Noob-friendly server?

[Milopapa]

Hi,

So I've been flying around offline for a while now and enjoying it immensely. After practicing with progressively better skilled AI (got to Ace eventually) I thought I'd try the multiplayer experience.

This turned out to be extremely frustrating as the moment I enter a fight, I get bounced by the enemy and usually shredded to pieces within a few seconds.

I kept trying and trying with different tactics (waiting for teammates, BnZ-ingn etc) - without any feeling of success.

 

I'm not new to flight sims, in fact I've been on and off the original IL2 series for the last 8 years or so. I really like the improved flight model and the fact it's a lot closer to what I imagine reality to be (=more difficult).

 

Yet because of the recent MP experience I'm now at the point of giving up entirely and acknowledging that multiplayer in this game is for pros only and there is no online learning curve.

 

Is it the server, the player base, me?

 

I'm just sad that this is going to scare away newcomers similar to me and eventually all you'll have is a few hardcore players who spend 40+ hours a week in the sim.

 

Any thoughts?

 

[Leaf]

Time zone and preferred language?

You'll find some very nice folks on the official teamspeak channel, I'm sure we can help! ..or at least find you a wingman which increases your chances of survival considerably.

[SAG]

I am in no way a Pro (not by a long shot) and fly MP almost  exclusively. i get my kills and love bombing high level

 

MP is not for people who spend 40+ a week on the game, dont be discouraged by this. id say that the hardest thing for people coming in from SP to MP is getting used to things being UNPREDICTABLE at all times in contrast with the linear nature of the campaign.

 

so keep you eyes peeled all the time, Check six every 2 minutes (not kidding), AND....

 

 

as leaf said before me, TRY AND  GET A WINGMAN! it doesnt have to be the same guy all the time, get on the official TS and see who is online and jump into a flight with him!

 

 

I wouldnt say there is such thing as a "noob-friendly server" per se, but there are a LOT (and by that i mean most pilots i know/play with) of pilots who wont mind the company and will be equally happy to have a wingman! so:

 

 

Get on Comms....

Get a Wingman....

Check six every 2 minutes!

 

 

im personally on the offcial TS on the allied side, on saturdays with some other friends (that i met through BoS) trying to fly as a unit this is at around (GMT -5 )1:00

pm. or i pop up for my daily sortie every now and then during the week whenever i can

[Wulf]

MP can indeed be most frustrating.  I've been playing it on and off (mostly on) for year and yet I still get kicked to death on a very regular basis.  I usually get the worst kicking's when, once in a while, I actually start to imagine that I'm getting the hang of things then WHAM, endless death.  Everyone dies on MP.

 

If you fly on your own (never a great idea but probably what most people do) I'd suggest you start on (or stay on) 'Normal' servers because it's helpful to be in a position to know where the enemy is.  Fly from one of the air start bases away from the action and only enter a combat zone when you are at altitude (somewhere between say 3-6 k) .  Without getting overly focussed on this (we're here to fight, after all not run away), you ideally want to be at a higher altitude than the enemy (about 1500 meters is good). This altitude advantage is very important because it makes you 'safe' (always a relative term in MP) and allows you to trade your height for speed.   So, enter the combat zone (where all the little red planes are on the radar map) at altitude and then look for a victim below you.  You can use any plane for this type of combat although some are possibly a little better suited than others.  Get roughly above your target, set your trim for dive speed, check your six one last time and dive (try and find someone in a climbing state because they are getting slower as you are getting faster).  Don't dive so fast that it precludes maneuver.  Take a shot if one presents itself then stay straight (i.e. don't attempt to follow your target into his defensive turn) and climb.  If there are no threatening enemy aircraft repeat your attacks until you kill him.  However, be prepared to break off if another enemy threatens.  If you come under attack, (because you failed to notice a closing enemy) dive away in the direction of your team members and hope one or other of them clears your tail .  If that fails, fly to your base and hope that  the flak does the business.  Good luck.

[=FI=Rambo]

As others said team speak is a great way to lose frustration when flying in multiplayer. I have found that I am usually more focused when I have a wingman to look after and to keep me company on long flights.

