Aircraft Set

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

So, the most likely next expansion is either the MTO or either Kursk or Kuban. I am personally hoping for MTO as I'd like to get out of the East for at least one expansion. I'm not opposed to the East in any way but I'd like a little more variety and to see some of the Western Allied AC for a bit. I'm happy to go back to the East shortly thereafter and then on to the Far East or Western Europe. That being said, what would an MTO aircraft set look like? And if you were picking the premium AC which would they be? The Axis side is running out of German stuff pretty quickly in this theater unless we are into 1943 - but there are still some Italian birds to consider. The Allied side has lots of shiny new toys (from a game perspective) to play with from the Brits and the Yanks.

 

My preliminary MTO list is as follows:

 

Axis:

 

Bf 110E

Bf 109G-6 (Premium?)

Hs 129

G-50

Maybe a G-55 or Re.2002 

 

and either the Dewoitine D520 or Me210 as a fun odd-duck.

 

Allied:

 

Spitfire (Premium?)

Hurricane

A-20 or Blenheim

P-38

C-47

I think you could throw in the P-39 but I'd save it for the next Eastern pack

 

A-36, A-24 or Gladiator as the fun odd-duck

[Trinkof]

I personnaly hope for for a Kursk or Kuban theather, (and MTO of course, but after the major engageent of eastern front are covered ! ). Kuban or Kursk would give us very nice plane set, and could make a conclusion to an eastern front trilogy

 

 

My ideal plane set would be :

 

VVS :

 

-Yak 9

-La5 FN

-IL2 M

-Tu 2

 

Premium : P39N0

 

Luftwaffe :

 

-FW 190 A5

-Bf 109 G6

-Hs 129

-Ju 87 G

 

Premium : IAR 80 / or 81

 

Of course I would LOVE a MTO senario also ....

Edited October 28, 2015 by LAL_Trinkof

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

OK, but what is your MTO set then?

[Matt]

I'm assuming the next one will be Kursk.

 

Axis:

Bf 109 G-6

Fw 190 A-5

Me 110 G-2 (not sure if it was avaliable already)

Ju 87 D-5

Hs 129 B-2

 

 

Allies:

La-5 F

Yak-9

Il-2 (AM-38F)

A-20

P-39

 

 

But in case of MTO (not sure if all those planes were actually used there):

 

Axis: 

Fw 190 A-5

Ju 87 D-5

Hs 129 B-1

Mc. 205

SM-79

 

 

Allies:

Spitfire VIII

Hurricane IId

A-20

P-39 D

Blenheim IV

Edited October 28, 2015 by Matt

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

I would love a plane set that takes place during the invasion of France or Crete. Both of these should include the Ju-52 with paratroopers. That would be something completely new.

 

Or Norway. Damn Norway would be the best. Again Ju-52 with paratroopers. A Fw-200 would also fit in there.

 

But if we are going to stay on the eastern front I'd like to see the Demyansk Pocket together with a Ju-52.

 

Hell I'd take anything as long there is a Ju-52 in it

Edited October 29, 2015 by McKvack

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

One thing that's hard to do is, when you guys say MTO what exactly do you mean by it? Because there was stuff going on there for a lot of years so anything from a Tomahawk to P-38 and even P-47 and P-51 goes if you count Italy and stuff.

 

My personal pick would be Kuban or Kursk like everybody else. I think a lot of stuff needs to be fleshed out before moving away from the Eastern Front. Interestingly enough both battles so far had Zhukov behind the wheel, perhaps Kursk may be next after all. Leningrad is dreamy too, but the plane set is much too wide to pick one.

 

If to bet I'd say we might see a different change in sales model in one way or another, but not immediately. Perhaps more premium planes or plane packs,I don't know. The fact is it gets harder and harder as most planes were in service for some 2 years on average in a war that lasted 6.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I think the a5 should wait til we get to Western Europe (or Kuban/Kursk) but that's just me. I'd put the G6 in before the Fw. Forgot about the three engine Italian bombers. That could be a good add.

 

I really like Trink's choices if we stay in the east. Need to add a Russian transport though.

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

Id love a set with just flyable Ju-52 and Li-2.

 

Lets call it the "Transporter pack". Might throw in some cool features like dropping cargo with chutes, new missions like basic transport where you get different cargo with different weights or missions like medevac etc and maybe even paratroopers. Would bring something new to the table that other aircrafts cant

[gn728]

Well - unless  777 has said something official - and it's just wishing           

 

 

The Finn's plane set in the  Continuation War would be all kinds of imported goodness. A B-239 modeled by these guys would be...way fun

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

I think the next expansion, if post-1942 Eastern Front, is more than likely to have the P-39 - and as a non-premium plane, mind you. It operated in nearly as many numbers as the LaGG-3 (another contestant for a return by the way, no matter how much people may hate it ).

