Heinkel 111

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

Any chance of having a picture of the Heinkel 111 (the best medium bomber ever) on the next Friday update ???

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnxiOyVTtio

Edited October 29, 2013 by JG62Gielow

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

Its not even the best German med bomber, that would be the Ju88.

 

but i agree it would be nice to see the HE111.

[Jason_Williams]

He-111 still being built. Unfortunately, not ready to show yet.

 

Jason

[ATAG_Slipstream]

Can you tell us what you hope to have in the alpha release?

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

He-111 still being built. Unfortunately, not ready to show yet.

 

Jason

Great !!! Keep the good work  Don't forget to create a 13mm MG and 20mm cannons field modification    heheheh

Its not even the best German med bomber, that would be the Ju88.

 

but i agree it would be nice to see the HE111.

It was so super best medium bomber ever that was the first plane to fire cruise missiles in a real war.

Edited October 29, 2013 by JG62Gielow

[Jason_Williams]

Content will be added as we go along in the Alpha. I don't have a list of what will be available at first. That's up to Loft.

 

Jason

[PA-Sniv]

Can you tell us what you hope to have in the alpha release?

 

Late september, they stated:

- Lagg-3, Bf-109F4 and IL2 are nearly finished;

- Yak-1, Pe-2 and Stuka are in progress;

- Work on He-111 has just begun.

 

So I think we can expect to have Lagg-3, 109F4 and IL2 with early access... probably nothing more at begining.

 

Cheers,

[Finkeren]

Late september, they stated:

- Lagg-3, Bf-109F4 and IL2 are nearly finished;

- Yak-1, Pe-2 and Stuka are in progress;

- Work on He-111 has just begun.

 

So I think we can expect to have Lagg-3, 109F4 and IL2 with early access... probably nothing more at begining.

 

Cheers,

I would add the Ju 87 to that. We have seen a completed cockpit and external model weeks ago.

[Bussard_x]

I would add the Ju 87 to that. We have seen a completed cockpit and external model weeks ago.

Yes makes sense, let's wait and see. From next week on I will do mainly quick missions with the start set up. Enough to discover; the feel of the FM, different AI levels, communication, get used to the instrument panels, the map and so on.

[Feathered_IV]

**Fingers crossed for the Il-2**

[Finkeren]

Well we know that the IL2 already flies, so I can't see why it wouldn't be in the early release.

[Furio]

It'll be there, I think. The game is still named "Il2 Sturmovik", isn't it?

[JtD]

Indeed, strangely this argument never occurred to me. Il-2 should be high on the list.

[PA-Sniv]

I would add the Ju 87 to that. We have seen a completed cockpit and external model weeks ago.

 

3D model is not the main work, I wouldn't bet on it... 

[Mysticpuma]

Here's one

[Finkeren]

3D model is not the main work, I wouldn't bet on it...

I know, but judging by the time between when we first saw cockpit and external model of the Il-2 and when we saw video of it flying, I'll say the Stuka has a fair chance of making it.

[HeavyCavalrySgt]

It was so super best medium bomber ever that was the first plane to fire cruise missiles in a real war.

 

I was doing some research on my father's service in England, and remembering he had spoken of seeinging the V-1s going by, and apparently routinely enough that they were ignored, unless the engine stopped, indicating the missile had reached the end of its flight.  If that happened and the rocket was close, they got in the nearest trench.

 

When I learned my father had been at Debach and looked at a map, I wondered why he had seen so many V-1s.  I realized he must have been seeing the rockets that were launched from bombers from over the North Sea.

 

The fact that he apparently saw more than one V-1 hit says something about the accuracy of the guidance or perhaps launch aircraft positioning - Debach is nearly 100 miles from London.

[Meteor2]

After being familiar with the He-111 in CoD, I feel, that BoS has a long way to go to produce the plane in such detail.

With TF 4 it is real fun to fly.

[BeastyBaiter]

You haven't even seen a screenshot of it yet and you're already claiming CloD did it better?

Edited November 6, 2013 by =LD=King_Hrothgar

[thx1138]

It was so super best medium bomber ever that was the first plane to fire cruise missiles in a real war.

 

 

NO.