[Alkyan]

Also, which plane do you fly? Yack can be challenging at start to fly in MP, especially alone. I'll recommend you to start with the 109 F4 and fly high. And once you are better move to other planes of your liking.

[Finkeren]

MP at the moment is ruthless, simply because most people who fly online now have been at it for a long time. Whenever I jump into MP after a hiatus, I experience the very same thing yyou do now. Many people online are such good shots (and sometimes good pilots as well) that they exploit every single mistake you make.

 

I actually miss the fun and easy going way of the New Wings servers back in Rise of Flight. Full of people having a good time and helping each other out. Maybe it's the increased speed that does it, but it really seems like noone has time for something like that in BoS, and the New Wings server is mostly depopulated. 

[Milopapa]

Thanks for all the great answers, they are all really helpful. Good to hear I'm not alone

(Btw, this topic just reinforced my previous impression that the community here and in-game is exceptional.)

 

@19te.Leaf

I mostly play around 10pm CET. English is my preferred language. I'll join a TS next time I'm online - see how it goes Lone wolfing definitely doesn't work.

 

@Alkyan

I'm from Hungary, so this means I mostly fly Axis for historical reasons. BoS is no different, the F4 is my favourite plane - a perfect balance of power and maneauverability in the BF109 series.

 

@SAG, @Wulf

Wow, thanks for taking the time for such an exhausting answer - I'll probably print a shortened version and stick it up on the wall next to my monitor

 

 

As a sidenote, based on these I still have a feeling that there is no beginner-friendly environment online, you gotta prepare for the worst. Seems there are always at least 2-3 aces around who will mercilessly punish you for every single mistake your make.

Sure, some of these will help and I'll do my best to get better but sadly it looks like I won't be able to attract less dedicated friends to come along.

Some people get motivated by the challenge, some will just get turned off.

 

The learning curve could be much shallower if only there was a "noob friendly" server where newcomers could practice basic procedures (like you described) without having to go through all of this frustration.

One day I might create one Only thing is how do you define noob and then again, I won't be able to be around 24/7 to balance things out.

 

[Milopapa]

MP at the moment is ruthless, simply because most people who fly online now have been at it for a long time. Whenever I jump into MP after a hiatus, I experience the very same thing yyou do now. Many people online are such good shots (and sometimes good pilots as well) that they exploit every single mistake you make.

 

I actually miss the fun and easy going way of the New Wings servers back in Rise of Flight. Full of people having a good time and helping each other out. Maybe it's the increased speed that does it, but it really seems like noone has time for something like that in BoS, and the New Wings server is mostly depopulated. 

 

Wow that mirrors my feelings exactly. Just the other day I started flying RoF and boy, what a difference. I agree it's probably the speed - you have a lot more time to think and plan, and also gunnery is easier as you go closer (again mostly due to the reduced speed).

 

The overall point - I'm having a lot more fun in RoF (even when getting shot down) that in BoS. Feels like I have a chance.

 

Trouble is, while I enjoy the doppeldeckers, WWII is really my thing. One of my earliest exposures to military aviation was a series of stories by a Hungarian pilot called Tibor Tobak, who recalled his time (as well as other Hungarian fighters' and bombers') during the Eastern Front and '44. I've just read them all again (in no part inspired by BoS) and that feels like the place I want to be.

I'm just not sure if others have the same kind of dedication and knowing how special the flight sim genre is, I feel the MP experience does'nt help adoption and overall success of the sim.

[Finkeren]

We are very much alike I think. I'd definately want to fly with you at some point (propably as an adversary - I mostly fly for the Soviets)

 

Mind you: I have flown BoS on-and-off since the very start of early acces, and I'm still having a hard time whenever I return to the game.

 

Maybe there should be made an effort to actually gather some people who are new or rusty to train together and have fun on one of the many empty servers?

[=EXPEND=Dendro]

MP is ruthless.... there are a few guys that can destroy you multiple times in a single session.

