I wonder what long-range plans TF has in mind for CLoD?

[ATAG_Slipstream]

Meanwhile, as the bickering rages on, hundreds of people are quietly playing CoD TF 4 and having a great time!

 

Last night I flew an online war mission. Nearly a hundred people from all over the world flying together. Seven of us in 110's tasked with escorting a formation of 18 JU88's on an airfield strike to Eastchurch.We took off from Caen, and 15 minutes later triggered the bombers over Le Havre, and then proceeded north out over the channel.At the same time another formation of JU88's was flying low level, and a formation of Stuka's (flown by some guys from Russia!) was also in the air, heading to the target by a differnt route. Three seperate formations, all tasked with hitting one airfield from different heights, and directions, all at the same time.

Me109's (several different squadrons) were already over England, trying to fight a way through the squadrons of RAF fighters tasked to stop us.As we flew in, we could see the fight raging all around us, and see contrails high above of Spitfires about to dive down on our formation.When they did, all hell broke loose, turning and diving, trying to protect the bombers, whilst not getting shot to pieces ourselves! Its a long way back over the channel. A couple of bombers got damaged, and turned back for France, but thanks to a schwarm of 109's diving in to help us we managed to all stay alive and reformed with the bombers, who were turning onto their final waypoint to attack the airfield. As we cruised over, the airfield took a pounding, and we flew on East, out to sea ready for our turn for the journey home.

Suddenly, a Spitfire on my tail! I dive away but take hits on to my engine,and aelerons! My rottenfuehrer drives the attacker away, and I feather the prop, turn the fuel off and shut the engine down, trying for one engine flight to make it home. But it is hopeless, and as I watch the formation fly away, I have to bail out. Luckily I am rescued by ASR, and live to fight another day. That one mission took 2 hours.

I love CoD, have been flying it since day 1, for all its original faults, but now, with TF it is everything I dreamed it could be.

If I can have the same experiences in BoS I shall be a very happy man.

Edited November 4, 2013 by Uther

[LLv44_Mprhead]

Really good to hear that we have still more to look forward in CloD. I hope TF guys have the energy and enthusiasm to keep up the good work.

[=FI=Macca]

Clod was not sold as WIP like nowadays you can buy DCS products KNOWING you are getting s beta at first or like BOS knowing you will participate in alpha or beta testing. It was sold as a half finished product. My pc exceeded minimum requirements, it was recommended rig for mediom settings and i couldn't run it on low settings. So i even couldn't find other bugs... no, not bugs but holes in construction. Gaps. Omissions which were not communicated to customers before they bought the product and paid their hard earned money. That is why i find it offensive towards the community, customers, I felt offended and no matter what words would Ilya post at 1C forums I still am pissed off by the way i was treated by the creators of this piece of ... that was released back then. I purchased it on day one. Big mistake it was ... before that i was so happy about the Battle of Britain theater of ops. I wanted to fly in 303 Sq. But alas, someone took my money and showed me his bottom part. Compare this to RoF and the testing the 777/1C is going to have with BOS.2 different worlds.

So please don't BS about how we should have known it was WIP. I don't see any WIP on the damn box of the gave. Not on the dvd. Even not a word in the manual.

 

I installed the TF patch and will check it out. However without SDK they won't be able to properly fix the game by filling in most of the missing things.

Edited November 4, 2013 by =FI=Macca

[DD_bongodriver]

SDK's are for content creation, nothing to do with fixes, TF are fixing stuff and creating content already without it.

[DD_fruitbat]

All these people who keep talking about the lack of an sdk, are aware that modders for il2 have never had one, hasn't stopped them. Talk about heads in the sand.

[=FI=Macca]

If so than it sounds promising.

[Mysticpuma]

Yes, the lack of an SDK isn't an issue, the source code (or lack of) is the most limiting factor. With the Source Code CloD could be fixed reasonably easily. So if 777 were to name.a price for the Source Code, then it would be interesting to see how things developed

[DD_fruitbat]

Not 777, 1C.

[Mysticpuma]

Oh, okay

 

So if 1c were to offer the Source Code for a price, it would be interesting to see what could be done after that?

 

Cheers, MP

[SYN_Jedders]

Im not sure its for 777 to name a price, Mystic. I imagine the rights are with 1C?....honestly doubt they would want a to enable a product in direct competition with their own new venture either...

 

There is no doubt TF have done great things woth CloD and have saved the title. Lets hope they can continue into a new theatre and aircraft etc.

