Heavy Bomber DLC- Would You Pay ?

[SAG]

Hey guys, i was thinking that having heavy bombers and 4 engine bombers would be a great addition to BoX

 

i understand that these type of aircraft would be significantly harder to develop and that is why i want to ask the community if they would be willing to pay for a DLC that included a heavy bomber for each side? (VVS-Germans)

 

I know i would!! :D

 

and as far as suggestions go maybe the  Pe-8 and Heinkel 177?

 

what do you guys think?

 

Pe-8

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qepsc3PmpNc

 

 

He-177

 

 

 

The type eventually matured into a usable design, but too late in the war to play an important role. It was built and used in some numbers, especially on the Eastern Front where its range was particularly useful. It is noted for its use in mass raids on Velikiye Luki in 1944, one of the few late-war heavy bombing efforts by the Luftwaffe. It saw considerably less use on the Western Front, although it played a role during the late-war Operation Steinbock, or "baby blitz", against the UK.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lets listen to what the community has to say about this idea!

 

 

 

:D

[L3Pl4K]

I would buy.

[Dutch2]

I would go for a:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_TB-3

[VonMarts]

yes, i buy it

[Brano]

Not untill game engine is upgraded to run FM calculations on separate CPU thread.We have quite large hit on performance with 2 engine AI aircrafts. I cant imagine what would come out of 4-engine bomber.Slide show,most probably 

[Finkeren]

Would I buy it, if it was made available, but I don't think it would be a proper allocation of resources for development.

 

Both planes were used in limited numbers and flew comparatively few missions. Time could be better spent modelling light and medium bombers that saw a lot of action on the Eastern Front (IL-4, Tu-2, Do 217, Su-2 etc)

 

Btw: If we're talking 4 engined bombers on the Eastern Front, you'd be hard pressed to find candidates other than the He 177 and Pe 8, that saw any kind of meaningful service.

[BMA_FlyingShark]

I would buy.

 

Would I buy it, if it was made available, but I don't think it would be a proper allocation of resources for development.

Both planes were used in limited numbers and flew comparatively few missions. Time could be better spent modelling light and medium bombers that saw a lot of action on the Eastern Front (IL-4, Tu-2, Do 217, Su-2 etc)

Btw: If we're talking 4 engined bombers on the Eastern Front, you'd be hard pressed to find candidates other than the He 177 and Pe 8, that saw any kind of meaningful service.

Maybe there will be other theaters in the future where bombers like the B17 or Lancaster or B24 played an important role.

 

[BraveSirRobin]

Everyone is willing to pay until they find out the price.

Not untill game engine is upgraded to run FM calculations on separate CPU thread.We have quite large hit on performance with 2 engine AI aircrafts. I cant imagine what would come out of 4-engine bomber.Slide show,most probably 

 

I think the performance issues are due to AI gunners and not number of engines.

[Finkeren]

Maybe there will be other theaters in the future where bombers like the B17 or Lancaster or B24 played an important role.

 

At the moment this sim is not geared to portray the daylight bombing campaign over Western Europe. It can hardly handle a dozen twin engined medium bombers at a time. Therefore it's great that the devs chose to focus on the Eastern Front, where the small formations make more sense.

Maybe years out in the future, (when we've moved to 64 bit) but right now heavy bombers will be wasted on this sim. We are better off moving to the Mediterrainean or Pacific if (heaven forbid) we have to leave the Great Patriotic War anytime soon.

[SAG]

I would go for a:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_TB-3

 

 

 

it would be awesome to be able to carry two I-16s  from the wings of this plane :D

[Matt]

I doubt that the'll add another Pe-2 next or that they'll stop adding bombers, so both the Pe-8 and He 177 are not really unlikely choices, if they fit the next expansion timeframe (and if we get a next expansion in the first place).

 

Working on two heavy bombers on their own, without any new theatre and map, is not something i'm expecting, because that doesn't seem to be the way they want to handle things. And it would definately delay the release of another big expansion.

 

The problem i see with heavy bombers, is that they are pretty performance heavy and simulating a historically sized formation is not something the current engine is good at.

[BMA_FlyingShark]

 

 

Maybe years out in the future

That's what I meant.

 

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Heavy bombers weren't that used in the east, and there are medium designs which were more relevant like the DB-3/Il-4 series, the Do-217, the SB, the Blenheim used by the Finns, the Yer-2, the Boston/A-20/DB-7, B-25, Tu-2... I probably forgot some.

