ME 262 - Could It Ever Be A Reality?

[EliteWing]

 

 

 

Do you think we ever could have the possibility of seeing a ME 262 added into a future IL2 BoS, or BoW game?

Man oh man, one can only dream...

 

 

[-TBC-AeroAce]

Could be there if they do a 1945 plane set

[Saurer]

Would the Figher Bomber version be more commonlly used on the eastern front?

[EliteWing]

From what I have read, Oberst Walther Dahl is credited with shooting down three Red Air Force Lavochkin-7 fighters and Unteroffizer Kurt Lange was allegedly shot down by an La-7 while flying the Me 262. A lot of vague information exists, but few details. Certainly, the Me 262 was used mainly as a bomber killer.

[Bullets]

I would probably not leave my room for a good few days if they ever made the ME262... Such an awesome looking plane. 

[Saurer]

I think of the A-2 with "only" 2 MK 108's that could carry 2 500kg bombs, most probably it will be a upgrade once we get it 

[Finkeren]

Meh.... The really late war stuff has always had less attraction for me.

 

Beyond summer 1944 there was really no big drama and uncertainty left in WW2, just tragedy.

[EliteWing]

Meh.... The really late war stuff has always had less attraction for me.

 

Beyond summer 1944 there was really no big drama and uncertainty left in WW2, just tragedy.

 

 

Beyond 1944 summer, also drove tons of new aviation innovation. That is what attracts me.

[Bullets]

Sure campaign wise it would be pretty dire.. However the planes man, the planeessss

[Finkeren]

Sure campaign wise it would be pretty dire.. However the planes man, the planeessss

To be honest: I find most of the late war planes kinda unappealing as well. Many of them are over-engineered to press the last bits of performance out of planes that were really at the end of their development potential. Others were innovative new designs pressed into service far too early.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

Without thinking of the practibility of things give me as many planes as you can esp the more exotic ones. That's what we want with BOS 10 years down the line right??

[LukeFF]

It's way, way too early to be even discussing the possibility of the Me 262.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

It's way, way too early to be even discussing the possibility of the Me 262.

Of course but we can dream so don't be so negative lol

[LukeFF]

Um...I'm not being negative - just realistic.

[Freycinet]

"engine start / original sound" the video is called, but perhaps those engines don't sound much like the original JUMO ones...

[-TBC-AeroAce]

Um...I'm not being negative - just realistic.

Buzzkillington!!!!!!

[Voidhunger]

yeah  ME262 and 163 my dream....

[ShamrockOneFive]

To be honest: I find most of the late war planes kinda unappealing as well. Many of them are over-engineered to press the last bits of performance out of planes that were really at the end of their development potential. Others were innovative new designs pressed into service far too early.

That is precisely why I find that point in the war just as fascinating as the earlier war stuff. Propeller driven fighters reached a near pinnacle of performance meanwhile some brand new stuff that had never before been seen was appearing. I think it's a fantastic mix. Just as fun as the mid war and early war with its own style and flavour.

 

Historically it goes from absolute war back and forth to essentially a slow motion tragedy with a lopsided outcome - but the air war is much more active and fascinating than I think most give it credit for.

[Feathered_IV]

Didn't Luthier promise a 262 for DCS for the WW2 project? Maybe that would scratch the itch.

[No601_Swallow]

Sure campaign wise it would be pretty dire.. However the planes man, the planeessss

 

Lerche! Lerche!

 

The thing is, I'm not even joking. I loved the 1946 bit of IL2 '46 - many of them were great fun and my squadron had many nights of "Friday Fun" dismembering B17s and B29s with various exotic machines. 

 

The Go229! Now we're talking! ...And while we're on the subject, so sad (and such a harbinger of tragedy to come) that Luthier's Korean war expansion never happened (at least I think it was Luthier???). At least the mod fraternity eventually got round to it. (And do you know, with - you know - a proper map, it was more fun than the DCS simtastic rides over a sterile Caucuses map).

 

Seriously, I loved the Lerche. Someone wrote a pretty good short SP campaign for the Lerche, based mostly on the IL2 summer mountain map (or whatever its called). It was great stuff.

Edited September 15, 2015 by No601_Swallow

[Y-29.Silky]

And that would mean we would have one of these?

 

And one of these?  

 

First one entered in 1943, the latter, 1942, roughly the same era we have now.

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Sadly not in this decade, but at least I can dream. 

