Felix58 Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 Without doubt, the bf 110. But I have grown very fond of the MC202 much to my surprise and am looking forward to the P40.
Steambat Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 I think that is true. The Spitfire is beautiful in the manner of breasts and thighs whereas the 109 is beautiful like a gun. +1 That said it's the P40 for me and the JU88 followed by the Me 110.
=38=Tatarenko Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 I'm looking at it from a different perspective - which planes will give us something new and change the game experience? On the Russian side the new versions of the IL-2 and Pe-2 clearly won't do that. I expect the P-40 to be much like the LaGG-3 and the Mig-3 to be a good deal less exciting than people expect performance wise. The F2 will beat it at everything. Having said that, it will be gorgeous to fly because it's beautiful and I'm really looking forward to it. I just can't see people flying it much after a while. I think the most exciting Russian plane is the I-16, completely different to the existing stable and a lot of fun in ground attack or stuka attack but rightly suffering in fighter/fighter combat. On the German side the F2 is more of the same, the E7 will be an interesting and attractive addition. The Macchi frankly does nothing for me at all. I think the Ju-88 and Bf-110E will bring big changes in some scenarios. For example in the current airbase raid mission on the DED servers the Russian normally win pretty easily by using Pe-2's as fast attack, whereas the Heinkel doesn't cut it so the Germans generally resort to 190's with a smaller payload. The 88 and 110 will go a long way to evening the playing field for strike missions.
6./ZG26_5tuka Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) Definetly the Bf-110 and Mig-3. As for the 110 it all depends on what kinds of loadouts it will get. Being a very modular ground attacker ("Schlachtflugzeug") in reality it was very versatile and could be equiped for various ground support roles. I hope we will also see this versatility ingame with various bomb and gun pod options. The Mig-3 is definetly a beauty to look ahead to. Elegant, beautyfull cockpit view, nimble and at least a little quicker than the Lagg-3 it might have some suprise to offer to those underestimating it. Still I fear it will be treated as an outsider compared to the Yak and thus not used that much similar to the Lagg-3. Edited September 9, 2015 by Stab/JG26_5tuka 1
=38=Tatarenko Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 I know the old IL-2 flight models weren't perfect but I do remember successfully running away from a Messer at high altitude in a Mig-3ud. They were built as a high altitude interceptor but of course the nature of the war and weather meant they were often used at 2000m or similar with rocket rails where of course they won't be much good. We shall see. Of all the planes the I-16 is my favourite but of the unreleased I'd say the Mig-3 and the 110.
6./ZG26_Emil Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 Bf-109F2 for me. You like to tickle the VVS?
-TBC-AeroAce Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 Defo the 88. Can't wait to have German equivalent of the pe-2 which will be a game changer. I could not care less for another similar type such as 109
Matt Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 Being a very modular ground attacker ("Schlachtflugzeug") in reality it was very versatile and could be equiped for various ground support roles. I hope we will also see this versatility ingame with various bomb and gun pod options. Did the E-2 already have gun pods options? In any case, it should have a good variety of different bombloads and should be pretty good in the ground-attack role and it might actually be capable of defending itself against the BoM fighters. I think it will be very popular.
-TBC-AeroAce Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) Nothing against similar types ...... Especially with luft as they generally had less overall types but various marks of each compared to the allies. And I know they all have their quirks. All I meant is that's not really what I'm looking forward to most lol Edited September 9, 2015 by [TBC]AeroACE
VBF-12_Stele Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 P-40 all the way! It was the first plane I fell in love with back in the old Il2 days. When I was frustrated with the sim, I remember saying to myself that I would choose one plane and know it well. She taught me the ropes of general aviation and she'll have a special place in my heart.
6./ZG26_5tuka Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) Did the E-2 already have gun pods options? Unfortunately I have no data for it. I know that at some point the 110 could carry various gunpods (2x Mg151, 1x 3,7cm, 1x3cm, 4x7,92mm) but I'm not 100% sure the E-models could. One model of the C series has been tested with a MK101 gunpod by the time of the Battle of Britan so I'm confident they offered similar options for the E-series. Edited September 9, 2015 by Stab/JG26_5tuka
No601_Swallow Posted September 9, 2015 Posted September 9, 2015 But the MkV isn't the prettiest. That goes to the beautiful, most pretty WWII aircraft of all, the Spitfire MkI. Tom, you do know we'll quote you on that...
III/JG2Gustav05 Posted September 10, 2015 Posted September 10, 2015 MiG-3, no contest. The most beautiful aircraft design ever. I wonder how its max dive speed is going to be modeled? JU88 for me.
von_Tom Posted September 10, 2015 Posted September 10, 2015 Tom, you do know we'll quote you on that... Teehee I'm sure you will! But it is the most beautiful and pretty aircraft, and you can see the carry over from the 1930's design of sweeping curves and no straight lines anywhere. Gimme the A4 any day though. I was going on to compare aircraft to women (Spit I to Audrey Hepburn - beautiful, feminine but delicate) but I got bogged down in trying to pick one to match the FW. von Tom
Dakpilot Posted September 10, 2015 Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) I have to say personally that am looking forward to all of them with no real favourites, so far the I-16 and Mc 202 have surprised me in a good way, The thought of the Mig 3 reminds me of the anticipation from all the way back to DD#5 and the flight and interview with test pilot Vladimir Barsuk, this still from the actual flight test looks like it could be an in game one **EDIT** oops that pic did not come out well, check the vid at about 7:10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wTZjYGyl-4 Cheers Dakpilot Edited September 10, 2015 by Dakpilot
beepee Posted September 10, 2015 Posted September 10, 2015 Mine are Ju-88 and Bf-110. Simply cant wait for them :D +100!