 

The Il-4 in particular is an unsung hero, it was the third side of the Soviet 'workhorse bomber triangle' with the Il-2 and the Pe-2. It could bomb and use torpedoes too and it did so well.

[SvAF/F19_Klunk]

pe8 sure..il4 even better

Edited October 1, 2015 by SvAF/F19_Klunk

[Uriah]

It can hardly handle a dozen twin engined medium bombers at a time.

I am assuming that given the size of the map and the level of graphics that some other thing as to be limited. I suppose if the graphics were less stunning and the battle area was smaller we could have more planes in the air.

 

Do I have the right idea?

 

And to stay on topic, I would pay $20 for each bomber.

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

I would but i would much rather see the Fw-200 Condor before He-117.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

Heavy bombers weren't that used in the east, and there are medium designs which were more relevant like the DB-3/Il-4 series, the Do-217, the SB, the Blenheim used by the Finns, the Yer-2, the Boston/A-20/DB-7, B-25, Tu-2... I probably forgot some.

 

The Il-4 in particular is an unsung hero, it was the third side of the Soviet 'workhorse bomber triangle' with the Il-2 and the Pe-2. It could bomb and use torpedoes too and it did so well.

 

Some great choices there

 

I'd pay for any add on they produce as long as it's not 1946+ fantasy stuff.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Not untill game engine is upgraded to run FM calculations on separate CPU thread.

 

-snip-

 

This.

 

Also, I would rather pay for a recon/transport/heavy bomber expansion... Storch, flyable Ju-52, He 177, Fw 198, Fw 200, Hs 123, etc.

Heavy bombers weren't that used in the east, and there are medium designs which were more relevant like the DB-3/Il-4 series, the Do-217, the SB, the Blenheim used by the Finns, the Yer-2, the Boston/A-20/DB-7, B-25, Tu-2... I probably forgot some.

 

The Il-4 in particular is an unsung hero, it was the third side of the Soviet 'workhorse bomber triangle' with the Il-2 and the Pe-2. It could bomb and use torpedoes too and it did so well.

 

See, that's practically a whole expansion's worth of planes. 

Edited October 1, 2015 by Space_Ghost

[BraveSirRobin]

And to stay on topic, I would pay $20 for each bomber.

 

Premium fighters are $20.  4 engine bombers would probably be closer to $40-50

[EAF19_Marsh]

SB, Do-17 and IL-4 might be better use of time ove the next 12 months, maybe. With a map covering the Rostov area and the wider Kursk / Karkov area and / or Kursk / Smolensk plus P-39, Hurri, I-153 and 1943 versions of the current aircaft set (I know - it's a lot) plus the Murmasnk map you would have a 1941-44 sim.

But if the team keep up their current enthusiasm and effort then 4-mot at some stage could work

[Feathered_IV]

If Murmansk is on the way, an Fw-200 would be an appropriate choice perhaps. However I'd much rather see recon, transport and communications aircraft added to expand the number of things you can actually do in the sim.

Edited October 2, 2015 by Feathered_IV

[SAG]

I just think that they can try out different approches in different expansions rather than the (proven to work) 5 planes per faction and map on every release. thats why i chose to say "DLC" instead of Bo(insert theater here).

 

perhaps multicrew aircraft could encourage more teamplay as well as target oriented missions on MP and SP, which is what most hardcore players want (think online wars :D )

 

i understand the limitations of current DX9 but improvements can be made. 

 

 

just a little food for thought! :D

 

 

S!

Edited October 2, 2015 by SAG

[Finkeren]

I just think that they can try out different approches in different expansions rather than the (proven to work) 5 planes per faction and map on every release. thats why i chose to say "DLC" instead of Bo(insert theater here).

 

perhaps multicrew aircraft could encourage more teamplay as well as target oriented missions on MP and SP, which is what most hardcore players want (think online wars :D )

 

i understand the limitations of current DX9 but improvements can be made.

 

 

just a little food for thought! :D

 

 

S!

This I totally agree with. I just don't think 4-engined bombers would be the right way to go for a DLC.

[Blooddawn1942]

In the long run, a 4 engined heavy bomber would be very interesting and something I would definetly pay for.

But right know we need more medium Bombers and a recon plane for each side. And after a third eastern front theater with an 1944 planeset a new theater.

And then let us revive this topic here again.