 

Best to start on Normal server and gain experience staying alive..... then go for kills and try not dying. Normal gives you many, many engagements with human pilots that AI cannot ever compare with.

 

Also record the engagements and watch carefully what your opponent is doing and how he gets an advantage, it is a really great way to learn.

[Milopapa]

Best to start on Normal server and gain experience staying alive..... then go for kills and try not dying. Normal gives you many, many engagements with human pilots that AI cannot ever compare with.

 

Also record the engagements and watch carefully what your opponent is doing and how he gets an advantage, it is a really great way to learn.

 

Excellent suggestions. I wonder if there is a similar sticky anywhere - I might compile these into a "Online dogfighting for dummies" guide

Edited September 7, 2015 by Milopapa

[Milopapa]

My summary so far

 

Facts:

• MP for beginners is ruthless - people with lots of experience will make short work of noobs
• It takes a lot of practice even for people with some experience to pick up the pace of online dogfighting
• Repeated failure can be discouraging for newcomers - less fun than expected

Suggestions (credit to everyone posting on this thread):

• Join a Teamspeak channel for help, guidance and wingmen
• Get a wingman or at least stick to somebody
• Stay out of the frenzy initially, observe from a distance - just try to stay alive
• Collect some altitude away from the frontlines and follow a boom-and-zoom approach: trade your altitude for speed, dive onto an enemy but instead of chasing and burning up your energy, climb back to altitude to set up your next attack run
• Stick to easier planes in the beginning (such as the BF109 F-4)
• Record the engagement, watch the replays

Did I miss anything?

 

Btw - how long can you edit a post here? No way to update OP?

Edited September 7, 2015 by Milopapa

[SR-F_Winger]

Hi,

So I've been flying around offline for a while now and enjoying it immensely. After practicing with progressively better skilled AI (got to Ace eventually) I thought I'd try the multiplayer experience.

This turned out to be extremely frustrating as the moment I enter a fight, I get bounced by the enemy and usually shredded to pieces within a few seconds.

I kept trying and trying with different tactics (waiting for teammates, BnZ-ingn etc) - without any feeling of success.

 

I'm not new to flight sims, in fact I've been on and off the original IL2 series for the last 8 years or so. I really like the improved flight model and the fact it's a lot closer to what I imagine reality to be (=more difficult).

 

Yet because of the recent MP experience I'm now at the point of giving up entirely and acknowledging that multiplayer in this game is for pros only and there is no online learning curve.

 

Is it the server, the player base, me?

 

I'm just sad that this is going to scare away newcomers similar to me and eventually all you'll have is a few hardcore players who spend 40+ hours a week in the sim.

 

Any thoughts?

Hi, first of all welcome to the sim.

One thing up front. The learningcurve is SOOOO steep. And there is no way around becoming frustrated. This is simply because there are so many people flying online that are trained for hours every day since the release of the sim and are flying combat flightsims since years (some since decades). They know their planes inside out and exactly know all dos and donts and are extremely good shots.

One more thing i can promise you. It WILL take time to become successful in MP, but its sooooo rewarding once you become successful and there is no doubt you WILL become successfull if you train hard enough.

 

Here are some tips:

 

Get Track IR or other headtrackingsuolution.

Go ahead and find some friends to fly with (Wingman).

Use Teamspeak (This is a MUST HAVE).

Train

Train some more

Train even more

Every day

Use the strengths of your plane - Maybe find a squad with experienced people. They will be able to tell you the dos and donts of each plane.

Currently the DED normal server is the best place to gain skill fast. Many encounters in high frequency. Plenty of oportunity to train to shoot with lead.

And the most important tip: Stay with it - ITS WORTH IT:)

 

Again: WELCOME!

Edited September 7, 2015 by JG4_Winger

[Finkeren]

I agree with what you summarised anyway. It seems the way to go.

• Stay out of the frenzy initially, observe from a distance - just try to stay alive

 

I wanna emphasise this, because it really is the most important point. It's all about the perspective in your head. Try to treat every sortie where you land safely as a tremendous succes and every sortie where you die or bail out as a failure, even if you scored multiple kills on that flight. For starters it's all about keeping that 'death score' at zero. Don't be afraid to disengage and run from a fight either (should be easy enough since you fly the Bf 109 F4) As soon as you don't feel like you're on top, get out. Your enemies might hate you for it, but hey: You're not trying to please them.