 

Something to keep in mind is that a lot of times we want the top-end variants available at the time (Fw-190A-5, La-5FN and such) but most of the time history holds otherwise. Many Soviet regiments were trucking in their basic La-5s and Yak-1Bs into late 1944, including the famed 240 IAP (later 178 GIAP, where Kozhedub and Evstigneev fought for most of the war) and 812 IAP (one of the 10 best performing VVS regiments). To a lesser extent, Luftwaffe units particularly ones in the north and southern Army Groups also held onto some oldies like the Emil for a good while.

[Y-29.Silky]

RIP Mediterranean 

That would completely skyrocket sales and the IL-2 community.

--

 

Thank's for the pointless camo, and the MC202 which fought in Stalingrad for 5 days before it was sent to the Mediterranean. 

Rather than expanding IL-2 with American/British aircraft and opening the market wholesome, they'll make American/British aircraft for Russia on the yet another Eastern Front battle? For the 17th year of the franchise?

If IL-2 were to go to Italy, you can steal grab the market from 2 new countries, the Americans and the British. 

 

P-38's 

P-47's

B-26's 

Early P-51's or A-36 Apaches

Spitfires

Typhoons

Landcasters? 

And every damn German aircraft that would be added to the Eastern Front anyway.

 

Germany vs Russia is getting old, it's time to move on.

 

You cannot tell me Kursk (mainly a TANK battle) can compete with that.

 

Try me.

 

 

 

I'm not coming to conclusions, I'm just resting my case.

 

Also, I saw a mod recommend this, which is impossible on the Eastern Front of adding colored pilots. Red Tails flew in Italy. Boom. Win for all. And we already have to P-40 to do that.

 

All happened in 1943.

Edited October 29, 2015 by Y-29.Silky

[Original_Uwe]

RIP Mediterranean

That would completely skyrocket sales and the IL-2 community.

--

 

Thank's for the pointless camo, and the MC202 which fought in Stalingrad for 5 days before it was sent to the Mediterranean.

Rather than expanding IL-2 with American/British aircraft and opening the market wholesome, they'll make American/British aircraft for Russia on the yet another Eastern Front battle? For the 17th year of the franchise?

If IL-2 were to go to Italy, you can steal grab the market from 2 new countries, the Americans and the British.

 

P-38's

P-47's

B-26's

Early P-51's or A-36 Apaches

Spitfires

Typhoons

Landcasters?

And every damn German aircraft that would be added to the Eastern Front anyway.

 

Germany vs Russia is getting old, it's time to move on.

 

You cannot tell me Kursk (mainly a TANK battle) can compete with that.

 

Try me.

 

 

I'm not coming to conclusions, I'm just resting my case.

 

Also, I saw a mod recommend this, which is impossible on the Eastern Front of adding colored pilots. Red Tails flew in Italy. Boom. Win for all. And we already have to P-40 to do that.

 

All happened in 1943.

Give that man a beer.

Why on earth would they subject us to another god awful boring russian theatre?

And ya, I'll say it, I want to fly for the good guys. RAF or USAAF.

Edited October 29, 2015 by forsale

[LLv24_Zami]

Nah, I hope they stick on the eastern front for the time being. Plenty of time later for those boring western theaters which we have seen in almost every sim to date. Maybe early MTO after all major battles in the east have been released.   

[6./ZG26_Emil]

If they can do carriers then the MTO would very cool otherwise I'd be ok with one more eastern front pack.

[LukeFF]

 

 

Why on earth would they subject us to another god awful boring russian theatre?

 

...and yet I see two gold bars under your name. It must not be that bad if you're still here. 

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

You may consider eastern front to be boring but you have to remeber theres also a russian comunity that has a different view on the theatres of the "great patriotic war".

 

That said I fear they're (unfortunately) not ready for the move on a completely new theatre yet. If I was to chose I'd definetly say pacific, be it Gaudalcanal, Midway, Iwo Jima, whatever.

 

Some planes I look forward to:

 

US

F6F Hellcat

F4U Corsair

TBF Avenger

TBD Devastator

SBD Dauntless

TBD Helldiver

B-25 Mitchell

B-17 Flying Fortress

 

Japanese

Ki-61 Hien

N1K2 Shiden Kai

G3M

G4M "Betty"

Aichi D3 Val

B5N1 "Kate"

B6N Tenzan

D4Y Suisei

B7A Ryusei

Edited October 29, 2015 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[ITAF_Rani]

We could consider also these kind of scenarios and their planeset heading on in the time:

 

-North Afrika 1941-21( here we have to add only few planes, many we have at moment)

 

-MTO 1943 ( bf109 G6, spitfire mk5 and mk9, P38, Mc205)

 

-Europe (1944 with all American Planes,Fw190 D,Typhoon,)

 

-1945 Pacific Theatre(japanese planes)

 

Only an idea...