 

I think it's a three way tie for best medium bomber of WW II

 

Mosquito, B 25, Ju 88

 

The He 111 was slow, poorly armed, and poorly armoured. Any one of the above three could engage a He 111 at will and down it easilly. He 111 could not even catch any of them if it wanted to.

 

Sorry

[Bf-110]

Its not even the best German med bomber, that would be the Ju88.

 

but i agree it would be nice to see the HE111.

 

Ju-88♥

[Sokol1]

You haven't even seen a screenshot of it yet and you're already claiming CloD did it better?

 

He dont say that "Cl+D did it better", he say "that BoS has a long way to go to produce the plane in such detail" (of Cl+D).

It's not about "graphics", is about how fly and operate the He111, I dont think that come with detailed autopilot (Kurssteureung)

like the one in mentioned game.

 

And if they do better, better for bombers lovers.

 

Sokol1

[TheBlackPenguin]

He dont say that "Cl+D did it better", he say "that BoS has a long way to go to produce the plane in such detail" (of Cl+D).

It's not about "graphics", is about how fly and operate the He111, I dont think that come with detailed autopilot (Kurssteureung)

like the one in mentioned game.

 

And if they do better, better for bombers lovers.

 

Sokol1

 

 

Just want to add, no rush for it, rather get as highly detailed as possible and wait even if it means its the last one we get our paws on .

[Meteor2]

He dont say that "Cl+D did it better", he say "that BoS has a long way to go to produce the plane in such detail" (of Cl+D).

It's not about "graphics", is about how fly and operate the He111, I dont think that come with detailed autopilot (Kurssteureung)

like the one in mentioned game.

 

And if they do better, better for bombers lovers.

 

Sokol1

Thanks, Sokoll1 - exactly !

[JG2B1_Adler]

Bombing, Will the bombsite be modeled after previous IL2 bombsites?

[Cybermat47]

I'm not a bomber guy, but I'm looking forward to flying the He-111... or shooting it down :D

[JG2B1_Adler]

I'm not a bomber guy, but I'm looking forward to flying the He-111... or shooting it down :D

I will be in that He111. That is no way make friends in this new game...LOL

[Cybermat47]

I will be in that He111. That is no way make friends in this new game...LOL

Fine, I'll be your gunner

[thx1138]

Fine, I'll be your gunner

 

 

I'll shoot both of you guys down at one time then.

 

[Sokol1]

Bombing, Will the bombsite be modeled after previous IL2 bombsites?

 

Probable a 2D interface similar to RoF.

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/785-level-bombing-ie-he111/?do=findComment&comment=14611

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/785-level-bombing-ie-he111/?do=findComment&comment=14626

 

Sokol1

Edited November 9, 2013 by Sokol1

[Meteor2]

He dont say that "Cl+D did it better", he say "that BoS has a long way to go to produce the plane in such detail" (of Cl+D).

It's not about "graphics", is about how fly and operate the He111, I dont think that come with detailed autopilot (Kurssteureung)

like the one in mentioned game.

 

And if they do better, better for bombers lovers.

 

Sokol1

Good to see some bomber friends here in the Forum, too.

By the way, Sokol1, have you figured out, how to use the Lorenz blind landing in the CoD He-111 ?

A written source would be welcome.

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

NO.

 

I think it's a three way tie for best medium bomber of WW II

 

Mosquito, B 25, Ju 88

 

The He 111 was slow, poorly armed, and poorly armoured. Any one of the above three could engage a He 111 at will and down it easilly. He 111 could not even catch any of them if it wanted to.

 

Sorry

A twin engined bomber trying to catch each other?! Why?! When?! There is a very special kind of plane designated as fighter to do that.

 

Mosquito a medium bomber?! In what alternative reality?! She was a light bomber or fighter-bomber and no more comments about Mosquitos.

 

B25 really?! It could not fly half types of missions that 111 used to do. B25 payload is stone age compared to he111 guided bombs and missiles. Defensive 13mm mgs and 20mm cannons covering every single angle is poorly armed?!

 

Ju88?! Why?! Because it could be a night/heavy fighter?! Mistel?! Dive bomber?! A heavy fighter is a FIGHTER not a bomber. A flying bomb is not a bomber. Diving capacity resulted on shorter range and payload due to extra weight on airframe. Just saying to remember you about that. Also ju88 was not fitted with guided bombs or missiles.