 

Btw - how long can you edit a post here? No way to update OP?

 

After the initial post you have 15 minutes where you can edit. After that it's locked and can't be changed except by a moderator. In cases where it's very important to change something to avoid misinformation or giving a completely wrong impression, you can ask a moderator to edit it for you, though I don't think that's necessary here.

[SR-F_Winger]

 

 

should be easy enough since you fly the Bf 109 F4

 

This can be argued against. Try to outrun a LA-5 on treetop when being co. E and alt.

Mainly russian flying people will always tell you the german planes are OP and vice versa. So always take such advices with a grain of salt and make your own observations online!!

[Finkeren]

This can be argued against. Try to outrun a LA-5 on treetop when being co. E and alt.

Mainly russian flying people will always tell you the german planes are OP and vice versa. So always take such advices with a grain of salt and make your own observations online!!

 

Why would you try to outrun him at treetop altitude? Just climb and watch the poor bloke fall helplessly behind.

 

BTW: I'm not saying the German planes are overpowered. They are higher performing, with heavier armament and generally more pleasant to fly (especially at high speeds) but they behave pretty much as I'd expect and their advantages over the Soviet fighters are well within the framework of a historical 1942 scenario. 

Edited September 7, 2015 by Finkeren

[Finkeren]

Noooo, please not a plane/FM whinge on here!

 

Don't worry. Winger took this to a PM. There won't be a long discussion here. 

[Milopapa]

Just checking back in to say thanks to everyone. Will try putting this to practice later this week (kids are sick  ).

[=EXPEND=Dendro]

Also Milo.... watch Youtube vids of the best pilots and how they get their kills.... I feature as cannon fodder on their vids quite a bit  .... You will notice how they always keep speed up and use all the sky and physics at their disposal to get the tightest turns at the best speed to get an advantage. It really is an eye opener to see how they squeeze in some of their shots and how seldom they miss...... its quite scary.

 

MK MrX ...... https://www.youtube.com/user/Semashko27

 

=FB= Arhangel ...... https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPFOPBoppeF70z4kX465YLg

 

Duels.......

[Milopapa]

This might be a noob question but where is the official TS server?

I tried this, but it's almost completely empty:

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/4802-official-teamspeak-server-bos-mp-now/

[SAG]

There arent always people there. Try different PrimeTimes. Thats the TS where i lurk on saturdays.

 

If WoL is completwly full chances are there are some peoole there!

 

S!

[LLv24_Zami]

Also Milo.... watch Youtube vids of the best pilots and how they get their kills.... I feature as cannon fodder on their vids quite a bit  .... You will notice how they always keep speed up and use all the sky and physics at their disposal to get the tightest turns at the best speed to get an advantage. It really is an eye opener to see how they squeeze in some of their shots and how seldom they miss...... its quite scary.

 

MK MrX ...... https://www.youtube.com/user/Semashko27

 

After watching this video, opening the canopy and looking around with much better view is a little bit too easy. Wasn`t there a restriction for popping head out of canopy at high speeds?

[Sokol1]

.... watch Youtube vids of the best pilots and how they get their kills.... 

 

MK MrX ...... https://www.youtube.com/user/Semashko27

 

=FB= Arhangel ...... https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPFOPBoppeF70z4kX465YLg

 

 

 

 

And these "master" pilots eventually "hunt" in normal servers (or WT) - so no secure "noob-friendly-server". 

[Willy__]

 

 

After watching this video, opening the canopy and looking around with much better view is a little bit too easy. Wasn`t there a restriction for popping head out of canopy at high speeds?

 

There is. I read in other topic about it, there are different kind of restrictions related to the speed, 300-400-500 km/h, iirc corretly. IMHO, I think that spotting that way is a little bit too easy too. I have a very hard time with the 109 cannopy!