[Rjel]

I don't think it's bad to dream about whatever planes one desires. Wanting a 262 isn't much different than wanting a Ju52. I just wouldn't expect either one anytime soon.

[-NW-ChiefRedCloud]

Nice .... thanks

 

Chief

[Cybermat47]

Beyond summer 1944 there was really no big drama and uncertainty left in WW2, just tragedy.

Personally, I think a campaign as an Axis airforce CO would be pretty intense post-summer 1944. You'd have unbeatable odds, insane orders, and you'd have to try to keep as many of your inexperienced pilots alive as possible. It's one of the reasons I really want to get past May 1943 in Silent Hunter 5 (yep, there's a mod that expands the game to 1945 ).

[EliteWing]

To be honest: I find most of the late war planes kinda unappealing as well. Many of them are over-engineered to press the last bits of performance out of planes that were really at the end of their development potential. Others were innovative new designs pressed into service far too early.

 

Over engineered air frames, that set the standard for new innovation to come. That is extremely appealing and interesting to me, as its amazing that in the 40s, there was technology that is used all the time to this day. Its also really interesting to see how this newly tested aviation technology turned the tide of aviation war. And the Germans were a great example of breaking barriers/ "mad scientist" producing this crazy technology. I dont see how that is not interesting to any aviation enthusiast. ALOT of what is standard aviation technology now, was innovated around the late 40s by German scientists. Its fascinating to say the least...

[KrazyBee129]

To be honest: I find most of the late war planes kinda unappealing as well. Many of them are over-engineered to press the last bits of performance out of planes that were really at the end of their development potential. Others were innovative new designs pressed into service far too early.

ME 262 is one sexy plane and you will be lying if you think it will not be fun to fly.

[Finkeren]

ME 262 is one sexy plane and you will be lying if you think it will not be fun to fly.

Tons of fun to fly (as well as challenging)? I don't doubt it.

 

But: To me the 262 has never been 'sexy' or otherwise appealing to look at. Which is a shame, because for the most part it really looks like a sleek, fast, well designed weapon of war. But those big honking engines just look tagged on and completely ruins the design for me (as well as ruins other things, there's a reason jet fighter design never really returned to wing mounted engines) Nah. The 262 will always look misshapen to me - doesn't mean it can't be interesting in other ways.

[Feathered_IV]

Personally, I think a campaign as an Axis airforce CO would be pretty intense post-summer 1944. You'd have unbeatable odds, insane orders, and you'd have to try to keep as many of your inexperienced pilots alive as possible.

Unfortunately an Me-262 is much more likely than a campaign like that.

[EliteWing]

Tons of fun to fly (as well as challenging)? I don't doubt it.

 

But: To me the 262 has never been 'sexy' or otherwise appealing to look at. Which is a shame, because for the most part it really looks like a sleek, fast, well designed weapon of war. But those big honking engines just look tagged on and completely ruins the design for me (as well as ruins other things, there's a reason jet fighter design never really returned to wing mounted engines) Nah. The 262 will always look misshapen to me - doesn't mean it can't be interesting in other ways.

 

Looks are your overall factor of why you believe the ME 262 is "unappealing" ... gotcha.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

But: To me the 262 has never been 'sexy' or otherwise appealing to look at. Which is a shame, because for the most part it really looks like a sleek, fast, well designed weapon of war. But those big honking engines just look tagged on and completely ruins the design for me (as well as ruins other things, there's a reason jet fighter design never really returned to wing mounted engines) Nah. The 262 will always look misshapen to me - doesn't mean it can't be interesting in other ways.

There were quite a bunch of good reasons for the underwing mounted engines. One of which is that the fuel tanks took up a lot of space (early jet engines were VERY fuel hungry and thus required much higher fuel capacities than props). While still having a shorter flying duration than either the Bf-109 and the Fw 190, it still could acchieve up tp 45min which was very respectible for a jet fighter of that time.

 

Second and probably more important is the maintanance of course. The Jumos needed an overhaul every second flight and were prone to mechanical issues. It was clear that they had to be easy to access and replaceabel quickly under field conditions. Wing mounted engines would have not only made the jet bigger and heavier (it already had 6t) but also technically more complex and difficult to maintain. So at the time the 262 was born there was no point placing the engines within a closed fuselage or wing structure.

 

Anyway while certainly appealing to a large croud I don't expect it to come to BoS/BoM in a future product soon. Like in any other WW2 sim it does come with a lot of balance issues and needs to be considered carefully although I'd love to fly it in a 777 product (or the DCS 262) one day.