LLv34_Vellu Posted September 10, 2015 Posted September 10, 2015 Absolutely Ju-88. I hope that this instrument has been simulated correctly.
BlitzPig_EL Posted September 10, 2015 Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) P 40. If/when I come back to flying again, it will be because of this aircraft. Be sure. Edited September 10, 2015 by BlitzPig_EL 3
6./ZG26_McKvack Posted September 11, 2015 Author Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) Absolutely Ju-88. I hope that this instrument has been simulated correctly. stuvi3.jpg What is that? Looks like a regular sight to me Edited September 11, 2015 by McKvack
Gunsmith86 Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 What is that? Looks like a regular sight to me The Stuvi 5B was a German bombsight used for computing dive bombing release angles for the many aircraft that used it. The BZA-1 was an analogue computer that automatically entered the airspeed and altitude into the Stuvi 5B, rather than needing the pilot to adjust it. The Stuvi 5B was used on dive bombers, such as the Ju-87D, Ju-88 A-4/5, Do 217, He-177, Me-410 A-1 and B-1, and possibly other aircraft. The BZA-1 was added only to larger duel engine aircraft (Due to weight and size restrictions) such as the Ju-88 A-4/5, Do 217, He-177 and Me-410.
Y-29.Silky Posted September 11, 2015 Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) P 40. If/when I come back to flying again, it will be because of this aircraft. Be sure. You know those people you see in MP everyday who never fly anything but the Bf-109? Well, that's going to be me in my P-40! What I would do for the Pe-3 though with that x1 20mm, I'm shocked it's not included! Battle of Moscow was it's only shining glory! Edited September 12, 2015 by Y-29.Silky
RAY-EU Posted September 12, 2015 Posted September 12, 2015 P-40 vs Bf-109 F2 and Bf-109 E 4 from BOM . and The best are SpitFire MKV and Ford Mustang VS Fw 190 A9 and FW 190 Dora ... or ... FW 190 TA ... & Messersmith 262 b1 Overall .
avlSteve Posted September 12, 2015 Posted September 12, 2015 It's a coin flip between the Mig-3 and Ju-88.
bivalov Posted September 12, 2015 Posted September 12, 2015 (edited) all of them, of course. but, maybe, except of Ju 88 (A-4 is strictly bomber, but i will try him for fun and interest), Pe-2 (apart of fast raids on targets, especially in 1941 etc., it's also just fast bomber with lack of firepower, although, he also could get rockets) and Macchi 202 (just because it's a bit peculiar fighter, especially, for EF-41/42, but i could be very mistaken, and anyway it's will be interesting). What I would do for the Pe-3 though with that x1 20mm, I'm shocked it's not included! Battle of Moscow was it's only shining glory! all very simple - almost all Pe-2s from BOS in RL were equipped with M-105PA, meanwhile, in BOS we got version with M-105PF (btw, and with 10xROS-132, which were used exactly in BOM). so, without early Pe-2 with M-105PA, we just can't play in historically correct BOM. and i don't know, it is mistake, optimisation for BOS or what, but that's we will get in total........ moreover, i also want soviet heavy fighter for raids, but personally i not sure that during BOM were used lot of Pe-3s, especially, as day-fighters............ Edited September 12, 2015 by bivalov
Nil Posted September 12, 2015 Posted September 12, 2015 The continuation of this sim, until I have my P-38! (and can join the allies with no regrets)
-TBC-AeroAce Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 So do we know which of the many 88 variants we are getting??? The later marks did not have dive breaks for example.....
SYN_Ricky Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 So do we know which of the many 88 variants we are getting??? The later marks did not have dive breaks for example..... For the Battle of Moscow I guess we should get the A-4 variant.
Finkeren Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 So do we know which of the many 88 variants we are getting??? The later marks did not have dive breaks for example..... We're getting the A4, it says so on the preorder page. A4 means that it really should have dive brakes, but honestly from the profile drawing it looks like there are no dive brakes (they are visible on the drawing of the Pe-2) But then again, the profile drawing of the MiG-3 showed an early production version, and we're getting the MiG-3ud, so who knows? Maybe the brakes will come as an unlock? (even though it really should be the other way around)
-TBC-AeroAce Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 Hmm ok. So this mark had rounded wing tips as an upgrade JOY lol Also wiki says that mark had weak wings that wound break in dive bombing. I wonder if this will be a factor ??? :-0
F/JG300_Gruber Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) I wouldn't put too much trust into wiki for those kind of details. However, even there you can read : As a dive bomber, the Ju 88 was capable of pinpoint deliveries of heavy loads; however, despite all the modifications, dive bombing still proved too stressful for the airframe, and in 1943, tactics were changed so that bombs were delivered from a shallower, 45° diving angle. Aircraft and bomb sights were accordingly modified and dive brakes were removed. So the A4 variant we are getting by the time of BoM should definitely have dive brakes I just hope that drawings are just drawings, and that we are not getting a second pure level bomber. Edited September 14, 2015 by F/JG300_Gruber
Jade_Monkey Posted September 14, 2015 Posted September 14, 2015 P-40 vs Bf-109 F2 and Bf-109 E 4 from BOM . and The best are SpitFire MKV and Ford Mustang VS Fw 190 A9 and FW 190 Dora ... or ... FW 190 TA ... & Messersmith 262 b1 Overall . Ford mustang???
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