[F/JG300_Gruber]

I would pay.

[LLv44_Mprhead]

Not untill game engine is upgraded to run FM calculations on separate CPU thread.We have quite large hit on performance with 2 engine AI aircrafts. I cant imagine what would come out of 4-engine bomber.Slide show,most probably 

+1

[Dutchvdm]

If Murmansk is on the way, an Fw-200 would be an appropriate choice perhaps. However I'd much rather see recon, transport and communications aircraft added to expand the number of things you can actually do in the sim.

 

This! I would rather see recon planes like the FW-189 and Po-2. Or more version's of the current planes. We could use a Ju-87R for the moscow map.

[xvii-Dietrich]

If Murmansk is on the way, an Fw-200 would be an appropriate choice perhaps. However I'd much rather see recon, transport and communications aircraft added to expand the number of things you can actually do in the sim.

 

I agree completely.

 

We need more operational variety before we add nuance on existing types.

 

My personal preference would be an He 115 seaplane (esp. the torpedo-bomber variant) and an increase of lake/maritime patrols on a Murmansk map.

[JG4_Sputnik]

Heavy bombers?

#wouldbuy!!

[JG_Meyer]

Yup

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

While I agree on heavy bombers being fun the game is just not suited to this type of aircraft yet. BoS is by no means optimised for high altitude bombardments nor does it have the scale to make the use of heavy bombers valuable compared to medium bombers. Later one could be a real game breaker (no chance to climb to alt -> heavy bomber becomes easy prey and abusive for "gunshipping").

 

The only types employed in numbers by the Luftwaffe were the Fw 200 and He 177 / 277 while the VVS developed a variety of heavy bombers to target Berlin (TB-3, Yer-2, Pe-8).

 

No saying I'm all against heavy bombers, but that they should be implemented properly and with great attention to their gameplay.

Edited October 2, 2015 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[JG300_Olrik]

I probably would.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

Would defo buy but after reading 5tukas post I kinda agree BoS is not set up for real high level bombing.

 

Take the way targets pop in to view at the last min even from medium alt.... A lot would need to change to implement it properly

Edited October 2, 2015 by [TBC]AeroACE

[71st_AH_Hooves]

I'd buy, but would like the Pacific with torpedoes bombers first.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

While I agree on heavy bombers being fun the game is just not suited to this type of aircraft yet. BoS is by no means optimised for high altitude bombardments nor does it have the scale to make the use of heavy bombers valuable compared to medium bombers. 

 

-snip-

 

Things like scalability would improve with a separated physics thread. Or the future possibility of engine overhauls (DirectX, x64, etc.)...

 

A lot is possible, really... It's just a matter of execution.

[[DBS]El_Marta]

The more bombers the better. Apart from the He 177 I would think of Dornier 17 /217.

Edited October 2, 2015 by [DBS]El_Marta

[simplyjames]

I'll buy any plane honestly I love this sim. But in my personal perfect world, a heavy bomber would be best in a different theater. Something like the american bombers (b25, b17, b24) or some of the japanese bombers. I know for a fact if there was a b25 or b17 i could talk a few buddies into buying this game. 

[Livai]

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Premium Planes are DLC. DLC sometimes unbalance the Game. We get heavy Bombers but not now. Just wait for Battle of Kursk, Battle of Berlin, Battle of.........................

After BoM development ends the next one starts. And this is sure

 

There are no heavy Bombers because there is no reason to create one for this theatre. Maybe the next one need some.

 

 

 

 

[Y-29.Silky]

At the moment this sim is not geared to portray the daylight bombing campaign over Western Europe. It can hardly handle a dozen twin engined medium bombers at a time. Therefore it's great that the devs chose to focus on the Eastern Front, where the small formations make more sense.

Maybe years out in the future, (when we've moved to 64 bit) but right now heavy bombers will be wasted on this sim. We are better off moving to the Mediterrainean or Pacific if (heaven forbid) we have to leave the Great Patriotic War anytime soon.

It can handle it. Early war that is. The B-17s had a formations of only a few flights going to certain places in 1942-43.

 

IL-2 has already covered the Pacific, Mediterranean would be nice but they already covered UK in BoB.

 

USAAF gets no love.

 

Playing IL-2 since 2001 I can tell you one thing, I am getting tired of the Eastern Front.

Edited October 2, 2015 by Y-29.Silky

[TP_Jacko]

No interest from myself. They tend to be big targets.