[DD_fruitbat]

Yeah, i can't see 1C selling the code, since it could/would take revenue from there next cash cow, BoS. I seem to recall IvanK mentioning that there was a last minute attempt to buy the source code when it all went tits up, but 1C said no chance.

 

But yes i agree, it would be fantastic to see TF with the source code, that would really be interesting times!

 

As it is, I am really impressed with what TF are doing, really enjoying TF 4.00.

Edited November 4, 2013 by fruitbat

[Bearcat]

 

@Bearcat.............

 

Whatever man .. I'm done with that portion of the conversation.

 

Really good to hear that we have still more to look forward in CloD. I hope TF guys have the energy and enthusiasm to keep up the good work.

 

Me too...

 

Yes, the lack of an SDK isn't an issue, the source code (or lack of) is the most limiting factor. With the Source Code CloD could be fixed reasonably easily. So if 777 were to name.a price for the Source Code, then it would be interesting to see how things developed

 

By SDK I meant source code.... my error... but the bottom line is from what Buzzsaw said the future looks brighter for CoD .. I for one will look forward to seeing the P-51 modeled in CoD ... maybe ... eventually ..... and perhaps some different maps  ......

 

 

Oh, okay

 

So if 1c were to offer the Source Code for a price, it would be interesting to see what could be done after that?

 

Cheers, MP

[Rama]

Can you show me where it specifically states you are getting a finished game?

Don't be stupid please. Nobody ever sell you anything with the words "Hey, you know what? The product is FINISHED? ain't it incredible and marvelous?" When a product is sold, it is supposed to be finished, except if specifically, clearly and officially precised it is not.

Forum news are what could give you the temptation to buy the product.... but the legal information in the product, nowhere else.

 

Maybe it wasn't the fault of the dev only, maybe it was also the producer(s), maybe there was a bad communication between the two... nobody will ever know the real facts behind... and nobody really care, since the only thing that matter is the result.

 

Now, I'm just saying this to correct your extraordinary claim that CloD was sold as a WIP product (which is wrong, and stay wrong unless you bring the proof there was an official mention on the product)... I don't regret having bought it (since I had no big expectation anyway, when I learned long before the release that Oleg had left the team)... and maybe one day if I have some time I'll give it a try with the TF mods... and maybe I'll will greatly enjoy it.

[ACG_Flyby]

OK, so it's the Source code that's needed. What do i know. i just want Team Fusion to have full access to do whatever it desires so it can continue to develop IL2_Sturmovik-Cliffs of Dover. It's done such a great job up to this point that I think it deserves the opportunity. To quote old Winnie: "give us the tools and we'll finish the job." Only I hope TF never finishes! 

 

So if you are all fans of CLoD I hope you can set aside your different views and get behind that one sentiment. Isn't that why you're here? Yes Uther, it's a beautiful thing to see so many virtual combat pilots flying CLoD online. 

Flyby out

[DD_fruitbat]

Again, its not all doom and gloom without source code, modders for il2 have never had the source code either (except for TeamD I believe), and they've done alright. As have Team Fusion so far.....

 

Its just obviously a lot harder.....

Edited November 4, 2013 by fruitbat

[Bearcat]

OK, so it's the Source code that's needed. What do i know. i just want Team Fusion to have full access to do whatever it desires so it can continue to develop IL2_Sturmovik-Cliffs of Dover. It's done such a great job up to this point that I think it deserves the opportunity. To quote old Winnie: "give us the tools and we'll finish the job." Only I hope TF never finishes! 

 

So if you are all fans of CLoD I hope you can set aside your different views and get behind that one sentiment. Isn't that why you're here? Yes Uther, it's a beautiful thing to see so many virtual combat pilots flying CLoD online. 

Flyby out

 

The tension about CoD has just about died down to a resonable level.. the debate if you can call it that in this thread was over a specific subject and AFAIC is over..

 

Again, its not all doom and gloom without source code, modders for il2 have never had the source code either (except for TeamD I believe), and they've done alright. As have Team Fusion so far.....

 

Its just obviously a lot harder.....

 

 

All the more reason why their work is praiseworthy.. Kinda reminds me of that Mother Theresa quote...

 

We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, with so little, for so long, we are now qualified to do anything, with nothing.

[Feathered_IV]

....honestly doubt they would want a to enable a product in direct competition with their own new venture either...