[LLv24_Zami]

There is. I read in other topic about it, there are different kind of restrictions related to the speed, 300-400-500 km/h, iirc corretly. IMHO, I think that spotting that way is a little bit too easy too. I have a very hard time with the 109 cannopy!

 

They should make restrictions even tighter to prevent that. It looks pretty unrealistic IMO.

[Livai]

 

 

This turned out to be extremely frustrating as the moment I enter a fight, I get bounced by the enemy and usually shredded to pieces within a few seconds. I kept trying and trying with different tactics (waiting for teammates, BnZ-ingn etc) - without any feeling of success.

 

Indeed, AI for testing tactics or how to escape nothing works. Feeling of success comes from alone. I feel my success after I shot down more than 8 planes with a simple Game controller on a Normal Server. If I am able to shot down more than 8 planes with 10 frame per seconds what happend if I play with 60 frame per second + Ultra Settings and with Hotas + TrackIR ---> The Best Training to be a ACE!!!.  I did fly Expert had problems to track my enemy. I think thats because I play Multiplayer only on Low Settings. Not a big problem. Maybe someday I manage to get better Equipment.

[Finkeren]

They should make restrictions even tighter to prevent that. It looks pretty unrealistic IMO.

 

Here is a video of a 1946 wind tunnel test on a human pilot:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU4SDDNXuUA

 

From that I'd say that it should definately be posible (if unpleasant) to stick your head out of the cockpit at 300 - 400 km/h. We are talking around 120lb/foot² of pressure, which most people's neck muscles should be able to endure (a human head is pretty aerodynamically shaped and a good deal less than a square foot in area, so you'd only feel a fraction of the 120lb force)

 

Above 400 km/h it should become increasingly difficult approaching next to imposible (not to mention dangerous) around 600 km/h.

 

I think the way BoS models it is pretty close.

Edited September 11, 2015 by Finkeren

[LLv24_Zami]

Here is a video of a 1946 wind tunnel test on a human pilot:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU4SDDNXuUA

 

From that I'd say that it should definately be posible (if unpleasant) to stick your head out of the cockpit at 300 - 400 km/h. We are talking around 120lb/foot² of pressure, which most people's neck muscles should be able to endure (a human head is pretty aerodynamically shaped and a good deal less than a square foot in area, so you'd only feel a fraction of the 120lb force)

 

Above 400 km/h it should become increasingly difficult approaching next to imposible (not to mention dangerous) around 600 km/h.

 

I think the way BoS models it is pretty close.

 

Of course it is possible stick your head out. But it s another question is it possible to look around flying at high altitudes in extremely cold conditions like Mk MrX is doing in that video. I think not. Even sticking your head out from a car driving 100km/hr is not very pleasant.

 

Was that method used historically? If so then it is okay but I don`t remember anyone mentioning that he constantly closed and opened cockpit to check his six.

Edited September 11, 2015 by Zami

[Finkeren]

Of course it is possible stick your head out. But it s another question is it possible to look around flying at high altitudes in extremely cold conditions like Mk MrX is doing in that video. I think not. Even sticking your head out from a car driving 100km/hr is not very pleasant.

 

Was that method used historically? If so then it is okay but I don`t remember anyone mentioning that he constantly closed and opened cockpit to check his six.

 

Historically it was extremely common in the VVS to fly with an open canopy (or sometimes even the entire sliding part of the canopy removed) This was done not so much to improve the view but because pilots feared not being able to open the canopy in an emergency. Soviet fighters generally had no emergency release or a way to blow off the canopy, you had to open it by hand, something that often proved har or imposible to do at high speeds. On the La-5 it has been said to have been done to improve ventilation because exhaust gasses leaked into the cockpit, don't know if it's true or not. I honestly don't think the cold would be that much a problem, because of the short period of exposure (you obviously don't stick your head outside the canopy and keep it there for any more than a short glance)

 

From Italian fighter pilots however, we do know, that some of them considered an enclosed cockpit extremely restricting of their field of vision and prefered an open cockpit. The first Macchi C. 200 series had a semi-enclosed cockpit, which the pilots were extremely dissatisfied with, and it was quickly reverted to an open cockpit. Later the greater top speeds dictated that the newer italian designs had enclosed cockpits.

