DD_bongodriver Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 They did not force anything - they made an investment in CloD and did not get a good return. Instead of losing more money they shut down development. Its simple economics. No one said one feature killed CloD - its clear that the develpopment team did not have the resources (whether that was skill, money, time, or desire) to create their vision of CloD. They made a wise business descision not to throw more money on development and risk losing that money on top of what they already lost. Exactly, and it is the buying public that dictates how much return is made, obviously the public had 0 patience, forgetting that just about every flight sim title ever released was buggy at the beginning and din't give COD the fair shot it deserved.
Mac_Messer Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 Gents, enough with CloD now, please? If you want ppl here to stop talking about CloD at all then you`re a dreamer. Both RoF and CloD will be mentioned hundreds of times as people want to get the best of two of those sims. I wholeheartedly agree that this project doesn`t in any way deserve to be torpedoed at this stage. IMO if one considers himself a real CloD fan, he should concentrate on voicing his concerns in the most constructive manner possible. And that should be made absolutely regardless of the fact that some of the poeple from the CloD community are actually happy that CloD failed. 1
DD_bongodriver Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) I think that 'for this community to succeed' we have to stop talking about 'sides', for a start. Though long term, success will depend on what 1C-777 can do, rather than on us. Of course, now that the church of ROF has been vindicated us mere COD supporting peasants should just shut up and assimilate. Edited December 16, 2012 by bongodriver
Krupi Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 They made a wise business descision not to throw more money on development and risk losing that money on top of what they already lost. I know this, that doesn't make me happy with the decision but there is nothing I could have done to change that, that is why I am here now. Progress does not always get the returns it deserves...
Revvin Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 It may not be everything you want in its final release but this could be the kickstart of a franchise and lead to updates like DX11 in the future and clickable cockpits. RoF has evolved a lot over the years and I hope this new IL-2 will too with features that everyone can enjoy.
Krupi Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 If you want ppl here to stop talking about CloD at all then you`re a dreamer. Both RoF and CloD will be mentioned hundreds of times as people want to get the best of two of those sims. I wholeheartedly agree that this project doesn`t in any way deserve to be torpedoed at this stage. IMO if one considers himself a real CloD fan, he should concentrate on voicing his concerns in the most constructive manner possible. And that should be made absolutely regardless of the fact that some of the poeple from the CloD community are actually happy that CloD failed. +1
Rjel Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 I was never a fan of the Ban Hammer before. After this thread I hope if falls swiftly. And often.
DD_fruitbat Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 Its an easy situation, just set your expectations low. All I'm expecting is il2 1946 bolted onto the RoF engine. I'll still buy that, cause its the only thing on the horizon, and i like il2 and have no problem with how RoF looks. If they do more than that it will then be a nice and welcome surprise. Time will tell. 3
Force10 Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) I actually feel the opposite. I sort of see completely through jaggies and actually think they are no problem at all at a resolution of 1920x1080. None of my movies are made with AA on, and nobody seems to notice. The subtle lighting effects in CoD, on the other hand, are indeed perhaps subtle, but when you first have tried the rich visual tapestry of shadows and reflections constantly shimmering across the cockpit it is really hard to go back to more "sterile" and computer-like visuals. Just my opinion and I totally understand that other people have a different opinion, but I don't think we can generalise about "one thing being better than the other". I can understand your point of view Frey....based on your videos, you never leave the cockpit. I run at 1920X1080 as well and the lack of AA isn't as noticeable inside the cockpit. I love looking at the excellent renders of the planes from external views, flyby view being one of my faves. The external views are where the lack of AA is in your face and a turn off. One of my favorite threads for any sim is the screenshots threads...imagine how boring they would be if all the screenshots were from inside the cockpit only? I also like reading aar threads that tell a story with plenty of external shots of planes and targets...also videos that are made "Hollywood" style with lots of action shown outside the plane. These type of screenies and vids are where seeing jaggies are a big turn off. If you never leave the cockpit....not much of an issue. Maybe we can agree different styles of play will have different needs on the DX11 vs AA debate. Edited December 16, 2012 by Force10
=BKHZ=Tree_UK Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 Well personally I am feeling very positive about this project, during the CLOD development I sent numerous pm's to Luthier with thoughts and ideas, he never once replied to any, I sent Jason a pm with some thoughts and he replied the very same day. CLOD is dead, its a shame but thats just the way it is, the future of WW2 flight sims is right here, no point getting our knickers in a twist until we start to see some pic's or video footage. But I would like to wish them the best of luck. 4
Hunty Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 Pffft!! we are about to wait 1 year for nothing more than a patch to ROF to make it a WWII sim And you had the nerve to call me a troll. :D
DD_bongodriver Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 And you had the nerve to call me a troll. :D it doesn't take nerve, it's a fact.
Hunty Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 Well personally I am feeling very positive about this project, during the CLOD development I sent numerous pm's to Luthier with thoughts and ideas, he never once replied to any, I sent Jason a pm with some thoughts and he replied the very same day. CLOD is dead, its a shame but thats just the way it is, the future of WW2 flight sims is right here, no point getting our knickers in a twist until we start to see some pic's or video footage. But I would like to wish them the best of luck. Yeah i think Jason is a top bloke he comes in teamspeak and flys with us on New wings.
