BoM: Will the (aircraft) have (unlocks&options&general features)

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

1. Will the MiG-3 have slats or the early standard wings?

2. Will it have .50 cal. gunpods and armored glass as unlocks?

 

3. Will the Bf109E-7 have DB601N or DB601Aa

 

4. Will the Bf109F-2 have a 20mm MG151/20 option?

 

5. Will the P-40 have 6x.50 cal. as standard with the option to remove two, or the other way round?

6. Why don't we get a P-40B. It's much lighter.

 

7. Except for missing a rear gunner, what other differences do we have to expect from the Il-2 1941?

 

8. Does the Pe-2 series 35 have no upper rear gunner, or is it optional like the Il-2 1942 gunner?

 

9. Will the Ju-88 have an optional fixed forward firing MG?

10. Will the Ju-88 have optional Divebrakes?

 

What Questions do you have?

[Saurer]

Apparently no E-7/N 

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/14535-bf-109-e-7-e-7n/

[Finkeren]

1. Will the MiG-3 have slats or the early standard wings?

2. Will it have .50 cal. gunpods and armored glass as unlocks?

 

3. Will the Bf109E-7 have DB601N or DB601Aa

 

4. Will the Bf109F-2 have a 20mm MG151/20 option?

 

5. Will the P-40 have 6x.50 cal. as standard with the option to remove two, or the other way round?

6. Why don't we get a P-40B. It's much lighter.

 

7. Except for missing a rear gunner, what other differences do we have to expect from the Il-2 1941?

 

8. Does the Pe-2 series 35 have no upper rear gunner, or is it optional like the Il-2 1942 gunner?

 

9. Will the Ju-88 have an optional fixed forward firing MG?

10. Will the Ju-88 have optional Divebrakes?

 

What Questions do you have?

 

1. Slats on the wings. It's a late production MiG we're getting as can clearly be seen in the screenshots released so far.

 

2. Don't know about the armoured glass (I suggested it back when BoM was announced, but I don't know if they went with it) The UBK gunpods and likely also the 2xUBS and 2xShVAK armament options are almost certainly coming.

 

3: The DB 601N will be reserved for the F2 is my guess.

 

4. Propably yes. No gun pods though (I hope)

 

5. I think Jason said that 4 will be standard (it was the most common configuration in VVS service I think) with 6 as an unlock.

 

6. Because the devs wanted to make the more iconic P-40E I guess? Also the P-40E was more common in Soviet service and for a longer time.

 

7. Lighter armour and different armament options (generally also lighter)  

 

8. It has a dorsal gunner. All Pe-2s had that. In this case he's only armed with a ShKAS I think.

 

9. No idea. In the case of the Ju 88 the challenge might be to limit the number of field mods, because there were a ****load of them for that plane.

 

10. On the Ju 88A4 I don't really think the dive brakes were optional, were they? I think they were fitted as standard and normally not removed except from recon aircraft. I might be wrong though.

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

 

10. On the Ju 88A4 I don't really think the dive brakes were optional, were they? I think they were fitted as standard and normally not removed except from recon aircraft. I might be wrong though.

The dive brakes were removed from the A4(and later versions) because dive bombing was too stressful for the Ju-88. Instead they bomb at a 45 degree angle.

Edited September 12, 2015 by McKvack

[F/JG300_Gruber]

The dive brakes were removed from the A4(and later versions) because dive bombing was too stressful for the Ju-88. Instead they bomb at a 45 degree angle.

 

The A4 variant still featured the dive brakes. They were sometimes field removed by the crew for a little speed gain but this was not a widespread practice (afaik)

 

You can see dive brakes on several A4 pictures, including some of the KG3 aircrafts operating in Russia

They are also pictured on the Junkers handbook from July 1942 for the A4, as well as the operating system within the airframe on some figures.

And lastly, the NF+KQ Ju188 wich was test flown in early 1943 still featured dive brakes.

 

Dive brakes were however removed on specific versions like the C and D series, and I believe also on the A4 torpedo version, because they had no use of them.

 

If I remember well, even though airbrakes were removed on non-bomber version, the dive recovery system was still mounted within the airframe, and was abandonned on factory lines only very late in the war. Which was very odd because it made the aircraft roughly 1000kg heavier, thus loosing speed potential. Don't quote me on that one though, I'm not 100% sure. 

