Flying the P-40

[6./ZG26_Emil]

Quick video to show off the P-40

 

The engine sound on start up is amazing imho.

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5DdvlFUzME

[Lusekofte]

Love it, read a lot about it, and quite how I imagined it would be in this game. Fought a bit with in in QMB against a 190 . The 190 did not take advantage of speed and I manage to get inside him. I think it is modeled quite well compared to its opponents  

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[6./ZG26_Emil]

Landing the P-40. If you have a better way of doing it I would love to know because this beast is hard to land :D

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHFEoAEUOT8

[Finkeren]

That's a pretty good landing  I have three-pointed the Hawk on a few occasions, but I can't do it reliably. But honestly, I don't see the need to either. Two-pointers at a bit higher speed works just as well and the good news about the P-40 is, that the undercarriage is quite damage resistant and can take a lot of bouncing without breaking.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

That's a pretty good landing  I have three-pointed the Hawk on a few occasions, but I can't do it reliably. But honestly, I don't see the need to either. Two-pointers at a bit higher speed works just as well and the good news about the P-40 is, that the undercarriage is quite damage resistant and can take a lot of bouncing without breaking.

 

Yeh I've found any attempt to 3 point it seems to create a bigger bounce. Also the bounces appear to be bigger in cockpit to what they really are when you view from externals.

[6./ZG26_Custard]

3 pointer for me equals big bounce   and as stated the 2 pointer seems best way to go. 

[Mungee]

Gee, I'm really battling to land the P-40 without big bounces - with prop-strikes etc!

 

I must say I found the LaGG-3 difficult to land, but the P-40 seems to be a lot harder.

 

The consensus seems to be that 3-point landings for the P-40 are a "no-go" - is that so?

 

What flap settings do you use with the P-40? - I use 20 degrees for take-off and 30 degrees for landing.

Edited October 7, 2015 by Mungee

[6./ZG26_Emil]

Hi Mungee

 

I enter the pattern at around 3,500 ft with a target speed of around 150 mph. I then drop my gear when on the downwind leg, trimming 100% nose up. I watch to wait for the end of the runway to pass to my 7-8 o-clock and then cut throttle to 30-40%, keeping the airspeed at ~140 mph and drop 50% flaps. At the same time go in to a very wide and gentle turn left on to the crosswind leg which sheds altitude fairly quickly. I start dropping the throttle to suit what I feel is going to work but generally I am using 20-30% throttle for the cross wind and finals.

 

As I enter the final approach (around 1Km out) I make sure I am still at 135-140mph and when the altitude is around 600-700ft drop 100% flaps and start to bring the nose up to bleed the speed off. Don't flare until you are very close to the ground as this plane will bleed off speed rapidly, drop out of the sky and then you will get that nasty bounce.

 

If it would be any help I can re-upload a quick video with some annotations.

 

I followed the guide in that Curtiss Wright video someone posted mostly except you cannot trim this aircraft for 115 mph and also 115 mph seems too slow for the approach so I increased that speed to 140.

 

[andyw248]

115 - 120 mph on final approach works great for me (but @Nikko you're right you can't trim for it, need to pull the stick). Flare without cutting the throttle, then pull the stick fully back in one swift movement while at the same time cutting the throttle with an equally swift movement.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

115 - 120 mph on final approach works great for me (but @Nikko you're right you can't trim for it, need to pull the stick). Flare without cutting the throttle, then pull the stick fully back in one swift movement while at the same time cutting the throttle with an equally swift movement.

 

From what altitude are you at 115-120 mph?

 

I'm at that speed as I cross the threshold but if I aim for that speed too early it's sink rate seems very high and I don't feel like I have enough room for the flare.

 

Do you have fraps or Shadowplay and fancy making a little video? 

[Mungee]

Hi Mungee

 

I enter the pattern at around 3,500 ft with a target speed of around 150 mph. I then drop my gear when on the downwind leg, trimming 100% nose up. I watch to wait for the end of the runway to pass to my 7-8 o-clock and then cut throttle to 30-40%, keeping the airspeed at ~140 mph and drop 50% flaps. At the same time go in to a very wide and gentle turn left on to the crosswind leg which sheds altitude fairly quickly. I start dropping the throttle to suit what I feel is going to work but generally I am using 20-30% throttle for the cross wind and finals.

 

As I enter the final approach (around 1Km out) I make sure I am still at 135-140mph and when the altitude is around 600-700ft drop 100% flaps and start to bring the nose up to bleed the speed off. Don't flare until you are very close to the ground as this plane will bleed off speed rapidly, drop out of the sky and then you will get that nasty bounce.

 

If it would be any help I can re-upload a quick video with some annotations.

 

I followed the guide in that Curtiss Wright video someone posted mostly except you cannot trim this aircraft for 115 mph and also 115 mph seems too slow for the approach so I increased that speed to 140.

 

Thanks, Nikko.

I haven't had a chance to try the 100% flaps, but a short video with annotations would be great!

[andyw248]

From what altitude are you at 115-120 mph?

 

I'm at that speed as I cross the threshold but if I aim for that speed too early it's sink rate seems very high and I don't feel like I have enough room for the flare.

 

Do you have fraps or Shadowplay and fancy making a little video? 

 

Sure, no problem:

• Downwind ~ 1,500 ft AGL
• Abeam threshold: Reduce throttle to 15" and flaps halfway down
• On final: Full flaps
• It helps to land with 25% fuel or less, otherwise the P-40 is nose-heavy and it is hard to keep it in 3-point attitude during flare

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNWnrBdVrZQ

[6./ZG26_Emil]

Thanks very nicely done

 

Yep I see what you mean about the fuel load making it nose heavy, I think I was using 35% iirc.

 

I'll give it another go with your settings,