 

As to whether or not it was posible to look around: Well, that's what goggles are for. It's literally the only reason to wear them in a cockpit. 

Edited September 11, 2015 by Finkeren

[LLv24_Zami]

Historically it was extremely common in the VVS to fly with an open canopy (or sometimes even the entire sliding part of the canopy removed) This was done not so much to improve the view but because pilots feared not being able to open the canopy in an emergency. Soviet fighters generally had no emergency release or a way to blow off the canopy, you had to open it by hand, something that often proved har or imposible to do at high speeds. On the La-5 it has been said to have been done to improve ventilation because exhaust gasses leaked into the cockpit, don't know if it's true or not. I honestly don't think the cold would be that much a problem, because of the short period of exposure (you obviously don't stick your head outside the canopy and keep it there for any more than a short glance)

 

From Italian fighter pilots however, we do know, that some of them considered an enclosed cockpit extremely restricting of their field of vision and prefered an open cockpit. The first Macchi C. 200 series had a semi-enclosed cockpit, which the pilots were extremely dissatisfied with, and it was quickly reverted to an open cockpit. Later the greater top speeds dictated that the newer italian designs had enclosed cockpits.

 

As to whether or not it was posible to look around: Well, that's what goggles are for. It's literally the only reason to wear them in a cockpit. 

 

I`m still not buying it was that easy as in that video. He`s yanking canopy back and forth all the time and sticking his head out for a quite long time. And in the middle of the combat. I understand that whole canopy is removed or it is put to the back position before flight. And shouldn`t there be a notable speed penalty for flying with open cockpit. I know italians preferred open canopy after they were used to that in biplanes. But that video just looks ridiculous and unrealistic to me.

 

And I think you underestimate the effects of freezing temperatures. It affects drastically all on ground and I would imagine in the air also. If you have -20 degrees of celsius and wind blowing it is really freezing even to walk around. And that is a mild temperature here in some winters. Not to mention a fighter plane at high speeds and altitudes where it is multiplied. I have the impression that the Stalingrad was not much warmer place in winter in those days.

 

And I know that there were goggles, germans had them too even they didn`t usually fly with open canopy.

 

If you have any other sources than that wind tunnel video for VVS yanking the canopy back and forth, I would like to see them.

Edited September 11, 2015 by Zami

[Finkeren]

I`m still not buying it was that easy as in that video. He`s yanking canopy back and forth all the time and sticking his head out for a quite long time. And in the middle of the combat. I understand that whole canopy is removed or it is put to the back position before flight.

 

If you have any other sources than that wind tunnel video for VVS yanking the canopy back and forth, I would like to see them.

 

Unfortunately that's the price we pay for having the otherwise realistic option of opening and closing canopies in BoS: Some people are gonna use it ahistorically. It's the same thing with fighting flaps down (here I'm not talking about the Yak-1s flaps down behavior - people use it on other planes as well)

 

And shouldn`t there be a notable speed penalty for flying with open cockpit.

 

There is. It's about 15 - 30 km/h off the top speed depending on the plane. Acceleration is not affected very much, so in a dogfight you won't really notice the difference.

 

And I think you underestimate the effects of freezing temperatures. It affects drastically all on ground and I would imagine in the air also. If you have -20 degrees of celsius and wind blowing it is really freezing even to walk around. And that is a mild temperature here in some winters. Not to mention a fighter plane at high speeds and altitudes where it is multiplied. I have the impression that the Stalingrad was not much warmer place in winter in those days.

 

I didn't say it would be pleasant, but it wouldn't be dangerous either if you limit the time out in the airflow to a few seconds. In such low temperatures the air is very dry and therefore transport heat poorly, it's the same thing you experience in a sauna (if you've ever tried it, oh wait you're Finnish, nevermind  ) When the air is dry you can endure well over 100^oC with no trouble, but as soon as you pour water on those stones the heat becomes unbearable, even though the temperature actually drops significantly. It works the same way the other way around.