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

 

The A4 variant still featured the dive brakes. They were sometimes field removed by the crew for a little speed gain but this was not a widespread practice (afaik)

 

You can see dive brakes on several A4 pictures, including some of the KG3 aircrafts operating in Russia

They are also pictured on the Junkers handbook from July 1942 for the A4, as well as the operating system within the airframe on some figures.

And lastly, the NF+KQ Ju188 wich was test flown in early 1943 still featured dive brakes.

 

Dive brakes were however removed on specific versions like the C and D series, and I believe also on the A4 torpedo version, because they had no use of them.

 

If I remember well, even though airbrakes were removed on non-bomber version, the dive recovery system was still mounted within the airframe, and was abandonned on factory lines only very late in the war. Which was very odd because it made the aircraft roughly 1000kg heavier, thus loosing speed potential. Don't quote me on that one though, I'm not 100% sure. 

 

Oh... You learn something new everyday

[Matt]

5. 6x 50cal will be standard, 4x 50cal will be unlock.

[F/JG300_Gruber]

Guys,

 

It did have 6 guns per standard U.S. Regs but according to Viks there were instances where 2 were removed to save weight or when guns were in short supply. So they made adding the 2 guns back an Unlock. So you will have 6 if you want.

 

Jason

 

But I might have missed some infos in a DD  

Edited September 13, 2015 by F/JG300_Gruber

[bivalov]

1. Will the MiG-3 have slats or the early standard wings?

yep, looks like that in game will be modeled MiG-3 with 0,732 an slats (i.e. according to all screenshots and my sources)......

 

3. Will the Bf109E-7 have DB601N or DB601Aa

according to several discussions, looks like that we need DB 601 A-1 vesrion..... and looks like that is will be exactly 601 A-1.....

 

4. Will the Bf109F-2 have a 20mm MG151/20 option?

personally i know that they "think about 151/15" some time ago..... and personally i said that I need this gun, definately.

 

5. Will the P-40 have 6x.50 cal. as standard with the option to remove two, or the other way round?

in any case P-40 already has 2 variants.....

 

6. Why don't we get a P-40B. It's much lighter.

very good question, i also think about this...

 

according to russian tests, at deck planes have 445 and 450 kph at nominal power, but Tomahawk is much lighter (about 300-400 kg), so, his climb rate and turn time is really better....

 

moreover, 126 IAP got first P-40E-1 only in may'42, and looks like that some Tomahawks were used in PVO of Stalingrad.....

 

but P-40E-1 is still good choice (1xFAB-250, maybe, even with 4 rockets, and there is could be even overboost = 5 min. 50-60"/3000).....

 

7. Except for missing a rear gunner, what other differences do we have to expect from the Il-2 1941?

there is no some armor (cabine), could be a bit lower fuel (about 50 kg), VYA-23 also was not main gun in this period (but could be even early SH-37), and other minor changes like this......

 

i.e. plane could be a bit faster and lighter, plus some new rockets/bombs...

 

8. Does the Pe-2 series 35 have no upper rear gunner, or is it optional like the Il-2 1942 gunner?

all Pe-2s have upper rear gunner, just S35 have another type of turrent with SHKAS......

Edited September 13, 2015 by bivalov

[Feathered_IV]

I'm curious if the poor transparency of the MiG cockpit canopy will be represented, and if the player will be presented with the option of flying without the sliding hood, as was sometimes done in the field.

[ShamrockOneFive]

One of the last dev shots of the MiG-3 showed it in the two gun configuration. So I'm guessing that the twin gun ShVAK and/or UBS version will be available - we haven't seen it with gun pods yet but I'm guessing that would be done as well. The one thing that 1CGS guys do very well is make sure that the unlock options cover the range of what was available or potentially available.

 

Makes me think the 20mm Bf109F-2 option will probably be there too.

[LukeFF]

 

 

VYA-23 also was not main gun in this period (but could be even early SH-37), and other minor changes like this......

 

VikS has told me the VYa-23 was available from the beginning of the war, so I imagine we will see it as an option for the 1941 model. The main reason why it was not seen much in 1941 was a lack of availability.  