=IRFC=Jorri Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 Bongo it's obvious that you have a grudge but what are you wanting to achieve? Don't say you're just voicing a concern because every single one of your posts is loaded with sarcasm and vile. If you want those who have joint here from the ROF forums to be less judgemental, try to start with yourself, otherwise you'll only be dealing in self fulfilling prophesies.
DD_bongodriver Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 Bongo it's obvious that you have a grudge but what are you wanting to achieve? Don't say you're just voicing a concern because every single one of your posts is loaded with sarcasm and vile. If you want those who have joint here from the ROF forums to be less judgemental, try to start with yourself, otherwise you'll only be dealing in self fulfilling prophesies. Mainly because people like you are all over me like white on rice if I say anything.
=IRFC=Jorri Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 ...that wouldn't be the case if you weren't so offensive and sarcastic in your posts. Anyway I made my point, and I'll leave it there.
DD_bongodriver Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 ...that wouldn't be the case if you said stuff I wanted to hear. Anyway I'm chuffed to bits with myself, and I'll leave it there. fixed that for you.
=IRFC=Jorri Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) Thanks! Edited December 16, 2012 by hq_Jorri
GOAT-ACEOFACES Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 ...that wouldn't be the case if you weren't so offensive and sarcastic in your posts. Anyway I made my point, and I'll leave it there.offensive.. Did I miss something? Did bongo accuse 777 of lying about something? If so, bad bongo! Nice to see you taking a stand Jorri wrt those offensive types of posts!
=IRFC=Jorri Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) And happy new year to you! Thanks. I hope so, the last new year underdelivered with regards to what was promised. Still, one has to be optimistic In the end you have to make due with what you get. (irony mode off) You too Edited December 16, 2012 by hq_Jorri
DD_bongodriver Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 Thanks. I hope so, the last new year underdelivered with regards to what was promised. Still, one has to be optimistic In the end you have to make due with what you get. (irony mode off) You too Aww...you see, thats not nice, could have just ended with some heartfelt seasonal good will and you just had to have another little stab in the back.
GOAT-ACEOFACES Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 Thanks.No thank you! . I hope so, the last new year underdelivered with regards to what was promised.Promised? Really, do tell! Sometimes it helps to get it off your chest to talk about it! So, what was it Santa promised you and he failed to deliver? Promotion at work? New car? Bigger house? Tell us, we are all ears here and more than able to help you find that silver lining! . Still, one has to be optimistic In the end you have to make due with what you get.So true!
startrekmike Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 Mainly because people like you are all over me like white on rice if I say anything. Don't act like the victim now that someone is calling you out on your behavior. All through this thread your intentions are clearly not to just "express concern", you go out of your way to antagonize and insult other users, you keep repeating the same arguments and ignore or insult those who offer you answers to those concerns no matter how reasonable or angry they are and you have the nerve to play the oppressed victim when someone calls you out on it. Look, I get what you are saying and I won't tell you that you are right or wrong but I can say that after looking at all of your posts on this thread alone that you clearly don't care if this sim is good or not, you have already made a choice to not just "voice concern" but to ignore anyone who addresses it in a reasonable manner and instead reply with sarcasm and anger. We all know where you stand, you have "expressed your concerns" all over the place and we all know it by heart at this point, the developers have no doubt seen your posts and they know what they are going to do about them so there is simply no reason to keep it up. If you want others to stop being "all over you" than maybe you should stop trying so hard to get that kind of attention, you clearly want others to be angry at you but act like the victim when someone calls you out, such schoolyard behavior does nothing to help the development of a sim and simply has no place here. If you wanna troll, go on 4chan or reddit. 1
DD_bongodriver Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 Don't act like the victim now that someone is calling you out on your behavior. All through this thread your intentions are clearly not to just "express concern", you go out of your way to antagonize and insult other users, you keep repeating the same arguments and ignore or insult those who offer you answers to those concerns no matter how reasonable or angry they are and you have the nerve to play the oppressed victim when someone calls you out on it. Look, I get what you are saying and I won't tell you that you are right or wrong but I can say that after looking at all of your posts on this thread alone that you clearly don't care if this sim is good or not, you have already made a choice to not just "voice concern" but to ignore anyone who addresses it in a reasonable manner and instead reply with sarcasm and anger. We all know where you stand, you have "expressed your concerns" all over the place and we all know it by heart at this point, the developers have no doubt seen your posts and they know what they are going to do about them so there is simply no reason to keep it up. If you want others to stop being "all over you" than maybe you should stop trying so hard to get that kind of attention, you clearly want others to be angry at you but act like the victim when someone calls you out, such schoolyard behavior does nothing to help the development of a sim and simply has no place here. If you wanna troll, go on 4chan or reddit. Oh god here we go, another one....