 

And I know that there were goggles, germans had them too even they didn`t usually fly with open canopy.

 

True, but they taxied with open canopy. Also, many of the German types of goggles were really small and puny compared to for instance British, American and Soviet ones and were mainly used as sunglasses and to keep dust out of the eyes when running the engine with open canopy on the ground.

[LLv24_Zami]

Unfortunately that's the price we pay for having the otherwise realistic option of opening and closing canopies in BoS: Some people are gonna use it ahistorically. It's the same thing with fighting flaps down (here I'm not talking about the Yak-1s flaps down behavior - people use it on other planes as well)

 

This was actually my point, it looked like cheating to me. And it is. But since I am a SP it doesn`t really bother me. AI doesn`t do that. I`ll leave it to that

 

 

I didn't say it would be pleasant, but it wouldn't be dangerous either if you limit the time out in the airflow to a few seconds. In such low temperatures the air is very dry and therefore transport heat poorly, it's the same thing you experience in a sauna (if you've ever tried it, oh wait you're Finnish, nevermind  ) When the air is dry you can endure well over 100^oC with no trouble, but as soon as you pour water on those stones the heat becomes unbearable, even though the temperature actually drops significantly. It works the same way the other way around.

 

 

I can`t take 100 degrees celsius in sauna no matter how dry it is. You must be a pretty serious bather

[Finkeren]

I can`t take 100 degrees celsius in sauna no matter how dry it is. You must be a pretty serious bather

 

I don't do saunas very often, but I've managed 110^oC without discomfort at all (and I'd wager you could do it too), provided the humidity was close to 0%. However, I had to get out once I poured water on the stove, because the air became scalding.  

 

Human beings have endured (not saying enjoyed) over 180^oC dry heat in experiments, so 110 won't do you any harm.

 

Sorry for off topic.

Edited September 11, 2015 by Finkeren

[Alkyan]

Opening the cockpit is going to alter the acceleration as well. I guess it just slightly changes the drag coefficient, therefore the drag force, therefore the acceleration.

 

I have to admit I use it all the time when I cruise in the yack.

 

Edit : pressure in lbs/foot2?! come on

Edited September 11, 2015 by Alkyan

[Sokol1]

Here is a video of a 1946 wind tunnel test on a human pilot:

 

Of course it is possible stick your head out.

 

Comparing with real life, the question is to do the amount of lean movement done be the virtual pilot - put the torso outside of the cockpit - a real pilot need be unstrapped, not a safety measure... or have a Giraffe neck.

[Gump]

Unfortunately that's the price we pay for having the otherwise realistic option of opening and closing canopies in BoS: Some people are gonna use it ahistorically. It's the same thing with fighting flaps down (here I'm not talking about the Yak-1s flaps down behavior - people use it on other planes as well)

 

...

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i may be misunderstanding you, but im pretty sure i heard some real WWII pilots saying they'd deploy flaps in a fight to enable tighter turns.

[216th_Peterla]

I use to open the canopy when in combat just to jump easy from the Lagg...but I use to have all the times the canopy open flying the IL2, it makes the idetifications easier and there is no notable speed loss. The only inconvenience is the armored panels that no longer protect you.

[Finkeren]

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i may be misunderstanding you, but im pretty sure i heard some real WWII pilots saying they'd deploy flaps in a fight to enable tighter turns.

 

It is not completely unknown, but generally it was used on planes that had a special 'combat flaps' setting, and it certainly wasn't used on planes with manual flaps (too slow and cumbersome) or two-position pneumatic or hydraulic flaps (too draggy at lower speeds and can easily be damaged at higher speeds)

 

In BoS I can only really see a justification for using flaps in combat on the Fw 190 (which actually had a useful setting for it) or the Lavochkin fighters (which had quickly deployable electrical flaps which can be set at any angle)

[-TBC-AeroAce]

I will go against the grain a little and say if you want to be good and get more fun out of it in the long run learn with a hard aircraft like lagg. I remember when the yak first came out, after flying the lagg the yak felt like a su35