[Trinkof]

1942 MTO scénario is a bad idea as a full game : half of the plane set is already here, and some people will just not buy it, and play with what they have. Further more it would be like selling 2 times to the same people, the same aircraft...

 

Secondly, releasing an MTO 1942 without F4, p40 ( because the plane are already here) would be disastrous.

 

The best option I MO would be to release 2 premium plane : spit Vb and Hurricane 2c for example, and release a medium sized stand alone e map, size of veliki luyki ( Bir Hakeim, or portion of El Alamein)

 

This would allow, in a reasonable amount of time to play on MTO, and spit Vb and hurricane were also in lend lease program, so usable on some eastern front scenario.

And we could also play P40 and upcoming P39... +axis plane set

 

 

And don't fool yourselves guys : player and market is in Russia.... Regardless of what nation is represented in game

Edited October 29, 2015 by LAL_Trinkof

[csThor]

[Disclaimer: Personal interpretation ahead]

 

I actually find the mindset that the Eastern Front has to be "suffered" until the series switches to "the real theaters" rather puzzling and somewhat condescending. To me the near-totally tactical nature of the air war and its constantly shifting situations is infinitely more interesting than the same old, same old "Bomber Stream at 30k with Stangs and Jugs aplenty". I mean the gaming industry has done that since it came into being ad finitum, the Eastern Front is still rather "fresh" despite its coverage by the original Il-2 line. I can understand the interest in the MTO (at least the early to mid part over North Africa) as this really hasn't been done yet in an official release, but even here I'd rather have the devs do this properly and not as a quick shot off the hip.

 

So, why the hurry? And why the attitude of "long-suffering pilot in the 'wrong' theater"?

[Saurer]

I would like to see a aircraft pack and not a full theater next.

 

Like an Il4, Hurricane, Ju 87B, IAR 80, early Yak 9 and so on to flesh out Moskau and Stalingrad.

Maybe a Map of a Battle somewhere in between Stalingrad and Moskau to use the planes that we already have

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Unfortunately that has not been their strategy so far. I's very welcome some seperat aircraft and map addon packs, especially for planes that are difficult to utilize with the current "10 (similar) planes per pack" logic (examples: Po-2, Hs 123, I-153, Falco, Ju 52, C-47, ect).

 

Hopefully they'll change their mind about this decision because as Trinkof mentioned they will run into marketing issues if they stick to it (you can't charge customers to by sth twice, yet many planes included in BoM and BoS also appeared on numberous other theatres).

[kendo]

Interesting reply from Han on the Questions thread:

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/7-questions-developers/?p=297257

 

Update 1.104 brought a new level of interaction with the surface... Do you have any future plans to add aircraft that can land on water (e.g. Heinkel He-115), whether flyable or as AI?

 

We have this technology (from RoF), but hydroplanes in WW2... May be one day Catolina for Pacific? May be.

 

Doesn't mean anything at all regarding what the next game actually will be, but interesting all the same.

Edited October 29, 2015 by kendo

[Voidhunger]

Pacific is boring, i hope that is boring to the russian community too.

[=EXPEND=Dendro]

I think with the hint at the tanks we might be looking at Kursk....

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Pacific is boring, i hope that is boring to the russian community too.

Thats your opinion, I hope it's only that for other others too.

[HR_Tumu]

I miss I-153 for Moscu map..... On early stage of war.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

[Disclaimer: Personal interpretation ahead]

 

I actually find the mindset that the Eastern Front has to be "suffered" until the series switches to "the real theaters" rather puzzling and somewhat condescending. To me the near-totally tactical nature of the air war and its constantly shifting situations is infinitely more interesting than the same old, same old "Bomber Stream at 30k with Stangs and Jugs aplenty". I mean the gaming industry has done that since it came into being ad finitum, the Eastern Front is still rather "fresh" despite its coverage by the original Il-2 line. I can understand the interest in the MTO (at least the early to mid part over North Africa) as this really hasn't been done yet in an official release, but even here I'd rather have the devs do this properly and not as a quick shot off the hip.

 

So, why the hurry? And why the attitude of "long-suffering pilot in the 'wrong' theater"?

 

Do you sell this post as a print, poster or similar? I'd like to frame it  

[I./JG1_Deschain]

Give that man a beer.

Why on earth would they subject us to another god awful boring russian theatre?

And ya, I'll say it, I want to fly for the good guys. RAF or USAAF.

 

becouse they are russians...

[Trinkof]

Why people find Russian theater boring? ... I really do not understand...

 

Lot of ground attacking, lively "front" potentially lot of different environnements...

 

And the online battle we have, can be more or less realistic.

 

Playing the same way, on a western theater (except MTO maybe) would just be completely unrealistic....

 

Escorting / attacking B17, guided by radar... Why not but seriously after 50 hours it would be just boring, for real.