GOAT-ACEOFACES Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 Oh god here we go, another one....Bongo.. I think your going about this all wrong! You should not express your concerns with the direction of 777 wrt BoS.. Nor should you question their decisions about sticking with DX9.. You have to be more bold to be loved! Even if you don't mean it, simply accuse the 777 development team of lying to you and or breaking a promise! Based on others doing such, you should expect to see dozens of people lining up to support you actions! (irony mode off)
startrekmike Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 Oh god here we go, another one.... I imagine you are going to see more with your attitude but that is your own choice in the end.
DD_bongodriver Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 I imagine you are going to see more with your attitude but that is your own choice in the end. Oh I have no doubt, people never seem to appreciate the way I deliver the truth....never mind, you could just put me on ignore of course.
=IRFC=Jorri Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 Aww...you see, thats not nice, could have just ended with some heartfelt seasonal good will and you just had to have another little stab in the back. You're right, there was no need for that, I apologise.
startrekmike Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 Oh I have no doubt, people never seem to appreciate the way I deliver the truth....never mind, you could just put me on ignore of course. There is a wide chasm between supposition and fact, all of your complaints are based on personal opinion or theory.
DD_bongodriver Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 There is a wide chasm between supposition and fact, all of your complaints are based on personal opinion or theory. Then you have no reason to worry yourself about it do you, I'm just a crazy rambling fool and can do no harm.
vl6 Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 Guys, bongodriver and ACEOFACES are trolls, and the worst kind: the ones that really think that they are helping and not trolling. They don't want to be trolls but they are, it's their species and we can't change that.I know it's hard to ignore the agressive attitude of bongodriver , and the loooooong replies of ACEOFACES filled with self-answered questions, but we have to try. It's useless to argue with them and their friends, and doing so just destroy other people topics (like this one).Not going to aswer anything related to this subject anymore, so don't expect fight. And (almost forgot) merry Christmas 5
GOAT-ACEOFACES Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 You're right, there was no need for that, I apologise.No hard feelings Jorri! I took it more playful than mean! I hope you take my reply to it in the same! S! Guys, bongodriver and ACEOFACES are trolls, and the worst kind: the ones that really think that they are helping and not trolling. They don't want to be trolls but they are, it's their species and we can't change that. I know it's hard to ignore the agressive attitude of bongodriver , and the loooooong replies of ACEOFACES filled with self-answered questions, but we have to try. It's useless to argue with them and their friends, and doing so just destroy other people topics (like this one). Not going to aswer anything related to this subject anymore, so don't expect fight. And (almost forgot) merry Christmas You really need to PM Krupi or Uther so they can show you how to make use of the ignore feature of this forum! 1
=IRFC=Jorri Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 No hard feelings Jorri! I took it more playful than mean! I hope you take my reply to it in the same! S! You really need to PM Krupi or Uther so they can show you how to make use of the ignore feature of this forum! Definitely! But Bongo was right to call me out on it. I still do agree with Mike, though.
DD_bongodriver Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 Guys, bongodriver and ACEOFACES are trolls, and the worst kind: the ones that really think that they are helping and not trolling. They don't want to be trolls but they are, it's their species and we can't change that. I know it's hard to ignore the agressive attitude of bongodriver , and the loooooong replies of ACEOFACES filled with self-answered questions, but we have to try. It's useless to argue with them and their friends, and doing so just destroy other people topics (like this one). Not going to aswer anything related to this subject anymore, so don't expect fight. And (almost forgot) merry Christmas +1 and voted up
GOAT-ACEOFACES Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 (edited) Definitely! But Bongo was right to call me out on it.Agreed, I just want to let you know I didn't take it as mean, I guess it could be seen as such, but I like to give people the benifit of the doubt! . I still do agree with Mike, though. You mean where mike said this.. . There is a wide chasm between supposition and fact, all of your complaints are based on personal opinion or theoryI really don't see how that applies to anything Bongo said.. But I do see where it does apply to other memebers here wrt other topics. Mater of fact I think Ill have to nic this (cut-n-paste) the next time that topic comes up! Edited December 16, 2012 by ACEOFACES
71st_AH_Hooves Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 Man im gonna pee in the wheaties and drop this in here lol.. I just played the new patch of War Thunder on full real. that game looks FRICKEN AMAZING. And it was a fun bit to play for awhile. I hope BoS can resemble some of the stuff I just saw watching a replay in WT. it is breath taking for screen shots. Terrible everything else, but Absolutely lovely looking!
Hunty Posted December 16, 2012 Posted December 16, 2012 Guys, bongodriver and ACEOFACES are trolls, and the worst kind: the ones that really think that they are helping and not trolling. They don't want to be trolls but they are, it's their species and we can't change that. I know it's hard to ignore the agressive attitude of bongodriver , and the loooooong replies of ACEOFACES filled with self-answered questions, but we have to try. It's useless to argue with them and their friends, and doing so just destroy other people topics (like this one). Not going to aswer anything related to this subject anymore, so don't expect fight. And (almost forgot) merry Christmas But this is the sort of bitching that happened all the time on the banana forums i suppose they had to entertain themselves somehow waiting for CLOD to be fixed.
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