 

Heinkel 111 started to fly back on spanish civil war and served on every front from deserts to artic. No other MEDIUM bomber had been used for such long time on all kinds of BOMBER missions until the last drop of fuel available. She was easy to fly and a solid and stable level bomber plataform.

 

Heinkel 111 is the best ever medium bomber ever period.

Edited November 10, 2013 by Rama
rude comments removed

[thx1138]

A twin engined bomber trying to catch each other?! Why?! When?! There is a very special kind of plane designated as fighter to do that.

 

Did you lost your mind?! Mosquito a medium bomber?! In what alternative reality?! She was a light bomber or fighter-bomber and no more comments about Mosquitos.

 

B25 really?! It could not fly half types of missions that 111 used to do. B25 payload is stone age compared to he111 guided bombs and missiles. Defensive 13mm mgs and 20mm cannons covering every single angle is poorly armed?! What have you been smoking, junior ?!

 

Ju88?! Why?! Because it could be a night/heavy fighter?! Mistel?! Dive bomber?! A heavy fighter is a FIGHTER not a bomber. A flying bomb is not a bomber. Diving capacity resulted on shorter range and payload due to extra weight on airframe. Just saying to remember you about that. Also ju88 was not fitted with guided bombs or missiles.

 

Heinkel 111 started to fly back on spanish civil war and served on every front from deserts to artic. No other MEDIUM bomber had been used for such long time on all kinds of BOMBER missions until the last drop of fuel available. She was easy to fly and a solid and stable level bomber plataform.

 

Heinkel 111 is the best ever medium bomber ever period.

 

Lets agree to disagree and leave it at that.

 

Bye bye

Edited November 10, 2013 by Rama
removed rude comments

[HeavyCavalrySgt]

Heinkel 111 is the best ever medium bomber ever period.

 

What did Professor heinkel say about that?  

 

"They became reliable, proven and easily maintained worker-bees for the Luftwaffe bomber units. Even though, after 1941, they had been technically superseded and, above all were hampered by their lack of range..and, despite repeated modifications, could not be given the additional range required-there was really no substitute for them."

 

It kinda sounds like he disagrees with you.

[LukeFF]

It was so super best medium bomber ever that was the first plane to fire cruise missiles in a real war.

 

It was fitted with V-1s, because that was one of the few things it was still good at doing in 1944, and in so doing they had to fly at extremely low altitude to avoid being picked up by Allied interceptors. 

[Cybermat47]

Defensive 13mm mgs and 20mm cannons covering every single angle is poorly armed?!

 

The He-111 H-6, which we're getting in BoS, had (according to Wikipedia) up to 7 × 7.92 mm MG 15 or MG 81 machine guns, (2 in the nose, 1 in the dorsal, 2 in the side, 2 in the ventral) some of them replaced or augmented by

1 × 20 mm MG FF cannon (central nose mount or forward ventral position)

1 × 13 mm MG 131 machine gun (mounted dorsal and/or ventral rear positions)

 

If an La-5 get's on my tail when I'm flying one, I'm bailing out. I can't shoot down a Belenheim with two 7.92 mm MG 15s in a Bf-109, so I won't stand a chance with one for each angle against fast-moving cannon-armed La-5s.

[Lord_Haw-Haw]

I will be in that He111. That is no way make friends in this new game...LOL

Have to smirk at this post where the signature shows a He111 but is flying for JG2 - thats a new one that a He 111 belonged to a fighter unit!

A twin engined bomber trying to catch each other?! Why?! When?! There is a very special kind of plane designated as fighter to do that.

 

Mosquito a medium bomber?! In what alternative reality?! She was a light bomber or fighter-bomber and no more comments about Mosquitos.

 

B25 really?! It could not fly half types of missions that 111 used to do. B25 payload is stone age compared to he111 guided bombs and missiles. Defensive 13mm mgs and 20mm cannons covering every single angle is poorly armed?!

