the Russian planes no longer have that debatable advantage. Red flyers have to work for their kill.

 

The decreased power makes flying feel more natural too, the engine doesn't pull you through all kinds of maneuvers, like it did in the winter.

 

Navigation is much more fun now, and a lot easier to follow rivers & roads.

 

Plane spotting is extremely hard though, which gives people a chance to break off fight and dive away. A real challenge for energy fighters, though...

[SvAF/F19_Klunk]

... the Russian planes no longer have that debatable advantage. Red flyers have to work for their kill....

 

what? When did Russian planes have an advantage?

(this is a side note.. back to topic...)

Edited October 30, 2015 by SvAF/F19_Klunk

[Reflected]

What I mean is that nothing overheated in the freezing cold, and this was more of an advantage for Russians than for Germans. In game, I mean.

[Finkeren]

What I mean is that nothing overheated in the freezing cold, and this was more of an advantage for Russians than for Germans. In game, I mean.

True, but that leads to another question? Is it even posible to overheat the German fighters with automatic radiator control?

 

As far as I remember, the early Fw 190s (right up to the A5) were prone to overheating, for which the only solution was to throttle back due to the cooling system being completely automatic.

 

In any case. Fighters with auto-radiators should still overheat while sitting on the tarmac with the engine running or in a steep climb at low speed, and right now they don't seem to do.

 

But again, just like the non-overheating Soviet engines in winter, it's not a deal-breaker.

[TWC_Ace]

Let me make myself clear here, Finkeren......I absolutely agree wit you! 

Edited October 30, 2015 by blackram

[SvAF/F19_Klunk]

.. I need 100 ml of vodka right now...

[BlitzPig_EL]

It's been over 4 months since I have touched a flight sim.

 

Maybe I should give it another try, being summer and all...

[unreasonable]

It has that RoF feeling? All a bit slower? Have to think rather than react?

 

Great, maybe us old men will be able to cope a little better! 

 

(Good post Mr Finkeren - something different to talk about).

[SCG_Neun]

It's been over 4 months since I have touched a flight sim.

 

Maybe I should give it another try, being summer and all...

Yes...time to get back to the front.....Give it a go...I'd like to hear what you think having been gone that long.... We kind of went through your footlocker...I mean its been four months..and well....ahhhhhh.

Edited October 30, 2015 by 4./JG52_Neun

[pilotpierre]

Spot on Finkeren, I think the emil is the bees knees in all aspects.

[JG5_Schuck]

Finkeren,

Its now quite easy to blow the motor on the G2 at low altitude, it gets a little harder higher up.

If you don't use manual radiators on take off the temp rises to 110-115 degrees very quickly on full throttle.

The F4 is even worse, auto radiators just don't seem to work properly for cooling. (almost like an algorithm problem) 

Manual radiators work much better, but of course you take a performance hit having them wide open all the time.

I would love to see how people would get on if the tech tips could be disabled as a server setting.

You really would have to fly with one eye on the temp gauge all the time then. (maybe one day!)

But the game is just great now, and with the 110 on the horizon..........

I cant wait.

[andyw248]

You really would have to fly with one eye on the temp gauge all the time then. (maybe one day!)

 

Right, that's exactly what people do. Even in today's light aircraft, at least if they are equipped with an IO-520 engine, it's essential to keep cylinder head temperature between 300 and 350F, so while performing maneuvers (stalls, slow flight, lazy eights, chandelles, whatever is permitted in them) the pilot will always keep a close eye on the engine monitor's CHT indication and work with cowl flaps and mixture to keep the temperature where it needs to be.

[Finkeren]

Finkeren,

Its now quite easy to blow the motor on the G2 at low altitude, it gets a little harder higher up.

If you don't use manual radiators on take off the temp rises to 110-115 degrees very quickly on full throttle.

The F4 is even worse, auto radiators just don't seem to work properly for cooling. (almost like an algorithm problem)

Manual radiators work much better, but of course you take a performance hit having them wide open all the time.

I would love to see how people would get on if the tech tips could be disabled as a server setting.

You really would have to fly with one eye on the temp gauge all the time then. (maybe one day!)

But the game is just great now, and with the 110 on the horizon..........

I cant wait.

Ok, very glad to hear that overheating is an issue for the German fighters in BoS as well. I have only done a few quick tests of the "old" Jerry planes on the summer map and was unable to overheat them on auto radiator then.

 

Nice to hear that everything is as it's supposed to be

[jaydee]

As most other people, I love the new update. The new maps are great, the ground physics are hugely improved and the Bf 109E7 is nothing but fun. There are issues with such a huge update ofc, mainly with regards to the rendering of the new textures and water effects, but overall 1.104 is a big win and a huge milestone for the development of this sim.

 

When the first awe of the new visuals had subsided, a lot of us promtly changed our focus to the meat of the matter of the new seasons: What impact would the new temperatures have on the performance of the different AC, now that the "winter boost" isn't there al the time? A lot of tests were done, and as expected, the impact on performance was significant and cooling became much more of an issue, especially for VVS pilots, who found their new thawed Yaks to be a lot more sluggish and prone to excessive overheating.

 

So far, the results of most of the tests seem to fall within an acceptable margin of error compared to historical data. Yes, there are discussions, but noone seems to be running around screaming of bias or claiming that "it's all wrong".  

 

But: There's one thing all people testing the summer performance seem to agree on: That the loss of performance, while accurate, is a bad thing.

 

My experience so far is the exact opposite: The lower performance of the planes, especially in summer, is really really good.

 

During the last couple of days I've had more fun dogfighting AI aircraft than I've had in a long while, and it's got nothing to do with the more colourful landscape. The slower speeds (on average some 30 - 50km/h) and less powerful engines has completely changed the feeling of air combat, even if the difference isn't really that big. The subtle change in speed has led to my fighting becoming more deliberate and my aim more careful, because I now have that fraction of a second extra time to make decissions and perform maneuvers. The lower engine power has also removed the feeling of being in a rocket ship, that I sometimes got from flying especially 109s and the Yak. Even in high powered fighters, you now how to take care when you climb or zoom in combat, it's like we got a little big of that RoF-feeling of having to struggle for every Joule of energy. The importance of managing cooling has also really come into its own and is now a more active part of dogfights and pursuits, where before you could mostly leave your radiators slightly open and rest assured, that you had plenty of time to fight at maximum power.

 

The addition of the slower BoM planes has amplified the effect a great deal. My favourite matchup in the summer heat is now the Bf 109E7 vs. I-16. They really match each other very nicely, and there's just endless fun to be had there going a good 100 km/h slower than most of the BoS fighters.

 

I personally enjoy the heat, especially now that temperatures are dropping rapidly outside, and I look forward to venturing online again soon.

Nice post Fink !

I had a break from flight sims.( I have been running all over Stratis and Altis).

Sometimes a break is a good thing. Ive lurked the BOS forums but haven't flown much....until the last patch !

The new seasons are great . Navigation is easier !(at least I know where I got shot down in my P40)...

The Ground handling of Aircraft in BOS is second to None !  You all know what I mean ! ...The days of Firewalling may have to be reconsidered.

I am enjoying flying again . Thanks Devs ! ~S~

[Hartigan]

If you watch videos from BF109 engine start and taxiing you will see radiators always wide open. Pilot put them open manually because automatic option is too slow in ground. After takeoff you can put them back to auto

[BlitzPig_EL]

The P 40 should be very overheat prone on the ground as well.

 

Basically you should have enough time from startup to get from the dispersal to the end of the runway and not much more.  All the tech manuals and training films from the day make it clear that the radiator outlets should be wide open before starting the engine and remain that way till after takeoff.