Oh !!!! So that's who you are

[HagarTheHorrible]

Playing Clod with the new TF4 patch is a big improvement, which I'm enjoying immensly, however even with the patch and better spotting aircraft at middle distances it can, for me at least, still be quite difficult to recognize aircraft at a useful distance, especially in a mixed dogfight were aircraft can close and seperate quite quickly.  If I remember RoF was actually very good in this regard and even when the aircraft were quite far away I had a very good idea of what they were.  Ironically it was probably less important in RoF given the slow speed of the aircraft. 

 

It will be very interesting for me to see the difference in BoS compared to Clod and to a lesser extent RoF in this regard, it being to my mind, rather important to not only be able to keep a tally on aircraft in the whirl but also quickly identifying them as to type without the need for labels etc.

 

 

[Revvin]

Slowly but surely the technology is creeping us closer to being less reliant on labels

[OBT-Psycho]

in my opinion it is just a matter of training...and looking for the right stuf.

 

As in CloDi it is sometime hard to tell just by the silhouette who's who, you have to take other clue in count. As for RAF fighter, the color will be brownish, opposed to LW where it will be blueish. Yellow marks on LW are also well made in my opinion in CloD. As soon as you can pick yellow, you will be sure it is a LW fighter. Other details may matter, but at the end it is just training.

 

In RoF though, you can more easily pick a plane just by its silhouette. I found out far contacts may be more difficult to spot, but once in mid-range the shape can be recognized earlier than in CloD. 2 more weeks to wait...

[HagarTheHorrible]

in my opinion it is just a matter of training...and looking for the right stuf.

 

As in CloDi it is sometime hard to tell just by the silhouette who's who, you have to take other clue in count. As for RAF fighter, the color will be brownish, opposed to LW where it will be blueish. Yellow marks on LW are also well made in my opinion in CloD. As soon as you can pick yellow, you will be sure it is a LW fighter. Other details may matter, but at the end it is just training.

 

In RoF though, you can more easily pick a plane just by its silhouette. I found out far contacts may be more difficult to spot, but once in mid-range the shape can be recognized earlier than in CloD. 2 more weeks to wait...

In Clod It can still be quit difficult to pick out a distinct shape, that might be something to do with the AA however so mileage may vary, unfortunately the Italian fighters also have a nasty habit of being a bit brownish.

[dkoor]

Hopefully we'll see the good side of RoF in BoS regarding this.

[Jaws2002]

Plenty P-47 pilots were bounced by mustang pilots, thinking they are 190's. If you look at the kill claims across the board, it wasn't that easy to identify fast little fighters in combat. I find it pretty easy to identify them in clod. ROF is better, but the closing speed also plays a big role. I still take the ocasional swing at frendlies from time to time in both sims :D

You should see the confusion in atag server when I went up with my brand new, yellow nose, Romanian Hurricane skin.

[II./JG27_Rich]

I have a dumb question about Cliffs Of Dover..How do you get the track recorder to work?

[Sternjaeger]

Plenty P-47 pilots were bounced by mustang pilots, thinking they are 190's. If you look at the kill claims across the board, it wasn't that easy to identify fast little fighters in combat. I find it pretty easy to identify them in clod. ROF is better, but the closing speed also plays a big role. I still take the ocasional swing at frendlies from time to time in both sims :D

You should see the confusion in atag server when I went up with my brand new, yellow nose, Romanian Hurricane skin.