[Finkeren]

I'm curious if the poor transparency of the MiG cockpit canopy will be represented, and if the player will be presented with the option of flying without the sliding hood, as was sometimes done in the field.

The poor transparency of Soviet perspex was a problem in all Soviet aircraft. It wasn't exclusive to the MiG-3 (but you could argue, that it was a bigger problem for the MiG when used as a high alt interceptor)

 

In BoS the discoloration is especially apparent in the LaGG-3 cockpit, so I guess we'll see something similar in the MiG-3.

 

As for removing the sliding canopy: I guess it's posible, that it will be modeled, but I find it unlikely for the simple reason, that it would require work on both internal and external model, FM (having the canopy removed is less draggy than having it open) and require disabling the 'open canopy' control (which even the I-16 has ) entirely for that one version of the MiG.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

As for the 6 0.50s on the p40. I thought the vvs took away wing cannons on lend lease ac so isn't 4 or 2 0.50s more accurate than 6 as standard??? ( I have no clue on this matter)

Edited September 14, 2015 by [TBC]AeroACE

[bivalov]

VikS has told me the VYa-23 was available from the beginning of the war, so I imagine we will see it as an option for the 1941 model. The main reason why it was not seen much in 1941 was a lack of availability.

he is right, and there also were some defects/early problems, because cannon was still "raw" (i.e. if i remember correctly, apart of some planes in regiments earlier, first combat tests of VYA-23, RBS-82/132 and ROFS-132 were conducted in 47 AD in end of 1941 - beginning of 1942, exactly near Moscow, and btw, MiG-3 also got RBS-82 during these sorties).

Edited September 14, 2015 by bivalov

[Danziger]

I just hope they fix the exhaust on the MiG-3.

[Elem]

As for the 6 0.50s on the p40. I thought the vvs took away wing cannons on lend lease ac so isn't 4 or 2 0.50s more accurate than 6 as standard??? ( I have no clue on this matter)

The Browning 0.50 is not a cannon, but a machine gun. The Soviets removed the 4 wing Brownings of the Tomahawk and made do with the two nose mounted ones to improve it's performance, where as the later Kittyhawks they changed the 6 x Brownings to 6 x Berezin UB 12.7mm to simplify logistics.

Edited September 14, 2015 by Elem

[bivalov]

........where as the later Kittyhawks they changed the 6 x Brownings to 6 x Berezin UB 12.7mm to simplify logistics.

soviet Kittyhawks were armed only with original M2s......... although, i heard about some experiments with SHKAS for Tomahawk - "according to problem with ammunition" - but looks like that was re-armed only 1 Tomahawk (btw, Hurricane with 2 SHKAS also was tested exactly in this period, but i also don't know continuation of his story).

Edited September 14, 2015 by bivalov

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

I hope the Ju-88 can carry the MG131 as a modification  

[F/JG300_Gruber]

Me too ! 

 

What I hope for the 88 :

 

Belt fed MG81 in A and B-stand, MG81Z in C-stand with optional single MG131 in B-stand as unlock.

Optional nose mounted MG-FF replacing the bombsight (not sure if the field modification for the A4 fits the BoM timeframe though)

 

And in a parallel universe :

The C6 zerstörer as the ultimate unlock . Only 16 were produced by the end of the Battle of moscow, but it would fit perfectly the BoS era 

Or at least a C2 or C4

Edited September 14, 2015 by F/JG300_Gruber

[-TBC-AeroAce]

Forget the mg131 I want the ju88p with 7.5 cm anti tank gun. It was introduced in 1942 so just late for Moscow but xd would be a hella fun

[ShamrockOneFive]

Me too ! 

 

What I hope for the 88 :

 

Belt fed MG81 in A and B-stand, MG81Z in C-stand with optional single MG131 in B-stand as unlock.

Optional nose mounted MG-FF replacing the bombsight (not sure if the field modification for the A4 fits the BoM timeframe though)

 

And in a parallel universe :

The C6 zerstörer as the ultimate unlock . Only 16 were produced by the end of the Battle of moscow, but it would fit perfectly the BoS era 

Or at least a C2 or C4

I've been hoping for a Ju88C-6 for ages!