 

Ju88?! Why?! Because it could be a night/heavy fighter?! Mistel?! Dive bomber?! A heavy fighter is a FIGHTER not a bomber. A flying bomb is not a bomber. Diving capacity resulted on shorter range and payload due to extra weight on airframe. Just saying to remember you about that. Also ju88 was not fitted with guided bombs or missiles.

 

Heinkel 111 started to fly back on spanish civil war and served on every front from deserts to artic. No other MEDIUM bomber had been used for such long time on all kinds of BOMBER missions until the last drop of fuel available. She was easy to fly and a solid and stable level bomber plataform.

 

Heinkel 111 is the best ever medium bomber ever period.

Well if you did a wee bit of reading you would find out that next to all german bomber squadrons fased out the He111 and replaced it with the Ju 88. Now why do you think they would do that? Because the He 111 is better?

[Finkeren]

While the He 111 was by no means a poor aircraft, calling it the "best medium bomber ever" seems completely hyperbole.

 

The only major advantages I can see for the He 111 over most other medium bombers of WW2 is its relatively heavy bomb load (though carrying max bombload on external hardpoints came at the price of significantly reduced performance) and a rather sturdy construction.

 

Overall the He 111 is just a 1930s design kept in service a bit longer than it should have been. For 1941-45 it's pretty slow, with middeling range, rather weak defensive armament with a pretty obvious and quite large blind angle centered at 12 o'clock high, poor maneuverability, low service ceiling, poor climb rate and limited versatility in terms of being able to perform other tasks than level bombing. 

 

Compare to two of the most obvious candidates for the title of "best medium bomber":

 

B-25J: About equal in speed, just as sturdy if not more, better armament (offensive and defensive) with very few blind spots, more advanced bomb sight, higher service ceiling, lower maximum bombload, greater versatility.

 

Tu-2S: Much faster at all altitudes, climbs better, nearly 50% higher service ceiling, significantly more maneuverable, slightly larger maximum bombload, though internal bombload is smaller, fewer defensive guns but overall heavier defensive firepower (.50cal UBS), powerful offensive firepower (2 x ShVAK), less crew,  less technologically refined than either He 111 and B-25, very versatile.

 

It doesn't seem to me, that the He 111 is a very obvious candidate to be the best.

Edited November 11, 2013 by Finkeren

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

What did Professor heinkel say about that?  

 

"They became reliable, proven and easily maintained [/size]worker-bees for the [/size]Luftwaffe bomber units. Even though, after 1941, they had been technically superseded and, above all were hampered by their lack of range..and, despite repeated modifications, could not be given the additional range required-there was really no substitute for them."[/size]

 

It kinda sounds like he disagrees with you.[/size]

You are mistaken. Heinkel 111 was a medium bomber not a strategic long range bomber like americans B17, 24 and 29.

It was fitted with V-1s, because that was one of the few things it was still good at doing in 1944, and in so doing they had to fly at extremely low altitude to avoid being picked up by Allied interceptors.

 

Night flying v1 launch plataform makes He111 a even more special and distinguished career.

The He-111 H-6, which we're getting in BoS, had (according to Wikipedia) up to 7 × 7.92 mm MG 15 or MG 81 machine guns, (2 in the nose, 1 in the dorsal, 2 in the side, 2 in the ventral) some of them replaced or augmented by

1 × 20 mm MG FF cannon (central nose mount or forward ventral position)

1 × 13 mm MG 131 machine gun (mounted dorsal and/or ventral rear positions)

If an La-5 get's on my tail when I'm flying one, I'm bailing out. I can't shoot down a Belenheim with two 7.92 mm MG 15s in a Bf-109, so I won't stand a chance with one for each angle against fast-moving cannon-armed La-5s.

The La5 pilot need to stay plenty of time behind a He111 to shot it down. If La5 pilot stay there, his family is going to receive a letter from defense minister from USSR thanking for his services.

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

Have to smirk at this post where the signature shows a He111 but is flying for JG2 - thats a new one that a He 111 belonged to a fighter unit!

Well if you did a wee bit of reading you would find out that next to all german bomber squadrons fased out the He111 and replaced it with the Ju 88. Now why do you think they would do that? Because the He 111 is better?

Almost every bomber squadron was fased out because Germany was loosing the war and needed to focus in fighter production and fuel saving. Did you read that book?!