 

Btw, I didn't like the 262 much until I went to the airforce museum in Czechia at Kbely standing infront of one fighter and one trainer 262. It indeed is a very large and impressive aircraft that immedently catched my interest to fly it in a WW2 sim one day.

Edited September 16, 2015 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[Finkeren]

Looks are your overall factor of why you believe the ME 262 is "unappealing" ... gotcha.

Nope. Looks is the overall factor for why I don't find the Me 262 'sexy'.

 

The lack of appeal has more to do with the fact that it was such a late war plane pressed into service despite numerous teething problems and ultimately failing to have much of an impact.

[Dunringill]

"engine start / original sound" the video is called, but perhaps those engines don't sound much like the original JUMO ones...

 

I've always wondered what the original engines sounded like... Did they sound like other vintage jetengines like in the Vampire for example? I wonder if there are any videos with real recorded sound and not added on in postproduction?

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

I've always wondered what the original engines sounded like... Did they sound like other vintage jetengines like in the Vampire for example? I wonder if there are any videos with real recorded sound and not added on in postproduction?

There's only one short footage of a rebuild Jumo 004 brought back to live by the Flying Heritage Collection that partly gives an impression. The airworthy 262s you see on YT are all US build using modern engines.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152841379843666

Their not too small goal is to get another one working and being the first to get an original Me 262 airworthy again (apparently the collection already owns a Me 262).

Edited September 16, 2015 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[Tyberan]

Damn it, I was going to post the same link but called away for nappy duties. 

 

 

 

Anyway I really hope that BoS, BoM are successful enough that one day they decide to do late war. I really want a nice sim version of the ME 262 (still have my fingers crossed for DCS), and I think 777 would do an epic job of it. 

Edited September 16, 2015 by Tyberan

[Dunringill]

Will check it out  Also hoping for DCS!

[Scarecrow]

I always enjoyed the exotic aircraft in the original series and IL2 1946.

 

I can't imagine the team covering this ground until we have far more of the convetional aircraft and maps for a genuine WWII flightsim experience.

[Elem]

"there's a reason jet fighter design never really returned to wing mounted engines)"

 

Podded engines:- Advantages

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

• on the wings can act as vortex generators.
• can be located significantly outboard on the wing, where the wing thickness is too small to accommodate a buried engine. The further outboard, the greater the wing bending relief.
• in front of the wing provide maximum resistance to flutter of the wing. This is why almost all of the engine pod is located ahead of the leading edge of the wing.
• ease maintenance access.
• reduce noise within the cabin (since the engines are farther from the cabin, and for engines mounted below the wing, the wing itself acts as a noise shield).
• can often be exchanged with alternative models more easily. For example, the Boeing 747 uses engines from GE, Pratt and Whitney, and Rolls-Royce, the changes being mostly isolated to the pods themselves.
• are less likely to critically damage the aircraft than an engine embedded within the airframe if they explode, catch fire or break free from their mounts. Although such events seldom happen to modern jet engines, this possibility helps explain why podded engines are commonly used on commercial and general aviation aircraft that may carry fare-paying passengers. Military combat jets are often occupied only by crew members who can bail out of the craft in an emergency, making this safety factor less crucial.

 

No, I guess there are no good reason for podded engines, which is why there are none in service today (NOT!!!)

[6./ZG26_Emil]

This is what will happen if you get the 262...

 

The Allied side would moan like hell as they're 'untouchable' with lots of references to 'clubbing baby seals' etc

 

Eventually there would be demands for some none WW2 jet to 'balance' the sides and we'd end up with 1946 all over again

 

No thanks!

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

To be fair as soon as the 262 would be availabel in another BoS like product as a standard or premium aircraft the majority would fly it exclusively in multiplayer for the advantage, not for the aircrafts or historic sake. If servers limited the numbers of availabel 262s many players would not be able to fly it and the german side ended up with a disadvanatge in aircraft supplies (historically correct but unbalanced). So no matter how oyu handle it you run into serious issues.

 

If it was modeled accurately with all it's technical flaws even more drama would appear with people coocking their engines off all the time. It's a really difficult aircraft to implement into such an envirounment as BoS (less DCS, because there it sure will be highly difficult to handle, not to mention it's price tag).

[Alkyan]

War Thunder format shines here. It allowed for an event where 10 me262 were opposed to something like 20 super fortress (IA) and 30 P51 ! It looked kinda fun.