 

D-day? 20 Germans versus thousand of allies.... No realistic scenario can emerge from this I a game.

 

Battle of Berlin ?....

 

Battle of France might be somehow interesting.

 

Battle of Britain, already done, and I do not see how a game could render hundreds of bombers in formation etc.... CLOD, even if not bad is way away from anything realistic regarding what really happened during Bob.

 

Pacific could be great, engagement better sized for a pc game of 2015-2016... But if you are already tired of toundra and forest.... The infinite sea....

 

MTO (and italy) would be awesome too, but talking of boring landscape...

Edited October 29, 2015 by LAL_Trinkof

[LLv24_Zami]

Why people find Russian theater boring? ... I really do not understand...

 

Lot of ground attacking, lively "front" potentially lot of different environnements...

 

And the online battle we have, can be more or less realistic.

 

Playing the same way, on a western theater (except MTO maybe) would just be completely unrealistic....

 

Escorting / attacking B17, guided by radar... Why not but seriously after 50 hours it would be just boring, for real.

 

D-day? 20 Germans versus thousand of allies.... No realistic scenario can emerge from this I a game.

 

Battle of Berlin ?....

 

Battle of France might be somehow interesting.

 

Battle of Britain, already done, and I do not see how a game could render hundreds of bombers in formation etc.... CLOD, even if not bad is way away from anything realistic regarding what really happened during Bob.

 

Pacific could be great, engagement better sized for a pc game of 2015-2016... But if you are already tired of toundra and forest.... The infinite sea....

 

MTO (and italy) would be awesome too, but talking of boring landscape...

That pretty much sums it.

[6./ZG26_Custard]

With the inclusion of tanks I think it's going to be Battle of Kursk. I also think those hoping for a PTO are in probably for a long wait. Saying that  though, all you really need in plane sets for North Africa or Med are the Hurricane and maybe throw in the P-39.

[Finkeren]

My money's on Kursk also: Yak-9, La-5F, IL-2M and either IL-4 or A-20 for the VVS. Bf 109G6, Fw 190A5, Hs 129 and posibly Do 217 for the Luftwaffe. P-39 and IAR-80 as premium planes. Add to this a few drivable tanks.

 

As to those claiming, that the Eastern Front is boring, I say this: You're clearly wrong.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Id love a set with just flyable Ju-52 and Li-2.

 

Lets call it the "Transporter pack". Might throw in some cool features like dropping cargo with chutes, new missions like basic transport where you get different cargo with different weights or missions like medevac etc and maybe even paratroopers. Would bring something new to the table that other aircrafts cant

 

I like the idea of a recon/transport aircraft pack.

 

It wouldn't necessarily need to be bound to a specific operation or theater and I'm sure guys like Jcomm would like being able to practice on something a little more "general aviation."

 

I'd buy it even if I didn't fly it - just like with ROF.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Maybe transports will come further down the line once infantry is fleshed out to support the tanks. That way players can deploy paratroopers and the likes, reshuffle troops and such.

 

Hopefully that will be soon so that McKvack can finally have his beloved Ju-52

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

And am I the only guy who would be interested in a Spanish Civil War expansion?

 

LW: Do17, 109 B/D, Hs123

Premium: He112

 

Republic: SB 2M, I-16 T.6, I-15, ?

Premium: ?

Edited October 29, 2015 by Space_Ghost

[Yogiflight]

I would prefer the Kuban more than Kursk, because ten tanks on each side and then say this is the largest tankbattle ever, seems to me not to be the best decission. You can also have tankbattles on the Kuban. And what makes the Kuban interesting in my opinion, is mountains, think about dogfights between the mountains, I liked this very much in 1946. And second advantage over Kursk is the possibilty of torpedo- and Stuka attacks on the blacksea fleet. This could be really fun.

[Beazil]

Early years- Russo/Finnish conflict, Spanish civil war, Battle of France, dare I say BoB, at least this franchise's take on it....

Oh hell, I'm in on whatever the next expansion is.

[EAF19_Marsh]

Rough job using Google Maps and the Moscow Map area

 

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

Maybe transports will come further down the line once infantry is fleshed out to support the tanks. That way players can deploy paratroopers and the likes, reshuffle troops and such.

 

Hopefully that will be soon so that McKvack can finally have his beloved Ju-52

Only then I shall find my inner peace 

[Luger1969]

My money's on Kursk also: Yak-9, La-5F, IL-2M and either IL-4 or A-20 for the VVS. Bf 109G6, Fw 190A5, Hs 129 and posibly Do 217 for the Luftwaffe. P-39 and IAR-80 as premium planes. Add to this a few drivable tanks.

 

As to those claiming, that the Eastern Front is boring, I say this: You're clearly wrong.

I agree with this planeset .... perhaps just la5fn. For future expansions after then la7.