I wouldn't be surprised if they would. Although I suspect they'd see it as a last chance to recover some of the lost millions of dollars they sunk into the project. The asking price would likely be astronomical.

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

CLOD at release...half crap, half great.

 

CLOD now...almost all great!...a tiny bit crap, maybe 10%

 

 

Ok....If i control TF in a north Korean dictator sort of way, i would have them working on the only 2 things that still annoy me about CLOD(its not that much of a big deal)...

 

LOD's 

 

I know TF have made improvements here but its still not where it should be for modern sim, stil affecting spotting and keeping track of planes, maybe its better for others but for me its still not right and it still affects my enjoyment.

 

FSAA

 

Its not as good as it should be, for me it affects the great visuals and models of CLOD, i get about 2.5X FSAA with a bit of AA from SweetFX thrown in, if we could get better FSAA it would be the cherry on the cake for me.

 

CLOD right now is where i expected it to be at release, i cant praise TF enough for the stunning work they have done, a real service to the flight sim community, what they have fixed or improved has allowed the already great bits of CLOD to shine and not be over shadowed by the very poor bits, its very playable and well worth the effort, and things should keep getting better!

 

S! TF  more please.

 

@Bliss i hope you give BOS the same time to get anything finished and improved as you have CLOD.

Edited November 5, 2013 by =BKHZ=Furbs

[ATAG_Slipstream]

TBH for some people its never going to be good enough. I personally have zero issues with lods or AA now, and I suspect that the vast majority of people who are playing don't either.

Then again, I was playing and enjoying CoD on a Q6600/GTX 285 when others with overclocked  i5 2500ks were saying it was unplayable.Go figure!

[DD_bongodriver]

Same here, I only had a GTX 285 on clods release and it ran pretty well on max settings and getting better with each patch.

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

PM sent Uther.

[ACG_Flyby]

TBH for some people its never going to be good enough. 

That's true of so many things in life. I know people like that. They always find something to b*tch about no matter how good a (particular) thing may be. There is no pleasing them because the only pleasure they need is the self-gratification that comes from b*tching. A lobotomy would fix them, but it's better to just ignore them and continue on with your life. As I continue onward, I'm looking forward to my next TF fix. Does that make me a TF junkie? 

Flyby out

Edited November 5, 2013 by FlybyFlyby

[ATAG_Slipstream]

. Does that make me a TF junkie? 

Flyby out

Yes    I am looking forward to this time next year, when I will be playing CoD TF v5 or v6, BoS, or its sequel, and Star Citizen! The future is very bright sim/game wise for me currently, there just won't be enough free hours in the day!

Edited November 5, 2013 by Uther

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

Dont forget Elite Dangerous Uther, that looks pretty good as well, less hype than SC but im getting a feeling it will be just as good.

[DD_bongodriver]

Yes, elite dangerous does look pretty interesting.

[ATAG_Slipstream]

Will have to have a look. Cost wise the money I have spent so far is SC > BoS > CoD

I'm in more for SC than BoS, and not seen much of anything yet. Some people are in 15k, and people complain about $90 here. CoD cost me well under $40 IIRC.

[thx1138]

 

@Bearcat

 

"I'm in my own world" 

 

How nice of you.  Just so you know the definition of WIP, straight from the dictionary.  A word that was repeated for years on end by the developers.

 

 

 

You can twist it anyway you want.  You can call me names.  Do your worst or w/e you feel like to puff your chest.  But that still doesn't stop the "fact" that this phrase was a constant in virtually every update, and it's definition is pretty easy to understand.  And when you are dealing with software, even a simpleton would probably be able to use a bit of logic and realize that software that isn't finished, probably won't work 100% right.

 

Many people played the sim at release and right up to it's current form.  I guess all those people were crazy right?  Maybe they all got a different version than everyone esle that worked?  It was full of bugs.  It had levers going the wrong direction.  It even had old IL2 sounds for a while.  But there was people still playing it everyday, and there still is.  The way and others speak is if it's the worst thing ever created.  That's what I don't understand.  If it truly was a disaster, there wouldn't have remained the number of players playing it, let alone the 3rd party coming into effect.  Because reality is it's quite good, and always has been.   

 

 

 

Yeah, but for people like me who never read the forums I thought I was getting a working game. I guess it kinda worked... But not the way I was expecting...

 

I just yesterday got it patched to TF 4, and even on medium settings WoW ! Team Fusion did an amazing job ! makes me want to upgrade my computer which I can't do for a long while now sadly. (feeding horses more important sorry)