 

yeah, although in the USAAF it was also probably a matter of pilots far too keen to become aces: a Jug is considerably bigger than a FW190 and has a huge elliptical wing... Some years ago I had the fortune of talking to a P-47 pilot in the US who was actually involved in a similar incident and got almost shot down over Normandy: the morning had been a crazy melee of ground attackers and fighters, both RAF and USAAF, and after having dropped his bombs and done a couple of strafing runs, sharing his target with a couple of RAF Typhoons ("the most aggressive ground attackers I have ever seen!"), he reckoned that two near-misses were enough for the day, and decided to make his way home. As he was about to cross the coastline he saw three yellow-nosed P-51s zooming down to his left and right ("and I swear that I caught a couple of tracers flying in the same direction with the corner of my eye!"), and this made him furious: he firewalled the throttle and tried to catch up with the P-51s, which by then had pulled up and gently vanished in the hazy sky. After a bunch of minutes of desperate chasing, he calmed down and cut the throttle a bit: "I realised there and then that I had in fact been very lucky - if those were FW190s or BF109s I'd have ended up feeding the fish in the Channel". The P-51 pilots involuntarily taught him a valuable lesson: you're never safe when you're big, fat and flying straight. 

 

Apparently he got his revenge a week later: after having found out where the yellow-nosed chaps were based, he "borrowed" an L-5 and with the help of a colleague he "cropped" the flight line with a bag of locally outsourced manure.. there never was a follow-up to the incident apparently..

Edited October 30, 2013 by Sternjaeger

[thx1138]

In Il2 on hyperlobby in my P 51B, P 38 pilots were the worst !

 

I guess they figured that any inline single engine was the enemy.

I must have been attacked a half a dozen times by P  38's, only saving grace is that P 38 drivers generally are one trick ponies...

[Sternjaeger]

In Il2 on hyperlobby in my P 51B, P 38 pilots were the worst !

 

I guess they figured that any inline single engine was the enemy.

I must have been attacked a half a dozen times by P  38's, only saving grace is that P 38 drivers generally are one trick ponies...

 

as in "go down in flames"? 

[thx1138]

as in "go down in flames"? 

 

 

Yeah they do that too.

 

Really P 38 drivers just make one pass and haul ass, BnZ is their thing and I don't blame them.

 

Just because I drive around in an inline, camoflaged, square wing tip P 51 does not mean I'm a 109 tho most P 38's seemed to think so.

 

I'm kinda guilty too, I flew in an operation Torch scenario in a Wildcat and I just went after anything that even looked like a 109. I wound up pounding a P 39 or two and felt really bad about it. I thought I made up for it my hammering a Ju 88, but at least 2 P 39 pilots didn't think so.

[DD_Arthur]

I have a dumb question about Cliffs Of Dover..How do you get the track recorder to work?

 

For online play the track recorder works in the way it was meant to work.  You get only get a recording of your own in cockpit view.  According to Luthier at 1C this was to prevent cheating online.

 

However,  if you register over at the ATAG forums you can visit this thread;

 

http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1782

 

and ask nicely to be registered for their external track utility you can process the tracks you record on the ATAG server and view externals.  It works a treat!    Some friends and I thundering along nicely in our Spits on Sunday night.

 

 

Edited October 30, 2013 by arthursmedley

[71st_AH_Hooves]

For online play the track recorder works in the way it was meant to work.  You get only get a recording of your own in cockpit view.  According to Luthier at 1C this was to prevent cheating online.

 

However,  if you register over at the ATAG forums you can visit this thread;

 

http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1782

 

and ask nicely to be registered for their external track utility you can process the tracks you record on the ATAG server and view externals.  It works a treat!    Some friends and I thundering along nicely in our Spits on Sunday night.

 

 

My problem is that when ever i would start recordi g a track i would inevitebly ctd. It still happens to this day. So i just record live from my cockpit.

[Gort]

Very pretty...

[DD_Arthur]

My problem is that when ever i would start recordi g a track i would inevitebly ctd. It still happens to this day. So i just record live from my cockpit.

 

Yes, it is weird. Sometimes it will crash and sometimes not.  These screenies come from a recording of our whole mission from takeoff to landing which was about 45 minutes.  Sometimes you get much less.  Generally I record for combat only so it's bursts of 10 minutes or so.

[BFsSmurfy]

Fantastic pics of the Spits, shows you what that sim could`ve become, real shame, hopefully the TF guys can continue their magnificent efforts and introduce a new theatre and maybe a new plane or two???, here`s hoping.

