Sternjaeger Posted November 5, 2013 Posted November 5, 2013 yes, but Bongo and I like a good argument ;-)
DD_bongodriver Posted November 5, 2013 Author Posted November 5, 2013 I would say a passenger/jumper refusing to accept the authority of the pilot in command, is in fact a danger to all aboard, and is the one with the ego problem...but anyway lol Cheers Dakpilot simply not doing as you are told is not inherently dangerous, the actions of the skydivers were not dangerous to the aircraft, the pilot simply didn't like them and their antics and wanted to project his authority and was willing to risk injury to the skydivers in order to have the last say, very unprofessional. yes, but Bongo and I like a good argument ;-) Even in the most heated of times we still keep it civil, always good.
Dakpilot Posted November 5, 2013 Posted November 5, 2013 "simply not doing as you are told is not inherently dangerous" In Aviation I have to simply disagree, in a classroom or in a recreation situation that may be so, but for a professional pilot and instructor I find your line of thinking quite unusual.. Cheers Dakpilot
DD_bongodriver Posted November 5, 2013 Author Posted November 5, 2013 "simply not doing as you are told is not inherently dangerous" In Aviation I have to simply disagree, in a classroom or in a recreation situation that may be so, but for a professional pilot and instructor I find your line of thinking quite unusual.. Cheers Dakpilot Look, the guy was there to drop parachutists, the parachutists were doing what parachutists do all the time and safely, this guy just wanted to exert some authority because he is a bit of an egotist, next time you go on a commercial flight and notice 90% of the passengers completely ignoring the safety brief (which is a safety requirement) are you going to stand up and demand the captain comes out and wave his finger at them all?
Sternjaeger Posted November 5, 2013 Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) simply not doing as you are told is not inherently dangerous, the actions of the skydivers were not dangerous to the aircraft, the pilot simply didn't like them and their antics and wanted to project his authority and was willing to risk injury to the skydivers in order to have the last say, very unprofessional. Even in the most heated of times we still keep it civil, always good. excuse me, but how can you even defend such a statement?! First of all how can you ascertain that what the skydivers were doing was not dangerous?! We had one of them almost ripping off a wing strut once! IF the pilot tells you "don't do this, because it's dangerous" or "because I'm not comfortable with this" or "because you have blue eyes", you just do what the pilot tells you to do. Nobody is gonna get hurt if you nudge them off of the landing gear, they are jumping off an aircraft already. And yes, veteran pilots do big smoking holes too, but the lenient behaviour of pilots like the ones on the video causes those accidents normally, my friend's flying is one of the finest I've ever seen, because he is the one in control, making the calls and knowing how to behave in the air, respecting his co-pilot and being able to be a co-pilot as well if necessary. Look, the guy was there to drop parachutists, the parachutists were doing what parachutists do all the time and safely, this guy just wanted to exert some authority because he is a bit of an egotist, next time you go on a commercial flight and notice 90% of the passengers completely ignoring the safety brief (which is a safety requirement) are you going to stand up and demand the captain comes out and wave his finger at them all? obviously you've never flown with skydivers. Edited November 5, 2013 by Sternjaeger
DD_bongodriver Posted November 5, 2013 Author Posted November 5, 2013 (edited) We had one of them almost ripping off a wing strut once! How the F is that even possible, unless it was only held on with duct tape, then I'd say someone else is carrying out dangerous behaviours. excuse me, but how can you even defend such a statement?! Easy, the guy was meant to be giving lifts to skydivers, skydivers climb out onto the airframe all the time, I'm more surprised your pilot wasn't the one not invited back the next day. Now I do agree that the pilot is the commander of the aircraft and the skydivers would have done well to just do as they were told, but the whole idea is like asking airline passengers not to watch the in flight movie and have a beer, dropping skydivers was what he was there to do and just like every other competent jump pilot he should have just let them get on with it and managed the aircraft. Nobody is gonna get hurt if you rock them out of the landing gear, they are jumping off an aircraft already. are you kidding? you go and shake people off the aircraft when they aren't prepared and they could bounce off a part of the aircraft and be knocked out, ludicrous statement. Edited November 5, 2013 by DD_bongodriver
Rama Posted November 5, 2013 Posted November 5, 2013 I think that both of you have valid arguments for a situation presented in a few sentences... but that it all depends on the real situation. You could have an endless debate on a theoretical situation (it will stay theoretical as long it is schematized and not presented extensively with all details). Both of you will stay on his position, since both of you will stay on his own representation of this theoretical situation. So, could you agree to disagree and to avoid to lengthen without necessity a "yes/no" style debate?
DD_bongodriver Posted November 5, 2013 Author Posted November 5, 2013 brilliant, had exactly the same thought.
=BKHZ=Furbs Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 (edited) Age or experience? what sort of duel are we looking at here, swords? hmmmm...pistols at dawn or just naked mud wrestling? Edited November 6, 2013 by =BKHZ=Furbs
SOLIDKREATE Posted November 6, 2013 Posted November 6, 2013 (edited) truly glad they all got out ok, but it kinda begs the question wtf were the pilots thinking?! You're about to drop skydivers, you know your aircraft will lose a lot of weight all of a sudden, is it really a good idea to fly that close to each other?! I guess they forgot their total moment and arm changes, basic weight and balance stuff.......rolls eyes. On the better note, VERY GLAD they made it. It could have been way on the wrong side of worse! Edited November 6, 2013 by Erg./JG54_SPEKTRE
Hunziker Posted November 12, 2013 Posted November 12, 2013 Very interesting to read as an outside party.
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