[DD_fruitbat]

@Arthur, trying to remember which spit i was in those screenies! That was a very successful flight iirc, we battered a bomber formation between the lot of us.

 

Can do some more Clod tonight if you want, once i've finished flying in tonight's SEOW mission.

[DD_Arthur]

@Arthur, trying to remember which spit i was in those screenies! That was a very successful flight iirc, we battered a bomber formation between the lot of us.

 

Can do some more Clod tonight if you want, once i've finished flying in tonight's SEOW mission.

 

From right to left it goes; you, Blubear, Toad, Fenrir, me and Fooltrottle.  I'm right up for some CLoD tonight .   Lets see; SEOW launches at 9 p.m. so the VARP should have shot you all down by 9.15.   I'll be on T/S after 9.30!!   

 

Edit; now what about this friggin' Pumpkin?

Edited November 3, 2013 by arthursmedley

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

mmm the new 4.0 hasn't crashed on me at all.

[ImPeRaToR]

 

My problem is that when ever i would start recordi g a track i would inevitebly ctd. It still happens to this day. So i just record live from my cockpit.

Surely this must be a problem on your end since CloD has been programmed flawlessly.

[Zmaj76]

Surely this must be a problem on your end since CloD has been programmed flawlessly.

Well, unlike some other sims, its programmed for future....currently in every aspect outperforms everything on the market. Try, you will be surprised as a big sims fan. I wish you remember how RoF was all stuttering heavily after release. Ahhh, that only we, who was there from the start..know...or is it a selective memory?

Edited November 3, 2013 by Tvrdi

[dburne]

Surely this must be a problem on your end since CloD has been programmed flawlessly.

 

No offense intended, but seriously why even go there ? - obviously that is a sensitive issue on this particular forum

Up until this post, this thread was very good with no ill will at all. Now it is likely to get locked if it keeps going like this.

Just my pennies worth, fwiw...

Edited November 3, 2013 by dburnette

[MiloMorai]

P-47s were not the only a/c attacked by 'friendly' fighters. The early P-51s could look like Bf109s. Typhoons could look like Fw190s. The Mossie got attacked for looking like the Me410.

[LLv44_Mprhead]

This question about aircraft recognition is tricky one, in my opinion. In reality, I can tell if aircraft is spitfire or hurricane or messerschmitt from say 300 meters, more or less without an error, but when I am looking at aircraft on my patheticly small computer screen, it's totally different story (yes, I am getting a new monitor in next few weeks, thanks for asking). This is also the reason why I haven't never been so sure that "full real" really is full real, meaning that having a identification tag to appear at 500 meters or so has never felt that wrong to me. Ofc that kinda removes the possibility of friendly fire, or at least reduces it greatly, so there is that.

On the subject of friendly fire, has anyone ever heard of incident of German fighters attacking German fighters, or RAF attacking RAF planes? Because now when I think of it, it feels that it's always Americans... Anyway I have a feeling, that attacking friendly targets had a lot to do with nerves and exitement also.

[6BLbrando]

The first blue on blue for the RAF happened extremely early on. Here's the Wiki quote, verbatim:

 

6 September – Just days after the start of the war, in what was dubbed the Battle of Barking Creek, three RAF Spitfires from 74 Squadron shot down two Hurricanes from the RAF's 56 Squadron, killing one of the pilots. One of the Spitfires was then shot down by British anti-aircraft artillery while returning to base.

 

The incidence of friendly fire is far more widespread than one imagines, even in the air

[MiloMorai]

mprhead, some Ta152Hs had to break off there approach to attacking some Allied fighters because they were bounced by some Bf109s.

[LLv44_Mprhead]

Yes, I really didn't doubt that there were also both RAF and Luftwaffe incidents of the sort. It's just that when reading aviation books, those doesn't get mentioned nearly as often as with USAAF.